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[Pwener2313]

Mx_CN3 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Pwner isn't a troll, just has strong beliefs. But, yes, let's stay on FTL. Or quantum entanglement, which is fun!

Sadly, I can't really contribute much to this thread, because I'm not too informed on the subject.  All that comes to mind is the space-time graphs we did in my non-science-major physics class, and the general rule was that nothing can move faster than light.  Now we seem to have moved to wormholes (which I am only familiar with from Star Trek), string theory (which I am only familiar with from The Big Bang Theory), and quantum entanglement (which I have never heard of at all). 

I guess I could always ask the dumb question of "what happens when two black holes run into eachother?"  Is that contribution?

I don't remember much myself, but I researched wormholes and negative energy for a high school essay, and I remember that negative energy could be harnessed to create an artificial wormhole that could sorround the "ship" and transport it to the light of speed. This is right now the only possible way scientist have found to travel in the speed of light.

[Bogsnot1]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Yeah, let's talk about Quantum Entanglement! I like that topic. One question, is it real or just sci-fy?

Very real. Observable. Testable. Repeatable. As Einstein put it... spooky!

http://en.wikipedia....um_entanglement

Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a way to actually use it for instanteous communication as in the game.

There is another solution, Monarchies. Given that as soon as one Monarch dies, another is immediately risen up to take their place, this postulates that Monarchies travel faster than the speed of light. Therefore, through the careful torture of minor nobles and others in line to various thrones around the cosmos, we might be able to send instantaneous messages throughout the galaxy.
I could go into greater detail, but it apears I'm out of bourbon.

[Naltair]

The world being round is not a new concept, ancient Greek natural philosophers were using that knowledge to figure out the distance between Earth and the Sun.

[Pwener2313]

[quote]JKoopman wrote...

Wait.... that crap is real? Wow.......[/quote]

It's amazing what those Godless heathens who don't know what the hell they're talking about are able to accomplish, isn't it?

[/quote]

what? I never said that. I don't hate atheists, just find they're lack of believe disturbing (yes, I just quoted Darth Vader). Plus, atheism is actually a religion, in case you didn't know (I took a religion deiversity class in college).

[Whatever42]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Yeah, let's talk about Quantum Entanglement! I like that topic. One question, is it real or just sci-fy?

Very real. Observable. Testable. Repeatable. As Einstein put it... spooky!

http://en.wikipedia....um_entanglement

Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a way to actually use it for instanteous communication as in the game.

There is another solution, Monarchies. Given that as soon as one Monarch dies, another is immediately risen up to take their place, this postulates that Monarchies travel faster than the speed of light. Therefore, through the careful torture of minor nobles and others in line to various thrones around the cosmos, we might be able to send instantaneous messages throughout the galaxy.
I could go into greater detail, but it apears I'm out of bourbon.

Ly Tin Weedle was a brilliant philospher.

[ScepticMatt]

Quantum entanglement is very real. The world of quantum dynamics is a very strange one, but we have to deal with especially if we like to develop microchips.

@Pwener2313: PLEASE don't turn this into a religious thread

Modifié par ScepticMatt, 01 avril 2011 - 01:06 .

[JKoopman]

*DELETED to stay on-topic*

Modifié par JKoopman, 01 avril 2011 - 01:02 .

[piemanz]

JKoopman wrote...

Although it begets the question of whether quantum entaglement is trully an example of physics defying Einstein's special theory of relativity. I mean, is there really any "movement" or "transmission" involved or could it in effect be an example of a wormhole-type phenomenon?

I'm not soing to pretend to be qualified to answer that so take everything i say here with that in mind.

What i think it does prove is that huge distances could potentilly be traversed instantaneosuly.Who's to say that in a few hundred years we won't be using entanglement relays.

Modifié par piemanz, 01 avril 2011 - 01:13 .

[Bogsnot1]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...
Yeah, let's talk about Quantum Entanglement! I like that topic. One question, is it real or just sci-fy?

Very real. Observable. Testable. Repeatable. As Einstein put it... spooky!
http://en.wikipedia....um_entanglement
Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a way to actually use it for instanteous communication as in the game.

There is another solution, Monarchies. Given that as soon as one Monarch dies, another is immediately risen up to take their place, this postulates that Monarchies travel faster than the speed of light. Therefore, through the careful torture of minor nobles and others in line to various thrones around the cosmos, we might be able to send instantaneous messages throughout the galaxy.
I could go into greater detail, but it apears I'm out of bourbon.

Ly Tin Weedle was a brilliant philospher.

Congratulations on getting the reference. Have a cookie.
http://t2.gstatic.co...zJCmBPAm3TX3sJO

[Relix28]

I...AM...KROGAN wrote...

Relix28 wrote...

Ontopic:
They once thought that earth was flat...think about it for a while.

Actually, educated people have understood the Earth is a sphere for thousands of years. And besides, what is there to think about? Humans are pretty good at using logic to understand the world around them. It betters their chance of survival.

