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[Dragoonlordz]

gotthammer wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

Yeah, but many of you are talking out of your lower orifice.

Because clearly everyone else is wrong except you.

Psst. Don't feed that troll. 

Can't help it though, he looked so hungry the poor fella.

I couldn't stand Aveline tbh, she was always too high and mighty for my liking. Always coming down on me everytime I had a little fun (as opposed to going down on me). Plus maybe the freckles and ginger hair combined with bit chubby that put me off even (trying) to romance her. I could not get attached to my family in game because

(Spoiler)

one gets killed right away during combat tutorial, the other vanishs from game for quite along time, the last one spends all the time moping and being whiney too long by the end would have fed her to the ogre myself given the chance.

(end of spoiler)
 
Then again maybe the goal and personalilty of them was meant to tick me off, meh well if that was the case it worked but it's not something I would consider good choice because being ticked off tends to reflect in my enjoyment of game.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 01 avril 2011 - 12:37 .

[gotthammer]

^I do agree w/ the reviewer about her voice (but I did kinda like it too), but I did like Aveline (and also wished she were a romance option).

lol @ Emo Wolverine

[someon7x]

Sad but true

[Pandaman102]

I disagree about Aveline, but agree with everything else.

Amused that the blind fanboys ignored that the reviewer clarifies he's not saying DA2 is a bad game, just that it fails to meet the expectations that DA:O set, and they spin their wheels with their tired "You just want a DA:O clone!" ad hominem (which, by the by, isn't the same as hypocrisy for that certain person who doesn't know the difference).

[ransompendragon]

Haven't finished reading it yet but I really disagree that we have to be happy that a game has 40 hours of play time when so many others are 8 hours. That sounds like a symptom of some larger problem to me. If we are talking RPG's 40 hours is short.

The less people expect for their money the less they are going to get.

Modifié par ransompendragon, 01 avril 2011 - 01:32 .

[Jman5]

I can't say I agreed with everything the author had to say. I thought the plot twist with Anders at the end was tastefully crafted. I think Mr. Walker was just upset that his precious boyfriend betrayed him. (I don't mean in some condescending way. He picked a female who romanced Anders is all)

Also I disagree with his assessment about the conversation wheel and the main character being voiced. Both choices I thought were well done 99% of the time.

Other than that, I felt he was pretty spot on. I had never thought about the fact that you get thrown into the character at the start in a sort of haphazard way, but he is right in this regard. He talked about how it would have been nice to start in Lothering, but I think it would have been better to start even before that. Hawke, Carver, and Aveline are soldiers who fought at Ostigar. It would have been epic to start the game there. Then you could transition to Lothering and then move on to where DA2 actually started. It would have set your character's background up better and given you more time to connect to your family.

Modifié par Jman5, 01 avril 2011 - 01:37 .

[fastidiou5]

Absolutely spot-on, these are some of the points my friends and I have brought up while discussing the game. This game feels like an expansion or side story to the epic sprawling tale that Origins was. Being stuck in the one city and having a few dungeons that repeat with little bits moved around definitely kills the experience after a while. Haven't even been able to drag myself through to finish the game yet, although I'm very close (this is also due to the huge technical issues with the PC version). Bioware has fallen a bit in my eyes after this game, really hope they won't let me down with Mass Effect 3 and any future Dragon Age games.

Modifié par fastidiou5, 01 avril 2011 - 01:53 .

[Zurgas]

Pyrate_d wrote...

It's funny that DA2 was originally going to be DA: Exodus.

That makes more sense. The end of the article summed it up for me.
This isn't the successor to DAO in any sense, it's a story that takes place in the Dragon Age universe .
I don't think it's a bad game, it's a spinoff or side story, but not a 2.

[Ariella]

While I doubt I'll be as vitrolic as Hugbert, I do have my issues with the review.

