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[Mynoot]

armass wrote...

Mynoot wrote...

armass wrote...

Maybe now it's kinda impossible, but who knows if it is still in couple of thousand years

In a couple thousand years, the human race is likely to be extinct.  Hopefully, they can come up with something long before that.

Don't be such a pessimist...

It doesn't take much, given the rate of population growth and the competition for earth's dwindling resources, the poisoning of our habitat in a closed system, I don't think we'll survive a thousand years.  

[armass]

Mynoot wrote...

armass wrote...

Mynoot wrote...

armass wrote...

Maybe now it's kinda impossible, but who knows if it is still in couple of thousand years

In a couple thousand years, the human race is likely to be extinct.  Hopefully, they can come up with something long before that.

Don't be such a pessimist...

It doesn't take much, given the rate of population growth and the competition for earth's dwindling resources, the poisoning of our habitat in a closed system, I don't think we'll survive a thousand years.  

Yeah it might be we do end up like the majority of drell, if we don't start to think a little about the future.

[Adugan]

Faster than light is scientifically impossible. However, faster than darkness travel is possible.

[Whatever42]

Mynoot wrote...

armass wrote...

Mynoot wrote...

armass wrote...

Maybe now it's kinda impossible, but who knows if it is still in couple of thousand years

In a couple thousand years, the human race is likely to be extinct.  Hopefully, they can come up with something long before that.

Don't be such a pessimist...

It doesn't take much, given the rate of population growth and the competition for earth's dwindling resources, the poisoning of our habitat in a closed system, I don't think we'll survive a thousand years.  

Actually, the growth of our population is slowing down. They think by the middle of this century that our population may actually start to decline. With a smaller population, we will have fewer resource and pollution problems. If we can ever make solar and biofuel technology economically feasible then suddenly we have infinite energy.

No reason to be pessimistic.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Mynoot wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Enigma is right; that's what I was trying to say. These things, tachyons, negative energy/mass, and the like are pure math work. They have no say outside the paper and equations.

I think their might be too much reliance on math to prove things.  I'm not saying everyone thinks math is always right, but there is a faction that does. Math has fallacies and humans had to give reason to support that hole.

No one thinks that just because something is possible within the math that its true. That's why we have theoretical physics and experimental physics. The theorists propose things and the experimental physists try to make predictions using those theories and then test those predictions. If you can't make predictions and test them with a theory, its largely consider fanciful until it can be tested.

Exactly. Math simply opens the door for us; it doesn't walk us through that door. This is something we are always left to deal with ourselves, hence the existence of fields like theoretical physics, quantum physics, cosmology, etc. The beautiful thing about this is we've still managed to come a long way. More and more I'm eager to witness just how far ahead we could go.

[Praetor Knight]

ReconTeam wrote...

Everybody has theories. If we don't kill ourselves off in a spectacular manner maybe we'll figure something out.

Or Mother nature for that matter.

[Mynoot]

Actually, the growth of our population is slowing down. They think by the middle of this century that our population may actually start to decline. With a smaller population, we will have fewer resource and pollution problems. If we can ever make solar and biofuel technology economically feasible then suddenly we have infinite energy.

Theory is good in a classroom. Real life tends to not follow. 

Square peg, round hole type problem.

Modifié par Mynoot, 01 avril 2011 - 04:53 .

[SomeKindaEnigma]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Mynoot wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Enigma is right; that's what I was trying to say. These things, tachyons, negative energy/mass, and the like are pure math work. They have no say outside the paper and equations.

I think their might be too much reliance on math to prove things.  I'm not saying everyone thinks math is always right, but there is a faction that does. Math has fallacies and humans had to give reason to support that hole.

No one thinks that just because something is possible within the math that its true. That's why we have theoretical physics and experimental physics. The theorists propose things and the experimental physists try to make predictions using those theories and then test those predictions. If you can't make predictions and test them with a theory, its largely consider fanciful until it can be tested.

