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armass wrote...

I actually think the good people represent the 3/4 th. Im a believer in humanity.


I'd like to believe too. I'd also like to believe in a god or afterlife.

Don't really care about the Easter Bunny though.

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armass wrote...

I actually think the good people represent the 3/4 th. Im a believer in humanity.


Seconded!  I've run across a lot of "doomer" crap on the internet.  Some of that turns people into hard-core pessimists and fatalists.  It engendered in me the complete opposite change: I don't want to be like those people.  I'm an optimist.  I take my raincoat out, to be sure, but I'm an optimist nonetheless. 

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Mynoot wrote...

I'd like to believe too. I'd also like to believe in a god or afterlife.

Don't really care about the Easter Bunny though.



What led you to think this way (I understand if you don't want to answer that - could be personal, and I've got no business there)?

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CmdrKankrelat wrote...

Mynoot wrote...

I'd like to believe too. I'd also like to believe in a god or afterlife.

Don't really care about the Easter Bunny though.



What led you to think this way (I understand if you don't want to answer that - could be personal, and I've got no business there)?


Yeah, it does start to get too personal.  Let's just leave it at, I simply find no evidence to the contrary in that part of human behavior that actually changes the world. Sure, we've had inventions to make life easier, but many of those have been made as a result of or converted to weapons of warfare.

Kind of amazing and disheartening that one of the first things we do with an invention is to see how it will tip the balance of social and political power. Just an evolved mammalian power play.

While I admit I am a pessimist, I hope my pessimism might spur someone to actually help the world avoid such a fate.  If that were to happen, I would rekindle my faith in humanity.

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Tarek wrote...

OK the forums 100 years ago:

OP says: "flight is impossible, but that crazy guy Vern says, you can make submarines and planes and crap like that, what a nerd"

forums 1000 years ago:

OP says:" The world is flat, but some heretic sciences say its round, wtf is wrong with them, how can you stand on a sphere LOL."

forums 50 years from now:

OP says:" Traveling to Andromeda is impossible, cause our FTL drives are not fast enough, but some idiot student at MIT said that we can use quantum leap drives to do it."

I think I just proved my point, don't be like the morons that believed 100% they knew everything their is to know, cause now YOU laugh at them, they are the ones that said we can't fly or the earth is flat or cancer is incurable.

in a 100 years our world will be changed so much if u time travel to it you will think your on an alien world.


Um, (military) submarines have existed since the late 18th century. Nobody doubted their existence 100 years ago.

A mistake a lot of people make is assuming that because we were ignorant of facts in the past that means we're just as ignorant today. Is science perfect? Of course not. Does it answer every question we have about the universe? No, and we obviously have a lot to learn. But we do have verified theories about many subjects. Relativity isn't suddenly going  to be overturned. It is continuously observed due to our GPS system. That's in addition to tons of other experiments that have taken place. The math holds up on anything other than quantum level.

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I see most arguments have been said.
Last thing I want to emphasize is: "Nothing is impossible!"

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Got nothing relevant to add to this topic, but just had to post in the same thread where Pwener2313 of the Bioware Social Network called Charles Darwin an idiot.

Edit - And confused him with Stephen Hawking in the same post :lol:

Modifié par Rivercurse, 01 avril 2011 - 12:35 .


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I also have nothing else to add than my final thoughts on the matter. And that is as long as we we will survive our childhood as a species, we will eventually find the way. Space is the future, either that or grave.

Modifié par armass, 01 avril 2011 - 12:49 .


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A number of people have said that quantum mechanics has never been proven/verified; I should point out that a LOT of QM is much more than mathematical framework, and has been observed in laboratory experiments. For instance, the Stern-Gerlach experiment, which dealt with spectral decomposition and the deflection of particles in a magnetic field. There's actually plenty of experiments which verified properties and the mathematics put forth by QM, that one was just the first I could think of.

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Why should Einstein be right? All we have is theory and that may very well be wrong.

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It is possible with an Alcubierre Drive

Your spaceship does not move at the speed of light, but you contract space/time infront of you and expand the space /time behind you. Hence, you create a bubble in the universe that moves beyond relativistic speed, but within that bubble, you dont move. Not breaking any laws, but you need a redicule amount of energy, and it is not known (yet) how to make a bubble and break free of it.

http://en.wikipedia....lcubierre_drive

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Swerodent wrote...

Why should Einstein be right? All we have is theory and that may very well be wrong.


I seem to recall he claimed the speed of light was a constant, which have been disprooved, so...

yeah....

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SalsaDMA wrote...

Swerodent wrote...

Why should Einstein be right? All we have is theory and that may very well be wrong.


I seem to recall he claimed the speed of light was a constant, which have been disprooved, so...

yeah....


His thoery did stipulate some conditions, like being in a vacumm.

So, under what conditions was he proven wrong?

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Swerodent wrote...

Why should Einstein be right? All we have is theory and that may very well be wrong.


The time dialation effect has been proven.

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Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

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What about tachyons or are those no longer around?


Completely hypothetical particle. It's in the same book as wormholes, string theory, alternate universes, and unicorns.


