Persephone wrote...
My guess is that the Viscount, nice guy or not (Rulers work that way), will hold on to things he doesn't have to return. Will or no, Gamlen gambled it away. So Hawke shortened the red tape and bought the place. Probably to please Leandra. I don't need everything spelled out there.
Galad22 wrote...
Persephone wrote...
My guess is that the Viscount, nice guy or not (Rulers work that way), will hold on to things he doesn't have to return. Will or no, Gamlen gambled it away. So Hawke shortened the red tape and bought the place. Probably to please Leandra. I don't need everything spelled out there.
It is still a plothole since it wasn't explained in any way. I am sure you can see that at least.
Persephone wrote...
At least? No, my explanation works for me just fine. Doesn't mean it has to work for you, of course.
Modifié par Galad22, 02 avril 2011 - 03:01 .
Galad22 wrote...
Persephone wrote...
At least? No, my explanation works for me just fine. Doesn't mean it has to work for you, of course.
Your explanation might work for you, but it is still a plothole, since your explanation has no basis on actual game.
You are just making stuff up.
Modifié par Persephone, 02 avril 2011 - 03:09 .
Persephone wrote...
No, I am just adding 2+2. For me, that makes sense and it works.
You want a glaring plothole?
Alistair thinking he is king and those plot flags firing if he is not. THAT is what I consider to be a plothole and glaring bug.
Want another?
Wasting weeks while a Blight is raging to find a mythical relic you don't even know will work. Yes. That makes a lot of sense. And don't tell me you need Eamon to do the LM. He is totally useless during the LM and Teagan could have rallied allies to call a LM just as well.
Modifié par Galad22, 02 avril 2011 - 03:15 .
Persephone wrote...
Galad22 wrote...
Persephone wrote...
At least? No, my explanation works for me just fine. Doesn't mean it has to work for you, of course.
Your explanation might work for you, but it is still a plothole, since your explanation has no basis on actual game.
You are just making stuff up.
No, I am just adding 2+2. For me, that makes sense and it works.
You want a glaring plothole?
Alistair thinking he is king and those plot flags firing if he is not. THAT is what I consider to be a plothole and glaring bug.
Want another?
Wasting weeks while a Blight is raging to find a mythical relic you don't even know will work let alone if it effin' EXISTS. Yes. That makes a lot of sense. And don't tell me you need Eamon to do the LM. He is totally useless during the LM and Teagan could have rallied allies to call a LM just as well.
Galad22 wrote...
Persephone wrote...
No, I am just adding 2+2. For me, that makes sense and it works.
You want a glaring plothole?
Alistair thinking he is king and those plot flags firing if he is not. THAT is what I consider to be a plothole and glaring bug.
Want another?
Wasting weeks while a Blight is raging to find a mythical relic you don't even know will work. Yes. That makes a lot of sense. And don't tell me you need Eamon to do the LM. He is totally useless during the LM and Teagan could have rallied allies to call a LM just as well.
I find it funny that you always go back to bashing DAO when someone is critical about DA2. DAO has no actual bearing to this conversation you know.
Edit. If you can rationalise this glaring plothole away, I am sure you can do the same for every other plothole there is.
Persephone wrote...
I'm not bashing DAO, merely using it as an example for what I consider to be a "glaring plothole". Or two. Or three. And in that case they cannot be explained away that easily, or can they?
Scottish90000 wrote...
Persephone wrote...
Galad22 wrote...
Persephone wrote...
At least? No, my explanation works for me just fine. Doesn't mean it has to work for you, of course.
Your explanation might work for you, but it is still a plothole, since your explanation has no basis on actual game.
You are just making stuff up.
No, I am just adding 2+2. For me, that makes sense and it works.
You want a glaring plothole?
Alistair thinking he is king and those plot flags firing if he is not. THAT is what I consider to be a plothole and glaring bug.
Want another?
Wasting weeks while a Blight is raging to find a mythical relic you don't even know will work let alone if it effin' EXISTS. Yes. That makes a lot of sense. And don't tell me you need Eamon to do the LM. He is totally useless during the LM and Teagan could have rallied allies to call a LM just as well.
But you are right in that this is certainly not the first game where bioware makes us fill in the blanks. Why didn't Teagan just take over the Arldom and commit the troops? I don't know, the game just forces the assumption that Eamon is so important that Fereldon can't be fixed without him.
Galad22 wrote...
Persephone wrote...
I'm not bashing DAO, merely using it as an example for what I consider to be a "glaring plothole". Or two. Or three. And in that case they cannot be explained away that easily, or can they?