Exactly. Math simply opens the door for us; it doesn't walk us through that door. This is something we are always left to deal with ourselves, hence the existence of fields like theoretical physics, quantum physics, cosmology, etc. The beautiful thing about this is we've still managed to come a long way. More and more I'm eager to witness just how far ahead we could go.

Yes, theoretical physics is just that, theory.  However, a large number of topics (not everything) in quantum physics and cosmology have been seen to hold true in experiments and observed.

[himmelgeher]

Mynoot wrote...

armass wrote...

Maybe now it's kinda impossible, but who knows if it is still in couple of thousand years

In a couple thousand years, the human race is likely to be extinct.  Hopefully, they can come up with something long before that.  Hell, even a couple hundred years will probably be too late.

There's this "Hawking" guy who would disagree.

[Mynoot]

himmelgeher wrote...

Mynoot wrote...

armass wrote...

Maybe now it's kinda impossible, but who knows if it is still in couple of thousand years

In a couple thousand years, the human race is likely to be extinct.  Hopefully, they can come up with something long before that.  Hell, even a couple hundred years will probably be too late.

There's this "Hawking" guy who would disagree.

Disagree with what?  Hawking simply confirmed that if we don't find a solution, we're all dead in a couple hundred years. That is what I have been saying and I'm not even a physicist.

http://www.guardian....-colonise-space

And even if we do start to colonize, there is no life supporting planets or moons within reach. We'll still be populating a closed, artificial environment system.

Human behavior will need to change to make this possible and that is infinitly impossible.

Modifié par Mynoot, 01 avril 2011 - 05:27 .

[Bogsnot1]

Adugan wrote...

Faster than light is scientifically impossible. However, faster than darkness travel is possible.

Actually, the speed of dark is faster than the speed of light, because it has to get out of lights way when it arrives.*


*Another Discworld reference for Whatever666343431431654324

[MrObnoxiousUK]

Lightspeed is impossible with current extant theorys,however who is to say those theorys are correct.Throughout the course of human history and developent we have challenged the boundarys of established doctrine and theory and that has become the new doctrine untill that was overturned ect......do you see what i am getting at,we arrogantly think it cannot be done due to our our blinkered levels of todays knowledge and understanding.

[Therefore_I_Am]

Mynoot wrote...

himmelgeher wrote...

Mynoot wrote...

armass wrote...

Maybe now it's kinda impossible, but who knows if it is still in couple of thousand years

In a couple thousand years, the human race is likely to be extinct.  Hopefully, they can come up with something long before that.  Hell, even a couple hundred years will probably be too late.

There's this "Hawking" guy who would disagree.

Disagree with what?  Hawking simply confirmed that if we don't find a solution, we're all dead in a couple hundred years:

http://www.guardian....-colonise-space

And even if we do start to colonize, there is no life supporting planets or moons within reach. We'll still be populating a closed system, albeit, an artificial environment.

If anything people are dying at the same rate as people are being born right as we speak. And the human race will never be extinct; we are really stubborn when it comes to survival and we have technology to back us up. I wouldn't be surprised if we engineered new wildernesses with fast growing plants and cloned animals to help us survive, as well as maintain the biosphere of our planet.

[Mynoot]

If anything people are dying at the same rate as people are being born right as we speak.

Are you sure of that? All the graphs I've seen show growth and I believe that takes into account death rates.

Most of the graphs don't show leveling until 2150.

And the human race will never be extinct; we are really stubborn when it comes to survival and we have technology to back us up. I wouldn't be surprised if we engineered new wildernesses with fast growing plants and cloned animals to help us survive, as well as maintain the biosphere of our planet.

That will create further resource competition to fight over.

Who do you think the have nots will be blaming and attacking?

Modifié par Mynoot, 01 avril 2011 - 05:32 .

