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[Praetor Knight]

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

Not to be rude, but hasn't a debate on the scientific accuracy of ME already been repeatedly discussed?

Yes, but this is a forum! The Greeks and Romans would be proud
And more pictures of the effects of mass on the space-time continuum!


^ originally from here: http://nrumiano.free...rs/b_holes.html

[I...AM...KROGAN]

JKoopman wrote...

Technically speaking, the mass effect would account for a spacecraft being capable of traveling AT the speed of light. But reducing a ship's mass--even to zero--wouldn't allow it to travel FASTER than light. You'd need some kind of wormhole for that to occur, and that's not really FTL so much as it is teleportation.

Yeah, I think there may be some pretty interesting reasons why that is the case. Now, I'm not a physicist, so please take what I say with a heavy dose of salt.

If string theory pans out (a big if), I think we'll get new insights into why the universe behaves the way it does. For example, the speed of light is approximately 186,282 mps in a vacuum. Why that speed, though? Why not 348,721 mps? Perhaps the very nature of the universe controls how fast particles move.

Assume that string theory is correct. What we detect as "matter" is nothing more than vibrating loops of energy at a certain resonance. Vibrational pattern A constitutes photons, B= up quarks, C= down quarks, and so on. Now what about the empty space we see? Well, it's not really empty at all. It also consists of vibrating loops of energy, but they're not turned "on" in a resonance that gives them mass and other properties. They have the potential to become "particles," however.  Imagine that the entirety of the universe's four dimensions (eleven according to M-theory- but that isn't needed here) is nothing but a giant unified field of planck length sized strings that are vibrating. None of them move; instead they transfer their energy to other strings surrounding them which we describe as movement. Strange? Yes it is, but we know that quantum physics is crazy.

[Vash3283]

Pwener2313 wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

stonbw1 wrote...

I'm not a scientist, but there is some school of thought that the universe is expanding (or did)quicker than the speed of light. If you subscribe to the Big Bang theory, the universe was a spec and one millisecond later, it was well, pretty big. And it continues to grow . . .wah, wah, wah

Ah yes, the "Big Bang" theory. what a load of crap. One guy in a wheelchair who loves to be an idiot (evolution? we evolved from monkeys and fish? Then why are there still monkeys and fish? What an idiot). Yes, the universe is expanding, but if I tell you why I'll be jumped by the surprising number of atheist in this website.

Oh lord...

Here's something for you to consider. We know that the universe is expanding. We know the rate at which it's expanding. If 5 minutes from now the universe will be larger, then the inverse must also be true and thus 5 minutes ago the universe must've been smaller. Since we can measure the rate of expansion, we can predict where it'll be tomorrow and also determine where it was yesterday. Using the awesome power of math, we can trace the rate of expansion back about ~13 billion years to where logic says that it must've originated from a single point in space-time.

But you're right; a magical bearded man in the sky "magiking" the universe into existence in 6 days and then covering it up and intentionally creating mountains of evidence to the contrary simply to test our faith is far more plausible.

And Jebus dude, at least make an effort to understand evolution before you try to mock people who've spent their entire lives studying and developing it. You sound like one of those people who stand outside schools and libraries with signs that read, "My gram'ma weren't no monkey!" Let me ask you a question: If evolution doesn't exist, why then are there over 150 different breeds of dog in the world and not just 1?

Im sorry, but your wrong. Your kind are the ones who ignore the truth like the way most homosexuals are atheist (what a coincidence......). And yes, there is an all powerful being in a third dimension controlling everything. When you die, you'll be in front of him, he'll tell you that you were wrong all your life and then toss your sorry ass to hell (BBQ!).