The point I was trying to make was that, if we think something is impossible today, it doesn't mean it is so. I am no expert on the particular subject, but I do believe that in time, we will be able to travel between stars at FTL speeds. Might be even sooner than we think, though I doubt anyone of us will live to see it, unless we go into cryosleep for a century or two.

[Whatever42]

ScepticMatt wrote...

Quantum entanglement is very real. The world of quantum dynamics is a very strange one, but we have to deal with especially if we like to develop microchips.

@Pwener2313: PLEASE don't turn this into a religious thread
/Edit: Atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist. If you believe atheism is a religion, not-collecting stamps is a hobby.

hrm... I know generally how microchips are made (which is pretty amazing) but what does quantum physics have to do with it?

[JKoopman]

piemanz wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

Although it begets the question of whether quantum entaglement is trully an example of physics defying Einstein's special theory of relativity. I mean, is there really any "movement" or "transmission" involved or could it in effect be an example of a wormhole-type phenomenon?

I'm not soing to pretend to be qualified to answer that so take everything i say here with that in mind.

What i think it does prove is that huge distances could potentilly be traversed instantaneosuly.Who's to say that in a few hundred years we won't be using entanglement relays.

"Entaglement Core" has a nice ring to it...

Modifié par JKoopman, 01 avril 2011 - 01:07 .

[Naltair]

It isn't a matter of if we will find FTL travel, but just a matter of when, or basically interstellar travel will never become a reality.

I am confident that it is possible, although I highly doubt it will be realized in our lifetimes.

[Pwener2313]

ScepticMatt wrote...

@Pwener2313: PLEASE don't turn this into a religious thread
/Edit: Atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist. If you believe atheism is a religion, not-collecting stamps is a hobby.

http://debunkingathe...s-religion.html

Now back on topic please......

[Whatever42]

piemanz wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

Although it begets the question of whether quantum entaglement is trully an example of physics defying Einstein's special theory of relativity. I mean, is there really any "movement" or "transmission" involved or could it in effect be an example of a wormhole-type phenomenon?

I'm not soing to pretend to be qualified to answer that so take everything i say here with that in mind.

What i think it does prove is that huge distances could potentilly be traversed instantaneosuly.Who's to say that in a few hundred years we won't be using entanglement relays.

Possibly. With what we know today, we already know its possible to use entanglement to tranmit energy! Although I have no idea about the economics of such a plan. Don't know about actual teleportation of matter. Although JKoop has a good point about wormholes. I don't know that its a wormhole but it certainly goes to show us that there is a lot more happening under the covers then we really understand. Who knows what we'll eventually learn.

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 01 avril 2011 - 01:13 .

[Mx_CN3]

It depends on your definition of religion. One of those is that your religion is your set of beliefs about God (or equivalent), and an atheist is a person who's beliefs are simply that there is no God (or equivalent), therefore atheism is a religion.

No matter what way you look at it, it has nothing to do with FTL travel. On topic: so I remember reading that the communication that Shepard uses with TIM is, iirc, a particle on the Normandy oscillates in the same manner as a particle that is in TIM's room, and that is used to encode messages. I read over the wikipedia link on quantum entanglement, and it sounds like that is what this is. So, is it even possible, or does the distance between the particle eliminate their harmony? Or am I just all kinds of wrong?

[Sursion]

Actually, FTL speed is scientifically possible. We already have the formula, we just need the technology (search Alcubiere Drive).

It's not faster than light in the traditional sense of actually traveling faster then light. It bends the rules a bit.

[ScepticMatt]

@Whatever666343431431654324: Most physicists today work in the field of solid state physics.to quote wikipedia:

Solid-state physics is the study of rigid matter, or solids, through methods such as quantum mechanics, crystallography, electromagnetism and metallurgy. It is the largest branch of condensed matter physics. Solid-state physics studies how the large-scale properties of solid materials result from their atomic-scale properties. Thus, solid-state physics forms the theoretical basis of materials science. It also has direct applications, for example in the technology of transistors and semiconductors.

Considering how it is important: Most of it has to to with the quantum states of electrons, energy bands and the Schrodinger equation. 

[Gatt9]

Generally speaking,  one of our bigger problems is that we consistently assume we are able to detect all matter/energy.

What I mean is,  we do not consider that there are forms of either matter or energy outside of our ability to detect and our range of senses.  We assume that everything that is,  is encompassed by our senses.  Pretty much all of our knowledge comes from that. 

What is this table made of? Gets us to Atomic theory
Why did the apple fall down?  Gets us to gravity

When our math indicates that we don't have all the pieces to the puzzle,  we tend to fudge in something that will fit within our senses,  like "Dark Energy". 

Or to put it another way,  lets take the blind cave fish.  For him,  Color doesn't exist.  So were he to evolve,  his models of light would be based entirely upon heat/cold rather than wavelength.  He'd be missing major puzzle pieces.