[Whereto]

"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin." — Cardinal Robert Bellarmine

I love that quote for one reason, it shows current understand does not necessarily mean that's true and ever holding. Just because your current understanding does not allow it, it does not mean it's not true. So get over it, and it's science fiction... Want a loading screen of 4 years or something you don't full understand

[Tarek]

OK the forums 100 years ago:

OP says: "flight is impossible, but that crazy guy Vern says, you can make submarines and planes and crap like that, what a nerd"

forums 1000 years ago:

OP says:" The world is flat, but some heretic sciences say its round, wtf is wrong with them, how can you stand on a sphere LOL."

forums 50 years from now:

OP says:" Traveling to Andromeda is impossible, cause our FTL drives are not fast enough, but some idiot student at MIT said that we can use quantum leap drives to do it."

I think I just proved my point, don't be like the morons that believed 100% they knew everything their is to know, cause now YOU laugh at them, they are the ones that said we can't fly or the earth is flat or cancer is incurable.

in a 100 years our world will be changed so much if u time travel to it you will think your on an alien world.

Modifié par Tarek, 01 avril 2011 - 05:45 .

[armass]

Mynoot wrote...

himmelgeher wrote...

Mynoot wrote...

armass wrote...

Maybe now it's kinda impossible, but who knows if it is still in couple of thousand years

In a couple thousand years, the human race is likely to be extinct.  Hopefully, they can come up with something long before that.  Hell, even a couple hundred years will probably be too late.

There's this "Hawking" guy who would disagree.

Disagree with what?  Hawking simply confirmed that if we don't find a solution, we're all dead in a couple hundred years. That is what I have been saying and I'm not even a physicist.

http://www.guardian....-colonise-space

And even if we do start to colonize, there is no life supporting planets or moons within reach. We'll still be populating a closed, artificial environment system.

Human behavior will need to change to make this possible and that is infinitly impossible.

So what you are saying is that there's no hope and we should just sit back and die? Dangerous attitude.

Modifié par armass, 01 avril 2011 - 06:06 .

[Naltair]

Obviously we need to find the drill that will pierce the Heavens.

[habitat 67]

Mynoot wrote...

It doesn't take much, given the rate of population growth and the competition for earth's dwindling resources, the poisoning of our habitat in a closed system, I don't think we'll survive a thousand years.  

It's almost time for Reaperization.

[Mynoot]

armass wrote...

Mynoot wrote...

himmelgeher wrote...

Mynoot wrote...

armass wrote...

Maybe now it's kinda impossible, but who knows if it is still in couple of thousand years

In a couple thousand years, the human race is likely to be extinct.  Hopefully, they can come up with something long before that.  Hell, even a couple hundred years will probably be too late.

There's this "Hawking" guy who would disagree.

Disagree with what?  Hawking simply confirmed that if we don't find a solution, we're all dead in a couple hundred years. That is what I have been saying and I'm not even a physicist.

http://www.guardian....-colonise-space

And even if we do start to colonize, there is no life supporting planets or moons within reach. We'll still be populating a closed, artificial environment system.

Human behavior will need to change to make this possible and that is infinitly impossible.

So what you are saying is that there's no hope and we should just sit back and die? Dangerous atttude.

The best we can do, imo, is to move a small, I mean infinitesimally small with respect to the whole, portion of the human race to another location before the one we are in dies from our own abuse.  But this is approaching virus behavior. Remember agent Smith's dialog with Morpheus?

I don't believe in miracles.  I believe the human race is capable if it wants, but in the 47 years I've been alive, I haven't seen the human race exhibit such desire to change.

Modifié par Mynoot, 01 avril 2011 - 06:09 .

[himmelgeher]

Mynoot wrote...

himmelgeher wrote...

Mynoot wrote...

armass wrote...

Maybe now it's kinda impossible, but who knows if it is still in couple of thousand years

In a couple thousand years, the human race is likely to be extinct.  Hopefully, they can come up with something long before that.  Hell, even a couple hundred years will probably be too late.

There's this "Hawking" guy who would disagree.

