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[Autoclave]

Every reaper artifact has some sort of indoctrionation device, yet Repears didn't bother to do smth similar to the citadel? Why? 

[QwertyQwerty]

They can't harvest indoctrinated civilizations.
Edit: (Or at least don't want to).

Modifié par QwertyQwerty, 31 mars 2011 - 09:32 .

[Malanek]

You're making some assumptions here. Who says the Reapers built the citadel? Who says the Citadel isn't capable of indoctrination? Who says everything the reapers ever built is an indoctrination device?

[Mavkiel]

Because it'd give the game away early. Citadel was discovered hundreds of years ago. If folks started acting funny in it it'd raise questions. Also they wouldn't want that kind of tech just hanging around that place. For all they know the first people to come into contact with the place would inspect it top to bottom for booby traps.

[Autoclave]

Malanek999 wrote...

You're making some assumptions here. Who says the Reapers built the citadel? Who says the Citadel isn't capable of indoctrination? Who says everything the reapers ever built is an indoctrination device?

1. Sovereign clearly states that Reapers built Citadel. 
2. It it was capable, it would be used to convince it's ppl to open the relay manually for the Reapers. 
3. Because every occurence of repears or their technology in game ends up in somebody getting indoctrinated. 

[Mavkiel]

*cough* Every mass relay would prove point three wrong.

[kaotician]

The Reapers are parasitical in nature - for me, they're enhanced bugs with augmented AI that somehow got away from their original masters. The Citadel isn't theirs, but their makers. Typically for the Reapers, they've 'colonised' the Citadel too as a tool for themselves.

They're a non-creative genetic dead-end, a bug augmented to do a job billions of years ago that got out of hand.

However, it's important to remember that indoctrination isn't simply walking around like a zombie servant etc - as game 1 shows us, it's about an insidious manipulation of the way in which we think in the first place. To that end, everyone's already indoctrinated somewhat - manifestations of the idea can be seen with Cerberus amongst the humans, but with every other race too.

Modifié par kaotician, 31 mars 2011 - 09:42 .

[DingoEffect]

To much indoctrination on the Citadel might alert others that are not on the Citadel and take nesesary precautions. But, little thoughts placed here and there might work. Remeber the Council is down playing the Reapers.

[piemanz]

The reapers allow civilisations to grow and advance for a certain period of time (around 50,000 years), that would not be possible if they were indoctrinated as soon as they discovered they citadel.

Modifié par piemanz, 31 mars 2011 - 09:43 .

[DingoEffect]

I'm sure they don't have to indoctrinate all the time. Surely they can control it.

[Tazzmission]

didnt the reapers create the keepers? im intrested to see if they do anything at all

[kaotician]

Indoctrination is a form of philosophical manipulation. For the Reapers, it means that species develop along lines potentially useful to the Reapers themselves, an outward manifestation of which may be seen to be expressed in terms of the tech each species develops - and its' genetic implications for that species itself. The Reapers then step in before that species gets too carried away, co-opting their genetic materials and its' potential into their own body-politic.

They're a fascinating species. But, for me, they're a bug, massively augmented, like a roach or similar.

Modifié par kaotician, 31 mars 2011 - 09:51 .

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Budget Cuts.

Even as self-proclaimed gods, the Reapers must bow to the Almighty Dollar.

[expanding panic]

Autoclave wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

You're making some assumptions here. Who says the Reapers built the citadel? Who says the Citadel isn't capable of indoctrination? Who says everything the reapers ever built is an indoctrination device?

1. Sovereign clearly states that Reapers built Citadel. 
2. It it was capable, it would be used to convince it's ppl to open the relay manually for the Reapers. 
3. Because every occurence of repears or their technology in game ends up in somebody getting indoctrinated.

An I created one of the Great Pyramids over in Egypt over 2,000 years ago. So because I said it, it must be true right?  In case your not sure... No I didn't actually build one of the Great Pyramids I lied. Which Sovereign could also have done. Maybe who ever build the Citadel first made it   and the Reapers couldn't break it or decided  to use it to help them gather all of the different races there. So they decided to use the Citadel as a conduit.

