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[Maiafay]

Sorry, I'm a nerd. This is a detail I need help with for a story.

Hawke is called both, yet I don't understand when to use serrah, or messer. Is there a reason why both are used? I've looked everywhere for the lore involved and can find nothing. Thanks for whoever can give me some help.

Modifié par Maiafay, 31 mars 2011 - 09:32 .

[Darth Obvious]

I don't know, but I hated being called 'serrah' or whatever. Sounded ridiculous.

[Maiafay]

Someone mentioned maybe it's the status of the one addressing you, like lowerclass saying serrah and upperclass saying messer? Gah. I might just not use it at all. It's annoying me.

[Wulfram]

The impression I got is that Serrah is respectful while Messere is deferential

[Lithuasil]

@Darth Obvious
That's why a femhawke by the name of "Serah" is the smart choice

[Maiafay]

Wulfram wrote...

The impression I got is that Serrah is respectful while Messere is deferential

Hmm, I might go with that, thanks. Wonder if elves are addressed this way as well. I never noticed anyone saying messere to an elf.

[Dark-sider77]

I thought it was like being called Sir or Mister in real life, the main difference being that Serrah and Messer are gender neutral.

[Raygereio]

Messere in the real world is an old way to adress a lord, or someone way higher up the social ladder then you. In DA2 it seems to serve a similar purpose.
Serrah is as far as I know a made up word, but I've seen it used often in fantasy novels alongside Ser and there it's usage is similar to DA2; being more or less the equivalent of saying Sir or Mister.

Modifié par Raygereio, 31 mars 2011 - 09:52 .

[Talladarr]

Okay, here's how it works. Both men and women of station(With status) can be reffered to as Ser(also applies to knights) Serah is more of a...I guess the best way to describe it is a gender neutral version of Sir, and Ma'am. Messere is more of a.... formal title, also gender neutral.

[Aldandil]

Isn't serah related to sirrah the same way ser is related to sir?

A native speaker could probably tell us the difference between sirrah and sir. All I know is that Shakespeare uses sirrah a lot.

I felt that serah was used as a title of respect for someone of the lower cclasses. I got called messere a lot more in acts 2 and 3, or so it felt.

[Danjaru]

Dunno, Serrah was quite funny though as we sometimes tease my friend Sarah by saying "Serrah" in a posh voice cause she's from England and we live in Sweden. Made me giggle each time they said it.

I think Serrah is just a different way to say "Sir", Messere is probably the same but said to someone of a higher rank I think.

[David Gaider]

Maiafay wrote...
Hawke is called both, yet I don't understand when to use serrah, or messer. Is there a reason why both are used? I've looked everywhere for the lore involved and can find nothing. Thanks for whoever can give me some help.

Both are gender-neutral forms of address used in the Free Marches.

"Serrah" is common usage, something you'd call an equal (or someone of lesser status). "Messere" is a term of respect.

[Punahedan]

David Gaider wrote...

Maiafay wrote...
Hawke is called both, yet I don't understand when to use serrah, or messer. Is there a reason why both are used? I've looked everywhere for the lore involved and can find nothing. Thanks for whoever can give me some help.

Both are gender-neutral forms of address used in the Free Marches.

"Serrah" is common usage, something you'd call an equal (or someone of lesser status). "Messere" is a term of respect.

Is it "Serah" or "Serrah"? In my game, I see it spelled as "Serah". Are there masculine/feminine versions? 

[Maugrim]

David Gaider wrote...

Maiafay wrote...
Hawke is called both, yet I don't understand when to use serrah, or messer. Is there a reason why both are used? I've looked everywhere for the lore involved and can find nothing. Thanks for whoever can give me some help.

Both are gender-neutral forms of address used in the Free Marches.

"Serrah" is common usage, something you'd call an equal (or someone of lesser status). "Messere" is a term of respect.

Ok everyone now it's time for use to comb through the dialogue files and find everytime the wrong term was used in an exchange

[Nathan Redgrave]

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Maiafay wrote...
Hawke is called both, yet I don't understand when to use serrah, or messer. Is there a reason why both are used? I've looked everywhere for the lore involved and can find nothing. Thanks for whoever can give me some help.

Both are gender-neutral forms of address used in the Free Marches.

"Serrah" is common usage, something you'd call an equal (or someone of lesser status). "Messere" is a term of respect.

Is it "Serah" or "Serrah"? In my game, I see it spelled as "Serah". Are there masculine/feminine versions? 

Phonetically, by the rules of realityland, I think a double-R is required to make it sound like "serrah" rather than "seerah." But in the game itself, the title is spelled "serah," where "ser" is the root word and "ah" acts as an addition. It seems a bit unfair to argue real-world phonetics against a fantasy-world's made-up titles, but there's the clarification for those who ask for it.

...I think, anyway. I could be wrong.

[Danathyr]

Lithuasil wrote...

@Darth Obvious
That's why a femhawke by the name of "Serah" is the smart choice

Que?  Serah Serah?

[The Angry One]

Danathyr wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

@Darth Obvious
That's why a femhawke by the name of "Serah" is the smart choice

Que?  Serah Serah?

*stab x50*

[Raiil]

Danathyr wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

@Darth Obvious
That's why a femhawke by the name of "Serah" is the smart choice

Que?  Serah Serah?

I cu what u did there.

I thought Serrah was just the Kirkwallian way of saying Ser. There was some confusion at first since Messere is a male-only form of address (basically another way of saying Signore) irl and I was like oh, crap, gender bug? 

[The Angry One]

Reminds me of how people thought that guy in Denerim was a gender mixup when he called you Ser repeatedly (thinking he said "sir").

[Drew_Weidner]

Something of yours, serah.

[Arppis]

Serah always sounded so femine... I always wanted to grab the person who uses it and ask "DO I LOOK LIKE A WOMAN TO YOU?! DO I?!".

[rcollins1701]

Serrah seems to be a derivative of sirrah, an early modern English term for an inferior, servant, etc. The meanings aren't the same as Mr. Gaider said in his post.

Messere is the DA equivalent of the French monsieur (eng: mister or lit. my lord), a formal appellation. Ser, in DA-speak, is gender-neutral and is perhaps used when referring to gentry or titled people.

[Nighteye2]

Think like Sir and Mister.

[Arppis]

Nighteye2 wrote...

Think like Sir and Mister.

Me too, or that "Ser".

[LadyVaJedi]

What I am wondering are these "real" words or made up.