But seriously, "people whu study this"? No, those are people looking for excuses to be atheist and support they're own made up beliefs like so many before them. Why are there 150 breeds of dog? They always existed and 30% of them were breeded by us Humans to make new breeds (Rottweiler I think is one of those cases). Evolution those not exist. Many people say that those who live in cold ares grow thicker hair; that's bull, there is no such thing as that. Go to Antarctica and see for yourself. But of course, this won't change your mind, so just waint and you'll see Im right, hope you remember me when the hour is upon you.

The nutty man with religious fervor your parents warned you about. Nothing supports your God, his theories have scientific proof. You simply claim there is a third dimension, with a God, because you were raised to believe that and read a book full of fairy tales, that was written when man was in one of its most primitive forms.

(Btw evolution has been recorded and proven thousands of times, arguing against that is like saying water and ice are not the same thing.)

Modifié par Vash3283, 01 avril 2011 - 12:09 .

[piemanz]

It's only impossible with our current understanding of the workings of the universe, theres still plenty  of things out there that we have absolutly no idea what is happening.For example the dark matter theory came about because stars at the edge of a galaxy move at the same speed as stars at the center of a galaxy , this we know, and it goes against all laws of physics as we know it.

Modifié par piemanz, 01 avril 2011 - 12:18 .

[Mx_CN3]

Vash3283 wrote...

The nutty man with religious fervor your parents warned you about. Nothing supports your God, his theories have scientific proof. You simply claim there is a third dimension, with a God, because you were raised to believe that and read a book full of fairy tales, that was written when man was in one of its most primitive forms.

(Btw evolution has been recorded and proven thousands of times, arguing against that is like saying water and ice are not the same thing.)

He is a troll, just report him and be done with it; there is no need to insult people who believe something different than you (read: exactly what he is doing).

[I...AM...KROGAN]

Pwener2313 wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

stonbw1 wrote...

I'm not a scientist, but there is some school of thought that the universe is expanding (or did)quicker than the speed of light. If you subscribe to the Big Bang theory, the universe was a spec and one millisecond later, it was well, pretty big. And it continues to grow . . .wah, wah, wah

Ah yes, the "Big Bang" theory. what a load of crap. One guy in a wheelchair who loves to be an idiot (evolution? we evolved from monkeys and fish? Then why are there still monkeys and fish? What an idiot). Yes, the universe is expanding, but if I tell you why I'll be jumped by the surprising number of atheist in this website.

Oh lord...

Here's something for you to consider. We know that the universe is expanding. We know the rate at which it's expanding. If 5 minutes from now the universe will be larger, then the inverse must also be true and thus 5 minutes ago the universe must've been smaller. Since we can measure the rate of expansion, we can predict where it'll be tomorrow and also determine where it was yesterday. Using the awesome power of math, we can trace the rate of expansion back about ~13 billion years to where logic says that it must've originated from a single point in space-time.

But you're right; a magical bearded man in the sky "magiking" the universe into existence in 6 days and then covering it up and intentionally creating mountains of evidence to the contrary simply to test our faith is far more plausible.

And Jebus dude, at least make an effort to understand evolution before you try to mock people who've spent their entire lives studying and developing it. You sound like one of those people who stand outside schools and libraries with signs that read, "My gram'ma weren't no monkey!" Let me ask you a question: If evolution doesn't exist, why then are there over 150 different breeds of dog in the world and not just 1?

Im sorry, but your wrong. Your kind are the ones who ignore the truth like the way most homosexuals are atheist (what a coincidence......). And yes, there is an all powerful being in a third dimension controlling everything. When you die, you'll be in front of him, he'll tell you that you were wrong all your life and then toss your sorry ass to hell (BBQ!).

But seriously, "people whu study this"? No, those are people looking for excuses to be atheist and support they're own made up beliefs like so many before them. Why are there 150 breeds of dog? They always existed and 30% of them were breeded by us Humans to make new breeds (Rottweiler I think is one of those cases). Evolution those not exist. Many people say that those who live in cold ares grow thicker hair; that's bull, there is no such thing as that. Go to Antarctica and see for yourself. But of course, this won't change your mind, so just waint and you'll see Im right, hope you remember me when the hour is upon you.