It's very likely that there's forms of energy and even matter out there that exist outside of our range of senses,  and thus our ability to detect.  At which point,  pretty much all of our laws of physics go in the crapper.  We assume FTL travel is impossible because it's not possible within the realm of what we know to exist.

[Whatever42]

ScepticMatt wrote...

@Whatever666343431431654324: Most physicists today work in the field of solid state physics.to quote wikipedia:

Solid-state physics is the study of rigid matter, or solids, through methods such as quantum mechanics, crystallography, electromagnetism and metallurgy. It is the largest branch of condensed matter physics. Solid-state physics studies how the large-scale properties of solid materials result from their atomic-scale properties. Thus, solid-state physics forms the theoretical basis of materials science. It also has direct applications, for example in the technology of transistors and semiconductors.

Considering how it is important: Most of it has to to with the quantum states of electrons, energy bands and the Schrodinger equation. 

"The peculiar time dependent part of the Schrödinger equation is, unlike the Klein-Gordon equation for pions and most of the other well known wave equations, a first order in time differential equation with a 90o out of phase driving mechanism, while most oscillator equations are second order in time differential equations with 180o out of phase driving mechanisms."

Yeah, I'm not going to be understanding any of that any time soon.   I think I vaguely understand how it relates now. Thanks!

[Pwener2313]

Sursion wrote...

Actually, FTL speed is scientifically possible. We already have the formula, we just need the technology (search Alcubiere Drive).

It's not faster than light in the traditional sense of actually traveling faster then light. It bends the rules a bit.

Interesting theory that one. There are so many at this point that I'd like to see what happens. Me and my dad were talking a few weeks back and we came to the conclusion that how the universe is contantly expanding, Humanity's future is to colonize space for time infinitum. This will all be done under the ruling hand of a being, but bringing that fiasco back is not worth it.

[Whatever42]

Sursion wrote...

Actually, FTL speed is scientifically possible. We already have the formula, we just need the technology (search Alcubiere Drive).

It's not faster than light in the traditional sense of actually traveling faster then light. It bends the rules a bit.

Read up on that on wiki. Didn't understand half of it but it was interesting! Thanks!

[I...AM...KROGAN]

Pwener2313 wrote...

ScepticMatt wrote...

@Pwener2313: PLEASE don't turn this into a religious thread
/Edit: Atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist. If you believe atheism is a religion, not-collecting stamps is a hobby.

http://debunkingathe...s-religion.html

Now back on topic please......

Some atheists treat it as a religion. Most, however simply don't believe in gods. Since you aren't one, it would be appreciated if you didn't assume to know what goes on in other people's minds and put words in their mouths. Thanks.

Oh, and in case you're wondering, I don't actively disbelieve in gods anymore than I actively disbelieve in ghosts, santa, invisible pink unicorns or giant teapots near the orbit of Mars. In other words, the burden of proof is on you.

[Pwener2313]

I...AM...KROGAN wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

ScepticMatt wrote...

@Pwener2313: PLEASE don't turn this into a religious thread
/Edit: Atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist. If you believe atheism is a religion, not-collecting stamps is a hobby.

http://debunkingathe...s-religion.html

Now back on topic please......

Some atheists treat it as a religion. Most, however simply don't believe in gods. Since you aren't one, it would be appreciated if you didn't assume to know what goes on in other people's minds and put words in their mouths. Thanks.

Oh, and in case you're wondering, I don't actively disbelieve in gods anymore than I actively disbelieve in ghosts, santa, invisible pink unicorns or giant teapots near the orbit of Mars. In other words, the burden of proof is on you.

Im not putting words in anyone's mouths. If they want to discredit my belief, fine, but I get to do it to them too.

[piemanz]

Pwener2313 wrote...

I...AM...KROGAN wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

ScepticMatt wrote...

@Pwener2313: PLEASE don't turn this into a religious thread
/Edit: Atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist. If you believe atheism is a religion, not-collecting stamps is a hobby.

http://debunkingathe...s-religion.html

Now back on topic please......

Some atheists treat it as a religion. Most, however simply don't believe in gods. Since you aren't one, it would be appreciated if you didn't assume to know what goes on in other people's minds and put words in their mouths. Thanks.

Oh, and in case you're wondering, I don't actively disbelieve in gods anymore than I actively disbelieve in ghosts, santa, invisible pink unicorns or giant teapots near the orbit of Mars. In other words, the burden of proof is on you.

Im not putting words in anyone's mouths. If they want to discredit my belief, fine, but I get to do it to them too.

Theres nothing wrong with having faith but bringing god into a scientific discussion AND basicly denying evolution is going to get you flamed.

Personelly i'm an agnostic, i dont beleive in god but i dont deny there is the possiblilty there could be one, since it's not been proven or disproven.What i don't beleive in is religion, but each to their own.

Modifié par piemanz, 01 avril 2011 - 01:43 .