The same was said of blackholes...it just took time to prove they existed.

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NICKjnp wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Seraphithan wrote...
What about tachyons or are those no longer around?

Completely hypothetical particle. It's in the same book as wormholes, string theory, alternate universes, and unicorns.

The same was said of blackholes...it just took time to prove they existed.

Yup, that's true. Black holes were first predicted mathematically, then they were verified observationally some time later.

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Powgow wrote...

It is possible with an Alcubierre Drive


I know this one. It's one of the top FTL theories, but still impossible until they can meet the conditions that prevent it from working.

And the ridiculous amount of energy cited is greater than the mass of the universe, making it more impossible.

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Tazzmission wrote...

its not impossible. we already put a team of people on mars and russia is gona go there in 2015-2020


Wait, what?

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Swerodent wrote...

Why should Einstein be right? All we have is theory and that may very well be wrong.


Why should Kepler be right? All we have is theory that the Earth orbits the sun and that may very well be wrong. :whistle:

See how easy that is?

Either you accept evidence or not. That's your choice to make. But please realize, whatever you decide has no bearing on the actual nature of the universe. There are observable facts. Theory is used to explain those facts, not establish them.

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Mynoot wrote...

If anything people are dying at the same rate as people are being born right as we speak.


Are you sure of that? All the graphs I've seen show growth and I believe that takes into account death rates.

Most of the graphs don't show leveling until 2150.


With what's happening in the middle east and in the near future, it will in fact tip the scale in favor of deaths. Will this mean the end of humanity? No, because we always find a way around such things. An ice age, black death, toxic elements, we have all survived. If anything we can also survive a nuclear war, and it will not make us any more disorganized, in fact, it will pull us more to our senses (in a lesson learned kind of way) and make us hardier, and tougher as a species.

Mynoot wrote...

And the human race will never be extinct; we are really stubborn when it comes to survival and we have technology to back us up. I wouldn't be surprised if we engineered new wildernesses with fast growing plants and cloned animals to help us survive, as well as maintain the biosphere of our planet.


That will create further resource competition to fight over.

Who do you think the have nots will be blaming and attacking?


War will always be unavoidable, doesn't matter which side wins because as a species we will keep on truckin. In fact war can be good since it culls the global population.
Think of the reasons why there are incurable diseases(AIDS & cancer), homosexuality, women with a bad uterus(unable to have children), and men who are impotent (can't produce sperm). It's the great design of nature, and it's method to keep the global population from exploding.

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FTL travel is impossible according to currently understood science.

At one time, manned flight was also understood to be impossible.

The issue is that, as you increase speed, your mass increases. As your mass increases, so does the amount of energy required to go faster. You get this asymptotic ratio where the amount of energy needed to accelerate more goes to infinity.

My rough, semi educated read of the situation in Mass Effect is that Element Zero reduces the rest mass of anything inside it's field on influence when the element zero is exposed to an electrical power source. Reduce your rest mass relative to the rest of the universe to zero and that lets you hit light speed. To exceed lightspeed requires scifi magic at this point.

There are some actual theories on how to achieve FTL and some math to support them, but right now the technology doesn't exist to utilize those theories.

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IntoTheDarkness wrote...








Or so says the theory of special relativity by Albert Einstein.

An object can travel in the speed of light from one place to anoher, but the object cannot 'intantly appear' on different locations because it defies  law of conservation since in the view of someone the object could disappear and not appear instantly. (even it it did for other observers.)



I wasn't careful with codexs, are there explanations regarding FTL travel? Can someone please post it?




disclaimer: I ain't an expert in the area. I'm only trying to discuss with common knowlege at hand.

reminder: no ignorant "this is just a game! " comment please. I ain't complaining or nitpicking. I just want to discuss the topic that I found interesting. 'This is just a game! why bother?" argement can dismiss discussions of about everything in the game.







Science fiction is the key here, it can defy the laws of sience because it's fiction. Think about it, travelling from the citadel to earth would take centuries at the speed it takes to get to mars today. (30 years)

Space travel is a good idea when you think "get a colony on mars in the next 50 years", but you'd never make it out of the solar system if you attempted to.

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Plot devicium can do anything. Is the Mass Effect version of plot devicium internally consistent? I don't know. Do I care? Not really. It serves the story well enough, that's all that really matters. Even though the name of the series is "Mass Effect", the actual concept of mass effect science is really not that important to me. It's a space subway, thats it. And it's blue and glowy, which is nice.

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Ty2011 wrote...

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just out of curiosity and a theory of my own, but what if our universe started small but over the millions of years its expanding? we hear everyday on how its expanding the vastness of space...

The Universe is expanding... it will either expand forever or *crunch*.


IMO, black holes......puts on glasses....

Really suck



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JKoopman wrote...

Technically speaking, the mass effect would account for a spacecraft being capable of traveling AT the speed of light. But reducing a ship's mass--even to zero--wouldn't allow it to travel FASTER than light. You'd need some kind of wormhole for that to occur, and that's not really FTL so much as it is teleportation.



I wonder if eezo can make your mass negative.....this might allow FTL.