Are you serious or is my sarcasm detector broken?

First of all, I'm not sure what homosexuality has to do with atheism. Secondly, homosexuality exists in many species of animals besides ****** sapiens. And thirdly, you are completely and utterly wrong about the artificial selection (as opposed to natural selection) of dogs. Furthermore, to deny domestication of numerous plants and animals is to, quite frankly, deny history. You are wrong. That's not my opinion, that is a fact. You are wrong!

I suggest you, first, learn what science is and what science is not before attempting to discuss anything to do with it. Then, you should actually read a biology text book and understand what the Theory of Evolution says. Again, evolution (change in allele frequency) is an observed fact! Darwin's theory attempts to explain how evolution happens. There is no doubt from any reputable biologist that evolution takes place. Please understand that.

[Pwener2313]

Troll? No, Im defending my position and belief, the right belief.

[Mx_CN3]

Please people, just report the troll and get back to the (rather fascinating) topic of FTL speed! I loved reading this thread and would rather people not get off track with a far more droll subject. Please?

[Pwener2313]

Go to hell.

[Relix28]

Ontopic:
They once thought that earth was flat...think about it for a while.

Modifié par Relix28, 01 avril 2011 - 12:29 .

[Whatever42]

himmelgeher wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Seraphithan wrote...

What about tachyons or are those no longer around?

Completely hypothetical particle. It's in the same book as wormholes, string theory, alternate universes, and unicorns.

Did you just compare Wormholes and String Theory to alternate universes and unicorns? Now you're just harshin' on my science.
Side note: stop acting like science and religion are mutually exclusive. They're not, and you are moron if you think they are. This isn't a science v. relgion thread anyway. Can we just get back to telling the OP that he's an idiot please?

String theory is complete fantasy. It has no predictive value so it is the same as unicorns. Flame breathing unicorns even!  And I would never harsh on science.

[Pwener2313]

Relix28 wrote...

Ontopic:
They once thought that earth was flat...think about it for a while.

Exactly, it just needs time.

[Whatever42]

Mx_CN3 wrote...

Please people, just report the troll and get back to the (rather fascinating) topic of FTL speed! I loved reading this thread and would rather people not get off track with a far more droll subject. Please?

Pwner isn't a troll, just has strong beliefs. But, yes, let's stay on FTL. Or quantum entanglement, which is fun!

[JKoopman]

Guys, don't even waste your time with Pwener2313. He's either a troll, in which case arguing with him just gives him exactly what he wants, or he actually believes the drivel coming out of his mouth keyboard, in which case he's beyond redemption and you're just wasting minutes of your life responding to him.

Just report him and move on. He's already said more than enough to earn himself a time out from the mods.

[Pwener2313]

Yeah, let's talk about Quantum Entanglement! I like that topic. One question, is it real or just sci-fy?

[Therefore_I_Am]

Pwener2313 wrote...

stonbw1 wrote...

I'm not a scientist, but there is some school of thought that the universe is expanding (or did)quicker than the speed of light. If you subscribe to the Big Bang theory, the universe was a spec and one millisecond later, it was well, pretty big. And it continues to grow . . .wah, wah, wah

Ah yes, the "Big Bang" theory. what a load of crap. One guy in a wheelchair who loves to be an idiot (evolution? we evolved from monkeys and fish? Then why are there still monkeys and fish? What an idiot). Yes, the universe is expanding, but if I tell you why I'll be jumped by the surprising number of atheist in this website.

If you want evidence - hard proof - than look at yourself in the mirror and you can see the very likeness that we, as human beings, have come from the primate family. Opposable thumbs? Just as every other primate. If you have a hairy chest, than your likeness will show even more.
Yes, you (and all of us) came from APES (not monkeys) albeit not the chimpanzees that you are thinking. And it's apparent that a moderately large margin of humankind still acts like apes...

