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[Kim Shepard]

So true. In a way, it made me happy not to have the DLC. But that hug. >_< It would have been perfect if they had a choice of three options instead of a required action - a kiss (for romanced Shepards), a hug, and a handshake. No extra dialogue needed, just one more animation. The rest of the Illium dialogue was fine.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

True, my mainshep felt the same way. But before I go off topic on my own thread...

There are a few Garrus fans who aren't big on Tali. But are there any Tali fans who don't like Garrus? I sure as hell haven't met any.

[Nodscouter]

Neither have I, it's an interesting question.

[Homebound]

its become a statistical impossibility to like one and hate the other.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

So it seems... Which is why I ask the question, why is it usually the case that if you love one, you usually love the other too?

Because they are both so awesome!

[Alienmorph]

"We're awesome... deal with it."

Modifié par Alienmorph, 03 avril 2011 - 10:19 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Yeah! Needs more team dextro pics!

Because cowboy hats NEVER go out of style. Even in the far future

[jeweledleah]

Hellbound555 wrote...

its become a statistical impossibility to like one and hate the other.

this has been disproven in this very thread.

at a minimum, there are plenty of people who like one and don't much care for the other.

unless you are trying to claim that they are a dextro version of virmire survivor?  you know those 2 very different characters that writers have rolled into this strange single entity in ME2?

personalitywise, Garrus and Tali have very little in common.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 03 avril 2011 - 10:29 .

[Capt_Flashheart]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

True, my mainshep felt the same way. But before I go off topic on my own thread...

There are a few Garrus fans who aren't big on Tali. But are there any Tali fans who don't like Garrus? I sure as hell haven't met any.

Hating Garrus is like writing with a blunt pencil: I just don't see the point. But then again I don't love him either. As a man, my emotional feelings for Garrus are...restrained. I value Garrus; I respect him, trust him and appreciate him. I don't want him to leave but it's all professional. Tali is the only character who got past my emotional wall. Hell, she pretty much blew a giant hole in it on her way through. Now I'm extremely vunerable to girls that remind me of Tali, thanks Bioware!
BTW am I the only one that thinks the alliance between Tali and Garrus fans is mutually beneficial in getting both of them back for ME3? Maybe some people maintain good relations with the other group because it's in their interests to have a whole extra fan base supporting the return of their favourite character. All they have in return is support the other groups character.  It also pays to have another fan base for support in tough situations.

Modifié par Capt_Flashheart, 03 avril 2011 - 12:44 .

[Alienmorph]

jeweledleah wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

its become a statistical impossibility to like one and hate the other.

this has been disproven in this very thread.

at a minimum, there are plenty of people who like one and don't much care for the other.

unless you are trying to claim that they are a dextro version of virmire survivor?  you know those 2 very different characters that writers have rolled into this strange single entity in ME2?

personalitywise, Garrus and Tali have very little in common.

Still, "not caring much" is far from hating one of them. Also, I don't think that the point of the threat is making them an equivalent of the VS duo. First of all, you're not forced to left to die one of them, at least not yet... but who know what will happen with those damned reapers incoming?

Modifié par Alienmorph, 03 avril 2011 - 10:36 .

[GodWood]

I like Garrus
I'm not a fan of Tali (more accurately I was indifferent to her in ME1 and hated what she became in ME2)

Modifié par GodWood, 03 avril 2011 - 10:38 .

[Alienmorph]

GodWood wrote...

I like Garrus
I'm not a fan of Tali

But neither you do "I wanna spit her out of the airlock" stuffs, right? That was my point.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Saw a broodmother Tali sig that you were on about earlier Alien... Back to the blunt pencil: What's the point?

And I too found that Garrus and Tali's personalities have very little in common, and yet the 'Team dextro' thing is everywhere. I believe it all stems from loyalty, however. And the fanbases both supporting each other to get them both back in ME3 may be a factor too Flashheart. By the way Flashheart, your a guy? Didn't you say you had funny bumps Or were you referring to someone else?

[Nodscouter]

Capt_Flashheart wrote...

As a man, my emotional feelings for Garrus are...restrained

Let it be known that this man does not speak for all men!

[Alienmorph]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...
Saw a broodmother Tali sig that you were on about earlier Alien... Back to the blunt pencil: What's the point?

And still that is one of "funnier", surely better than the "I support Tali's headshot" ones 

[Capt_Flashheart]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

By the way Flashheart, your a guy? Didn't you say you had funny bumps Or were you referring to someone else?