Disagree with what?  Hawking simply confirmed that if we don't find a solution, we're all dead in a couple hundred years. That is what I have been saying and I'm not even a physicist.

http://www.guardian....-colonise-space

And even if we do start to colonize, there is no life supporting planets or moons within reach. We'll still be populating a closed, artificial environment system.

Human behavior will need to change to make this possible and that is infinitly impossible.

Way to completly misrepresent what he said. He was saying that if we can make it to space (the moon, mars, etc) and colonize, the human race is essentially locked in. You seem to think that every single person on the planet is a bastard-coated bastard with bastard filling. While this is true for about 3/4 of the world's population, there are enough good people out there the species can last long enough to at least colonize the moon.

[dreman9999]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Demigod wrote...

Been a while since i did physics isnt it no object can reach / travel at light speed, but a particle can travel faster?

Light is bascially a collection of photons.  Photons are particles.  Light cannot travel faster than the speed of light.  Therefore, particles cannot travel faster than the speed of light.

No one realise that the test and theary is based on a friction able environment. Not a vacuum that  no way to stop something or risist ageint something?

[Mynoot]

himmelgeher wrote...

Mynoot wrote...

himmelgeher wrote...

Mynoot wrote...

armass wrote...

Maybe now it's kinda impossible, but who knows if it is still in couple of thousand years

In a couple thousand years, the human race is likely to be extinct.  Hopefully, they can come up with something long before that.  Hell, even a couple hundred years will probably be too late.

There's this "Hawking" guy who would disagree.

Disagree with what?  Hawking simply confirmed that if we don't find a solution, we're all dead in a couple hundred years. That is what I have been saying and I'm not even a physicist.

http://www.guardian....-colonise-space

And even if we do start to colonize, there is no life supporting planets or moons within reach. We'll still be populating a closed, artificial environment system.

Human behavior will need to change to make this possible and that is infinitly impossible.

Way to completly misrepresent what he said.

It may not be what he represents, but it is the result in the end. If we cannot get to space and colonize successfully, we are going to end.  Therefore, I misrepresented nothing.

He was saying that if we can make it to space (the moon, mars, etc) and colonize, the human race is essentially locked in.

Correct, if we make it there before killing ourselves for the scraps and spoils of this world.

You seem to think that every single person on the planet is a bastard-coated bastard with bastard filling. While this is true for about 3/4 of the world's population, there are enough good people out there the species can last long enough to at least colonize the moon.

Three fourth's of the world's population can totally wipe out the remaining 1/4 and itself, especially if they have the guns, which they kind of do.

I'm saying, it will require a major change in human behavior, one that completely casts off our primodial instinct to compete fiercely and violently for resources, even in this day when people practice scorched earth policies when they feel their culture or lives are ending in favor of a few that deemed themselve more worthy.

That is the only way we'll survive long enough to make it to space.

Modifié par Mynoot, 01 avril 2011 - 06:39 .

[armass]

I actually think the good people represent the 3/4 th. Im a believer in humanity.

[CmdrKankrelat]

Right now we don't think FTL is possible. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I'm skeptical of it, but I always keep two things in mind:

(1) The universe itself often proves us too pessimistic/limited in our conceptions.

(2) Lord Kelvin said there would never be a heavier-than-air aircraft. Today we can zip around the world in Boeing 747s.

And often, humans prove themselves too pessimistic. I don't buy the whole environmentalist sob-story "we're killing the earth" crap. Yeah there's not another "garden world" nearby, but there's plenty of bodies that have resources, and a handy thing called the asteroid belt. Frankly, I couldn't give two sh*** about the Earth. It's the rock that I live on. It's a very nice rock, but it isn't my mother, and I don't owe it anything just as it doesn't owe me anything back. Though, I do recycle, pick garbage up off the ground, and I enjoy gardening and a good walk in the woods. Just because I'd be ultimately happy living in a Blade Runner/Avatar-type Earth and don't really think much of nature, doesn't mean I don't enjoy it at times.