Modifié par Therefore_I_Am, 01 avril 2011 - 12:47 .

[piemanz]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Yeah, let's talk about Quantum Entanglement! I like that topic. One question, is it real or just sci-fy?

It's been proven, and it also proves that moving at the speed of light is possible at some level at least anyway.

[I...AM...KROGAN]

Relix28 wrote...

Ontopic:
They once thought that earth was flat...think about it for a while.

Actually, educated people have understood the Earth is a sphere for thousands of years. And besides, what is there to think about? Humans are pretty good at using logic to understand the world around them. It betters their chance of survival.

[Naltair]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Yeah, let's talk about Quantum Entanglement! I like that topic. One question, is it real or just sci-fy?

I beleive it is based on some research done with particles.  I don't have enough grounding with quantum mechanics to explain any more then that.

http://en.wikipedia....um_entanglement

[Pwener2313]

Wait.... that crap is real? Wow.......

[Almostfaceman]

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

stonbw1 wrote...

I'm not a scientist, but there is some school of thought that the universe is expanding (or did)quicker than the speed of light. If you subscribe to the Big Bang theory, the universe was a spec and one millisecond later, it was well, pretty big. And it continues to grow . . .wah, wah, wah

Ah yes, the "Big Bang" theory. what a load of crap. One guy in a wheelchair who loves to be an idiot (evolution? we evolved from monkeys and fish? Then why are there still monkeys and fish? What an idiot). Yes, the universe is expanding, but if I tell you why I'll be jumped by the surprising number of atheist in this website.

If you want evidence - hard proof - than look at yourself in the mirror and you can see the very likeness that we, as human beings, have come from the primate family. Opposable thumbs? Just as every other primate. If you have a hairy chest, than your likeness will show even more.
Yes, you (and all of us) came from APES (not monkeys) albeit not the chimpanzees that you are thinking. And it's apparent that moderately large margin of humankind still acts like apes...

Both of you stfu, this is about the speed of light dammit. 

[Mx_CN3]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Pwner isn't a troll, just has strong beliefs. But, yes, let's stay on FTL. Or quantum entanglement, which is fun!

Sadly, I can't really contribute much to this thread, because I'm not too informed on the subject.  All that comes to mind is the space-time graphs we did in my non-science-major physics class, and the general rule was that nothing can move faster than light.  Now we seem to have moved to wormholes (which I am only familiar with from Star Trek), string theory (which I am only familiar with from The Big Bang Theory), and quantum entanglement (which I have never heard of at all). 

I guess I could always ask the dumb question of "what happens when two black holes run into eachother?"  Is that contribution?

[Pwener2313]

I...AM...KROGAN wrote...

Relix28 wrote...

Ontopic:
They once thought that earth was flat...think about it for a while.

Actually, educated people have understood the Earth is a sphere for thousands of years.

I seriously doubt that....... there is no Templar order if that's what your getting at.

[Whatever42]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Yeah, let's talk about Quantum Entanglement! I like that topic. One question, is it real or just sci-fy?

Very real. Observable. Testable. Repeatable. As Einstein put it... spooky!

http://en.wikipedia....um_entanglement

Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a way to actually use it for instanteous communication as in the game.

[JKoopman]

piemanz wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Yeah, let's talk about Quantum Entanglement! I like that topic. One question, is it real or just sci-fy?

It's been proven, and it also proves that moving at the speed of light is possible at some level at least anyway.

Although it begets the question of whether quantum entaglement is trully an example of physics defying Einstein's special theory of relativity. I mean, is there really any "movement" or "transmission" involved or could it in effect be an example of a wormhole-type phenomenon?

Pwener2313 wrote...

Wait.... that crap is real? Wow.......

It's amazing what those Godless heathens who don't know what the hell they're talking about are able to accomplish, isn't it?

Modifié par JKoopman, 01 avril 2011 - 12:52 .