I was refering to Golden Owl when I said you weren't the only one. She mentioned she was a she a few posts above mine. Didn't you think it would be a little wierd for a girl to post some of the stuff I've said on the Tali thread? I must have come across as a raging lesbian for a few moments there. XD

Edit: Just found this oldie on Clan Zorah. Note the honorable mentions of the "Kingdom of Garrus" which show how Garrus and Tali's fans go back a long way.
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SirEmileCrane wrote...

Whipped this up as part of the chronicles of our empire, and what we once had.

The golden age under Emperor Buddha couldn't last. Jealous of the Empire's power, even in their divided state, the lesser fandoms fell to the whispers of the anti Tali alliance. Its secret ruler Chris Priestly was slowly building an alliance against them. He sent his top general, the feared Woo the bloody one to destroy their empire. A great host of smaller fandoms bribed with the promise of a share of the riches of the Empire joined his army. In the end all that stood with the Empire was the Kingdom of Garrus.

They met in glorious battle, and great were the deeds done that day. The Emperor himself took to the field and cut a swathe through the foe, but it wasn't enough. With a great cry of "End of Line!" Woo's forces sacked the Empire capital, eventually burning it to the ground, diverting a river over where it once stood and salting the earth for miles around.

The Kingdom of Garrus surrendered and were occupied and Woo levied a great tribute from all the fandoms, the were deceived, for they received nothing but economic ruin. As for the remnants of the Empire, they fled to the sea, where a fleet commanded by JL and Collider, dispatched by Emperor Tran saved them. They came to the lands of TZF, forever losing their foothold in BSN.

A puppet state was set up by the Anti Tali Allaince, but their power was limited and their ruler was corrupt. The other fandoms were crushed under Woo's boot, threatened into submission.

The land of BSN descended into a new Dark Age, under Supreme Emperor Priestly and his viscous General Stanley Woo.

Whipped this up as part of the chronicles of our empire, and what we once had.

The golden age under Emperor Buddha couldn't last. Jealous of the Empire's power, even in their divided state, the lesser fandoms fell to the whispers of the anti Tali alliance. Its secret ruler Chris Priestly was slowly building an alliance against them. He sent his top general, the feared Woo the bloody one to destroy their empire. A great host of smaller fandoms bribed with the promise of a share of the riches of the Empire joined his army. In the end all that stood with the Empire was the Kingdom of Garrus.

They met in glorious battle, and great were the deeds done that day. The Emperor himself took to the field and cut a swathe through the foe, but it wasn't enough. With a great cry of "End of Line!" Woo's forces sacked the Empire capital, eventually burning it to the ground, diverting a river over where it once stood and salting the earth for miles around.

The Kingdom of Garrus surrendered and were occupied and Woo levied a great tribute from all the fandoms, the were deceived, for they received nothing but economic ruin. As for the remnants of the Empire, they fled to the sea, where a fleet commanded by JL and Collider, dispatched by Emperor Tran saved them. They came to the lands of TZF, forever losing their foothold in BSN.

A puppet state was set up by the Anti Tali Allaince, but their power was limited and their ruler was corrupt. The other fandoms were crushed under Woo's boot, threatened into submission.

The land of BSN descended into a new Dark Age, under Supreme Emperor Priestly and his viscous General Stanley Woo.

Modifié par Capt_Flashheart, 03 avril 2011 - 01:12 .

[Leonia]

For me, they are the most reliable team-mates for any Shepard that isn't comfortable with Cerberus. Yeah we get a lot of other aliens and non-Cerberus lovers but they're "new" to the team and after going through the trauma of dieing and being left out of the loop for two years, some Shepards are going to have trust and loyalty issues with people they don't know. There is that adorkable factor as well but the general feeling of "I've got your back still" really holds a lot of weight. I generally have one or the other in my party at all times, often times both of them. It just feels like Tali and Garrus are the only real family Shepard has, they are the only two individuals that Shepard can count on absolutely. They also have very likeable personalities and useful skills in and out of combat so they feel more.. fleshed out and three-dimensional than other characters. Plus the banter betweeen them is great fun.

Modifié par leonia42, 03 avril 2011 - 01:01 .

[Nodscouter]

*Claps* Bravo leonia, bravo. Great speech.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Haha, I like that Flashheart! Very good, and perhaps Emperor Buddha and Collider should go on the Tali thread more Hehe.

Completely agree Leonia. And all my Shepards but one despise Cerberus. I'm guilty of playing Shepards according to my personality, and I think that aliens have as much of a right in the galaxy as humanity in terms of dominance. Although TIM is badass!