First is the comment on Bioware's opening companions, especially Aveline and Ashley. I've always found Bioware's companions (with the one exception of the original NWN) to have personality, even if it is sometimes understated. Aveline was supposed to be strong, and I never found her voice robotic in the least. As for certain actions at the beginning where the writer seeemed to expect her to cry, not in Aveline's character especially in the situation that the party finds itself in. That she mourns later off screen, and that the actions of that moment have reperccusions don't seem to make it into the review

Second: The review does seem to boil down to: this isn't DAO2. Something I believe is unfair considering we've been told since practically the announcement of DA2 it was NOT going to be a straight up sequel. We were told that by Bioware at every turn, so to say:

Of course it’s impossible to come to Dragon Age II with such a clean
slate. Because at the very least, you’re expecting Dragon Age: Origins.

... is uninformed at best. And the idea that just because one puts a 2 behind the name means it's going to be a straight up sequel died with Final Fantasy, especially when the developer has been screaming from the rooftops that that wouldn't be the case. I can accept that DAO was beloved by many, especially considering I'm one of the many. However, I did listen closely to Bioware when they started talking about Dragon Age 2. Originally a felt a small disappointment about this Hawke, but when it was confirmed I could play a female, I perked up. After that, I listened even more closely, and saw Bioware wanted to tell a different story in the DA universe in a different way. By the time DA2 went gold, I was ready to judge it on its own merits, rather than comparing it against DAO.

There are imperical problems: bugs and the overuse of same maps. Which I think are fair complaints, but I also believe that The Dragon Age is not going to be about one or two heroes, but that each game is going to be building on to the Panethon of heroes of the Age, which the players will give their own special touches. If I'm right or wrong we'll see in the next full release, but consider that Dragon Age is supposed to be different than D&D and other fantasy staples and give it a real chance to be its own gaming not the shadow of DAO.

[Morroian]

Pandaman102 wrote...

I disagree about Aveline, but agree with everything else.

Amused that the blind fanboys ignored that the reviewer clarifies he's not saying DA2 is a bad game,

Interesting that the haters are ignoring this as well, how many of them would say the same. 

[Ariella]

Morroian wrote...

Pandaman102 wrote...

I disagree about Aveline, but agree with everything else.

Amused that the blind fanboys ignored that the reviewer clarifies he's not saying DA2 is a bad game,

Interesting that the haters are ignoring this as well, how many of them would say the same. 

Agreed. One does not title their article: What went wrong in Dragon Age if one is going to give a review that is balanced. 

[Pandaman102]

Morroian wrote...

Pandaman102 wrote...

I disagree about Aveline, but agree with everything else.

Amused that the blind fanboys ignored that the reviewer clarifies he's not saying DA2 is a bad game,

Interesting that the haters are ignoring this as well, how many of them would say the same. 

Quite a few, I'd imagine. I've seen plenty of "haters" with the "this is a bad sequal, would have done better as a spinoff" position (I suppose I would be counted as a "hater" by that definition), but the fanboys just take that and interpret it as "we want a DA:O clone". I haven't seen many people go "I love this game but I agree it's more a spinoff than a sequel", on the other hand - granted I may just have missed them over all the ranting made by both sides.

[Sidney]

"This is still a significant choice, especially if you pick mage, but of course not nearly so impacting as DAO’s mult-race, multi-class options" Race/class didn't matter a whit in DAO and one of my gripes with it was how little all those origins matters once you got to Ostagar. I thought Bioware squandered an opportunity to do a lot more with them and they never did.

"the six openings establishing brief normality before the abnormality broke out" Fair criticism but brief would be the understatement of the year on abnormality in things like the Dalish for example.

"And I’m not sure they’ve written a major character as poorly as your mother" Allistar, Carth, Kaiden, Aeonmen who all fill generic whiny guy is pretty much a whip at this point.

"So you can never relax into being a citizen – you’re waiting for this constantly teased progression to occur" While you can "relax" in Oblivion or New Vegas Bioware's stories since BG1 are pretty tightly paced affairs.

"It’s certainly not helped that every character has so few barks. " Really, did you play DAO?

"It’s confined, which is fine, but it’s not the epic RPG we were reasonably expecting." You weren't paying much attention over the development cycle were you? I have no sympathy for people who think that you have to keep telling the same sort of story in the DA world. Cripes, how many world killing things can one world face at a time?