Sure they can. Arl Eamon just is important enough that that potentially wasteful trip is important enough to do. There done, used exactly same logic you used.
I don't know what you mean about Alistair though, so I can't really comment on that.
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Galad22 wrote...
nicethugbert wrote...
And you ended up with a mansion and bribery works wonders in Kirkwall. Other games would give you the coin to buy a new super suit of badness and have you live under the stars.
And what do I do with a mansion exactly? It is not like anything ever happens there nor does it have any relevance to the game.
If I had been given choice whether to buy that mansion or not, I would have saved those sovereigns to buy some more swords or something. Besides that mansion was ours from the start, why did we have to buy it again? What happened about Leandra talking to Viscount about it. Nothing thats what, it was just forgotten.
Persephone wrote...
Well, IMO it makes just as much sense as going to the Circle to get the Mages for the ritual. Leaving an abomination to do as it pleases. After just having discovered how powerful it is. You can do loads of quests in the meantime and when you return to Redcliffe, the demon just spent those weeks/months doing...what? Taking a stroll through the Fade?
Galad22 wrote...
Persephone wrote...
Well, IMO it makes just as much sense as going to the Circle to get the Mages for the ritual. Leaving an abomination to do as it pleases. After just having discovered how powerful it is. You can do loads of quests in the meantime and when you return to Redcliffe, the demon just spent those weeks/months doing...what? Taking a stroll through the Fade?
This can also easily be explained in your way. They just chained connor to some statue, or drugged him to sleep while you were away.
Persephone wrote...
No, you did not. The game never explained why he and ONLY he is needed to call a Landsmeet. Were he the only Arl around, fine. But he is not. Kind of a MUCH bigger leap of logic.
As for Alistair: If you make Anora queen and kill Loghain, Alistair will still behave and be treated like he is king. Up to delivering his "Sacrificing myself is my duty as a king" speech.
Galad22 wrote...
Persephone wrote...
No, you did not. The game never explained why he and ONLY he is needed to call a Landsmeet. Were he the only Arl around, fine. But he is not. Kind of a MUCH bigger leap of logic.
As for Alistair: If you make Anora queen and kill Loghain, Alistair will still behave and be treated like he is king. Up to delivering his "Sacrificing myself is my duty as a king" speech.
Right, never explained. Look I agree that it is a plothole. But you can't use conjectures to explain some plotholes away and then not give other plotholes the same courtesy. It makes you look biased.
Persephone wrote...
There are plot holes and there are PLOT HOLES. The one we were discussing DA2 is so very minor, I don't see the problem.
The ones I mentioned are IMO way more WTF? and glaring. That's all I'm saying.
Galad22 wrote...
Persephone wrote...
There are plot holes and there are PLOT HOLES. The one we were discussing DA2 is so very minor, I don't see the problem.
The ones I mentioned are IMO way more WTF? and glaring. That's all I'm saying.
To you perhaps.
Persephone wrote...
That's kind of a given. But if you think that someone thinking he is king when he is not isn't more glaring and WTF than not explaining why Leandra (A nobody, why would the Viscount see her anyway?) was unsuccesful at getting the mansion back, fine.
Modifié par Galad22, 02 avril 2011 - 03:45 .
Galad22 wrote...
Persephone wrote...
That's kind of a given. But if you think that someone thinking he is king when he is not isn't more glaring and WTF than not explaining why Leandra (A nobody, why would the Viscount see her anyway?) was unsuccesful at getting the mansion back, fine.
This is most likely bug. Certainly sounds like one. Or do you disagree?
Persephone wrote...
No, it is not a bug. The correct dialogue isn't in the toolset either and Mods had to splice the King related dialogue out. So either it was never recorded at all or Bioware was super lazy.
Galad22 wrote...
Persephone wrote...
That's kind of a given. But if you think that someone thinking he is king when he is not isn't more glaring and WTF than not explaining why Leandra (A nobody, why would the Viscount see her anyway?) was unsuccesful at getting the mansion back, fine.
And Leandra is actually noblewoman, you know. Amells were fairly highly respected in Kirkwall.
Persephone wrote...
WERE. Now she is a penniless nobody, formerly married to an apostate living in Lowtown.
Modifié par Galad22, 02 avril 2011 - 03:51 .
Galad22 wrote...
Persephone wrote...
WERE. Now she is a penniless nobody, formerly married to an apostate living in Lowtown.
I really doubt you can lose noble status that easily. Sure she is poor, doesn't mean that she doesn't have noble blood.
Persephone wrote...
Look at Gamlen. Her brother who has just as much noble blood as she does.
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