And it is obvious that both of them don't like Cerberus (especially after the sidequests in ME1.) And the fact that they STILL follow Shepard really shows a lot on there behalf.

But I still have yet to find a Tali fan that doesn't like Garrus...

[lovgreno]

leonia42 wrote...

For me, they are the most reliable team-mates for any Shepard that isn't comfortable with Cerberus. Yeah we get a lot of other aliens and non-Cerberus lovers but they're "new" to the team and after going through the trauma of dieing and being left out of the loop for two years, some Shepards are going to have trust and loyalty issues with people they don't know. There is that adorkable factor as well but the general feeling of "I've got your back still" really holds a lot of weight. I generally have one or the other in my party at all times, often times both of them. It just feels like Tali and Garrus are the only real family Shepard has, they are the only two individuals that Shepard can count on absolutely. They also have very likeable personalities and useful skills in and out of combat so they feel more.. fleshed out and three-dimensional than other characters. Plus the banter betweeen them is great fun.

Well said!
Funny that the only three people Shepard realy can trust are aliens: Garrus, Tali and Wrex.
Tali and Garrus dislikes Failberus for different, but reasonable from their own point of wievs, reasons. I think Garrus have a understanding for the "do what have to be done" methods, but the reason he would prefer them gone anyway is the isolationism and failtastic whacky experiments. As a quarian Tali are of necesity very protective of her own people so the clumsy attack on the flotilla is a good reason for her to dislike TIMmys gang of redshirts.

[Nodscouter]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

And the fact that they STILL follow Shepard really shows a lot on there behalf.

But I still have yet to find a Tali fan that doesn't like Garrus...

The grammar.... it hurts.
And yea, haven't heard of any Tali-fans that are also Garrus-haters, or even Garrus-dislikers.

Modifié par Nodscouter, 03 avril 2011 - 05:14 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Hey! I type too fast to care about my grammar. Also, you have a misplaced apostrophe at the beginning of your post.

And Cerberus' experiments were often vile, and a lot of them did have TIMs (and probably even Mirandas) hands in them. And yeah, Shepards trust in aliens is rather ironic, especially as she/he 'works' with Cerberus. But it seems from this thread that trust and loyalty really goes a long way for Team Dextro.

[stuboy52]

since they were in me1 we know them well as we enter me2 and the character is further developed as i think the mass effect continuing story over many games pays well with great extensive character development. with that garrus is my favourite squad mate just for the male shep bromance while i still like tali as she should loyalty to what shephard is doing unlike the virmire survivor

[Destroy Raiden_]

leonia42 wrote...

For me, they are the most reliable team-mates for any Shepard that isn't comfortable with Cerberus. Yeah we get a lot of other aliens and non-Cerberus lovers but they're "new" to the team and after going through the trauma of dieing and being left out of the loop for two years, some Shepards are going to have trust and loyalty issues with people they don't know. There is that adorkable factor as well but the general feeling of "I've got your back still" really holds a lot of weight. I generally have one or the other in my party at all times, often times both of them. It just feels like Tali and Garrus are the only real family Shepard has, they are the only two individuals that Shepard can count on absolutely. They also have very likeable personalities and useful skills in and out of combat so they feel more.. fleshed out and three-dimensional than other characters. Plus the banter betweeen them is great fun.

I can agree. I can't go anywhere w/o one of them being on my team at all times and they always come with me when the boss battle occurs we are the strongest when we're together I think. I also feel for them when they have a plight occurring, Tali says she's on trial and I'm trying to keep calm and ask the right questions to get more info from her. Gaurus doesn't think I'll help him with Sidonis and I'm like, " It's you Garrus, why wouldn't I help?" The only time I let Tali go back to the ship alone was with the SB showdown because it was very iffy we had zero intel and her past relations with the SB I thought would indanger her more in a personal way so I took Garrus with me and Liara.

Speaking of SB did anyone not read their profiles the first playthrough or more because it was them? Or did you dive right in guilt free? 

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 03 avril 2011 - 07:09 .

[jacobOriley]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

 The only time I let Tali go back to the ship alone was with the SB showdown because it was very iffy we had zero intel and her past relations with the SB I thought would indanger her more in a personal way so I took Garrus with me and Liara.

Speaking of SB did anyone not read their profiles the first playthrough or more because it was them? Or did you dive right in guilt free? 

Both Garrus and Tali performed well on the SB mission.  Yep, dove right in to see what the Shadow Broker had on them.