Anytime you admit the name throws you, you've failed horribly at your core logic.

[Dragoonlordz]

Ariella wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Pandaman102 wrote...

I disagree about Aveline, but agree with everything else.

Amused that the blind fanboys ignored that the reviewer clarifies he's not saying DA2 is a bad game,

Interesting that the haters are ignoring this as well, how many of them would say the same. 

Agreed. One does not title their article: What went wrong in Dragon Age if one is going to give a review that is balanced. 

Erm, you do know a title tends to be written after the review is done right? The title is a reflection of his opinion after reviewing it.

[Dragoonlordz]

Sidney wrote...
"And I’m not sure they’ve written a major character as poorly as your mother" Allistar, Carth, Kaiden, Aeonmen who all fill generic whiny guy is pretty much a whip at this point.

The same could be applied to Carver, Fenris, Anders, Bethany, Sebastion even Merrill (when doing any of her quests). They were all miserable sods.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 01 avril 2011 - 02:32 .

[EthanDirtch]

For the most part, the review is correct in a lot of its analysis. Firstly, I enjoyed that this reviewer took the time to properly write an essay on what he felt went wrong with Dragon Age II. Secondly, I agree with a lot of what he said; perhaps I would not have said it with such passion (not rude, or crude, but simply passionate), and perhaps I am also more optimistic. Still, a lot of what he said was true. The lack of a proper 'origin', so to speak; the trouble with the framed narrative; the lack of acknowledgment to certain choices...I think there's a lot from Dragon Age II and from this person's review that BioWare can learn a lot from going forward.

I also think it's fair to say that had it been called something other than 'Dragon Age II', perhaps a lot more people would be a lot more forgiving of it. Oh wells!

Good review, well written, and for the most part spot-on.

[Ahisgewaya]

I completely agree with everything said in this review. Please do read it' Bioware, as it sums up my thoughts of this game.

[Mike Laidlaw]

Thanks for the link, guys. It was a very well-written article.

[Selectric]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Thanks for the link, guys. It was a very well-written article.

Agreed.  I didn't quite agree with everything he said, but his overall conclusion I do support.  That being:

Can we agree to call a mulligan on this one? Let’s retitle it, “Dragon Age: Kirkwall”, and BioWare can take a lot more time making the real Dragon Age II.

Will you, perhaps, take his advice, please?

Modifié par Selectric, 01 avril 2011 - 02:45 .

[Bitterfoam]

1. Analyses and/or reviews of pieces of art (of which video games are) should not be subjective in nature. But at least the writer recognizes and states that it will be subjective, so that makes him a little less awful.

2. The writer fails right around here: "Of course it's impossible to come to Dragon Age II with such a clean slate. Because at the very least, you're expecting Dragon Age: Origins." For someone making an artistic analysis, expectations - and thus judgments of the product - are based on the product, not what came before. No review on a piece of art, regardless of medium, should be inherently based on what came before, whether a sequel or not. That something deviates from its predecessors might be worth mentioning, however, any deviation must be understood per the object being weighed.

And that's where I stopped reading. Geez, there's so many of these. The blogging age really does wonders for furthering stupidity of language and making a real muckery of all things literary-interpretation.

Yes, yes, go ahead. Bring the flames. By all means.

Modifié par Bitterfoam, 01 avril 2011 - 02:51 .

[Dagiz]

Selectric wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Thanks for the link, guys. It was a very well-written article.

Agreed.  I didn't quite agree with everything he said, but his overall conclusion I do support.  That being:

Can
we agree to call a mulligan on this one? Let’s retitle it, “Dragon Age:
Kirkwall”, and BioWare can take a lot more time making the real Dragon
Age II.

Will you, perhaps, take his advice, please?

I have to disagree with this statement that it's not a real Dragon Age, simply becuase it didn't follow the warden storyline.  It's still Dragon Age II...a second story and different from Origins.  This post sums it up nicely: 

Ariella wrote...