Or

You could be right. But my whole thing is we don't know yet and you are assuming. Their is no proof just someone who is trying to kill you that things word.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

maybe they just couldn't build one that big.


or maybe it is and that's why the council doesn't believe you about reapers.

[expanding panic]

Tazzmission wrote...

didnt the reapers create the keepers? im intrested to see if they do anything at all

No the reapers did not create the reapers... Well I guess they did, what happened to the Collectors is what happened to the keepers. So if you consider that created then yes they were. But at the end of ME1 the Protheans unprogrammed them. Don't know if thats the right word but from what I understand thats what happened

[kaotician]

Personally, I think the Council are only too aware of the threat. I think their professed disbelief is a front, to keep the population happy, whilst they prepare in secret, as best they can, for the forthcoming holocaust.

[kaotician]

expanding panic wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

didnt the reapers create the keepers? im intrested to see if they do anything at all

No the reapers did not create the reapers... Well I guess they did, what happened to the Collectors is what happened to the keepers. So if you consider that created then yes they were. But at the end of ME1 the Protheans unprogrammed them. Don't know if thats the right word but from what I understand thats what happened

Yes, this accords with my memory, Weren't the Keepers the original builders, or so it's suggested, of the Citadel, subsequently sequestrated and reduced like the Protheans/Collector's after them?

[Almostfaceman]

Why would they need the Citadel to indoctrinate people? They've been doing fine without that function for tens of millions of years.

[AdmiralCheez]

I am willing to bet that the Citadel has a very subtle indoctrination effect, one that does not degrade mental functioning because it is so small, but works to the Reapers' advantage.

It goes something like this: Use our technology. Do not study it. Accept things as they are. Feel safe. Make this place the seat of your empires.

[Almostfaceman]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I am willing to bet that the Citadel has a very subtle indoctrination effect, one that does not degrade mental functioning because it is so small, but works to the Reapers' advantage.

It goes something like this: Use our technology. Do not study it. Accept things as they are. Feel safe. Make this place the seat of your empires.

That's plausible, I kinda like that idea.

[Dean_the_Young]

Autoclave wrote...

Every reaper artifact has some sort of indoctrionation device, yet Repears didn't bother to do smth similar to the citadel? Why? 

To start with, not every Reaper artifact has an indoctrination device.

The Citadel.
The Relays.
The IFF.


If there is one, I agree with Cheeze: designed to be too small to be noticed by anyone observing the ones living there. Very, very subtle.

[Para Pett]

Autoclave wrote...

1. Sovereign clearly states that Reapers built Citadel.

They also say that "We are your salvation"  Now, I don't believe that. (it could be true, but do you really want to find out and get turned into mush?!?) So it is quite possible that Sovereign is lieing about the Citadel.  We don't know how the Reapers came to be, they could have been made by someone else, who also made the Mass Relays and Citadel, then turned on them for some reason (like the Geth and Quarians) and then absorbed them.  Thus Sovereign "believes" the Reapers made it. when in fact they didnt.
Hope that doesn't sound to confusing lol:D

Autoclave wrote...

2. It it was capable, it would be used to convince it's ppl to open the relay manually for the Reapers.

It would make a pretty lousy game if it was that easy for the Reapers though  wouldn't it! haha

Autoclave wrote...
3. Because every occurence of repears or their technology in game ends up in somebody getting indoctrinated. 

Now this is very, very true 

[Autoclave]

I am amazed you ppl cannot accept that Citadel has been built by Reapers. Why the hell would it have its hidden Mass Relay to facilitate their instant arrival at the core of galactic community?

It is a Reaper station.

[AdmiralCheez]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

If there is one, I agree with Cheeze: designed to be too small to be noticed by anyone observing the ones living there. Very, very subtle.

If there is one at all.  Honestly, the only reason I started thinking that at all was because I couldn't believe how blindly everyone just accepted the Citadel/mass relays and was disgusted by the lack of interest in studying the very devices that were vital to galactic civilization.  Also, the Citadel is designed to be a giant trap for organics, so why not?

Won't be surprised if I'm wrong though.  Or if I'm right, for that matter.