While I doubt I'll be as vitrolic as Hugbert, I do have my issues with the review.

First
is the comment on Bioware's opening companions, especially Aveline and
Ashley. I've always found Bioware's companions (with the one exception
of the original NWN) to have personality, even if it is sometimes
understated. Aveline was supposed to be strong, and I never found her
voice robotic in the least. As for certain actions at the beginning
where the writer seeemed to expect her to cry, not in Aveline's
character especially in the situation that the party finds itself in.
That she mourns later off screen, and that the actions of that moment
have reperccusions don't seem to make it into the review

Second:
The review does seem to boil down to: this isn't DAO2. Something I
believe is unfair considering we've been told since practically the
announcement of DA2 it was NOT going to be a straight up sequel. We were
told that by Bioware at every turn, so to say:

Of course it’s impossible to come to Dragon Age II with such a clean
slate. Because at the very least, you’re expecting Dragon Age: Origins.

...
is uninformed at best. And the idea that just because one puts a 2
behind the name means it's going to be a straight up sequel died with
Final Fantasy, especially when the developer has been screaming from the
rooftops that that wouldn't be the case. I can accept that DAO was
beloved by many, especially considering I'm one of the many. However, I
did listen closely to Bioware when they started talking about Dragon Age
2. Originally a felt a small disappointment about this Hawke, but when
it was confirmed I could play a female, I perked up. After that, I
listened even more closely, and saw Bioware wanted to tell a different
story in the DA universe in a different way. By the time DA2 went gold, I
was ready to judge it on its own merits, rather than comparing it
against DAO.

There are imperical problems: bugs and the overuse
of same maps. Which I think are fair complaints, but I also believe that
The Dragon Age is not going to be about one or two heroes, but that
each game is going to be building on to the Panethon of heroes of the
Age, which the players will give their own special touches. If I'm right
or wrong we'll see in the next full release, but consider that Dragon
Age is supposed to be different than D&D and other fantasy staples
and give it a real chance to be its own gaming not the shadow of DAO.

That was my issue with the review as well.  Seems like there was an expectation it was going to follow suit as BG did, roll one right into another.  But since that time, and this is correct, FF did kill that, there are not that many sequals that follow directly on the heels of the first story.  Shoot, Fallout which to me is one of the most underrated stories and games out there, has never had the next generation of game following on the heels of the first game.  Different stories, all in the same world, and really not all that bad (loading Vegas as I write, so I reserve the right to change my mind on that last statement )

Modifié par Dagiz, 01 avril 2011 - 02:54 .

[DTKT]

Snip

Keep in mind one thing.

It's not a review. It's his impressions of the game.

[Zhijn]

Nicely written. Much of it is spot on.

I do think Aveline was probably the only character that grew on me, considering she was really the only one who seem to evolve during each act. Rather then anyone else, even Hawke.

[Dagiz]

DTKT wrote...

Snip

Keep in mind one thing.

It's not a review. It's his impressions of the game.

Not how I read it, especially given his opening:

You may have noticed the lack of a full Dragon Age II review on RPS. This has nothing to do with slacking. I’ve been playing the game almost every day since my WIT of the first few hours, now on my second play through, just trying to get my head around what it is they got wrong. That’s what I’ve tried to process here. As such, the below contains information that could spoil the story of the game.

and

What follows is a critique of where I think Dragon Age II went wrong. Read without bearing this in mind it could look like an overtly negative review. It’s not. The game gets much right, with some lovely quests, fun chats, interesting characters, and moving stories.

Modifié par Dagiz, 01 avril 2011 - 03:09 .

[Bitterfoam]

DTKT wrote...

Snip

Keep in mind one thing.

It's not a review. It's his impressions of the game.

Incorrect. By being authored and posted, it becomes a review. If he wanted to post his impressions, he should have done so on a personal blog. Though, yes, he does state it's going to be subjective, which doesn't do much to endear him.

Furthermore, the link address has, right there, the word "analysis" in it. Analysis indicates review, not subjective impressions.