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[Shasow]

*[Spoiler Warning]*


Which should I choose? Should I destroy the anvil (Caridin's side) and get dwarves as my ally in the final fight or should I not destroy the anvil (Branka's side) and get dwarves and golems as my ally in the final fight?

[Lugwy]

Depends.

Golems are worth armies, but whether you think it's best to leave the art of golem-making to a woman who was willing to sacrifice anything and everything to get it is up to you.

Modifié par Lugwy, 31 mars 2011 - 10:13 .

[Shasow]

Well, I really like the idea of having golems at my camp and in my army, but I know the right thing to do is destroy the Anvil.

[MKDAWUSS]

You won't miss the golems. I know I never did.

[Shasow]

Do the golems show up in your camp?

[Chigusa]

No, no golems in your camp, 'cause they are "produced" by the dwarves so there is the dwarf but not golems at your camp.

[Shasow]

Okay...good I didn't help Branka then.

[PrettyVacant]

I prefer siding with Caridin. The golems are kinda redundant; I never really needed them in the final battle. When you side with Branka, the epilogue regarding Orzammar is somewhat depressing.

Plus, Branka is bat**** crazy.

[Jedimaster88]

In that situation I always think it like this: Should I support the person who is obsessed with the anvil and makes disgusting decisions ( allowing women to come broodmothers instead of giving them a quick and painless death and sacrifices everyone with her to achieve her goals, no matter how they try to make her stop and see reason etc.), or should I support the person who actually created the anvil and knows better than anyone about how it works and what´s the cost for using it.... I always side with Caridin because I like to be a good guy.

[GSSAGE7]

I just can't side with Branka. Hell, who knows just how many Darkspawn she made while trying to go for the Anvil?

[Big I]

I always preserve the Anvil, it's the best way to help Orzammar.

[Mike3207]

I killed Caridin but convinced Branka to destroy the Anvil after she forged the crown. She seemed to realize she had made a mistake in pursuing the Anvil. She committed suicide by jumping into the lava after she destroyed the anvil-I had never seen that outcome before.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I've done both, and both outcomes have their pluses and minuses. If I spared the anvil, it is not because I dig Branka, but because I believe it is entirely too important to destroy.

[Last Darkness]

Either way you should side with Bhelen on the Throne. Its the best choice.

As for Golems or Legion....
Well I always go with Golems since as a Grey Warden they are more of a benefit against the Blight and Darkspawn then the Legion is. Afterall the Grey Wardens are tasked with Stopping the Blight by ANY means nessasary. This does not mean they are good guys.

Though if you want to play more of a "Good" guy what you need to actualy do is convince Branka to destroy the anvil herself and that whats shes doing is wrong.

[nicethugbert]

Both times that I played that quest, I sided with Bhelen and Branka and did not try to make her destroy the anvil, while playing "Paragon" through out the game. There are no clean immediate decisions in Orzamar. In the long term, it is best to have the Golems. I could see Bhelen accepting willing volunteers aware of the Anvil's nature and limiting who he would force under the Anvil to death row inmates. Sadly, some of those death row inmates could very well be people pushing for democracy. But, that would be far off into the future in the DA universe, if ever.

[Last Darkness]

greengoron89 wrote...

This is the single most difficult decision point in the game, in my humble opinion.

On one hand, you have an immensely powerful artifact that could be utilized to greatly bolster the offensive against the darkspawn. Any sensible Grey Warden would know the importance of preserving such a boon to their efforts.

Unfortunately, the issue is clouded by the presence of Branka, who has gone quite mad in her quest for the Anvil and is a danger to herself and others. Preserving the Anvil and entrusting it to someone like her is risky at best - and yet, no one save for her and Caridin could properly use it (and Caridin has already made up his mind).

So, do I preserve the Anvil and entrust it to a lunatic, or do I destroy the Anvil forever just to keep it out of her hands?

I'm on my fifth and final playthrough on DA:O, and I still haven't made up my mind as to what I'm going to do when I reach this point in the game.

Destroy it if you side with Harrowmont, Keep it if you side with Bhelen.  Are generaly the better outcomes.
You can also have Branka redeem herself and destroy the anvil herself (Probably best good scenario)

Anvil+Harrowmont = very very evil and bad.

[Jedimaster88]

Well if the dragon age wiki speaks the truth, preserving the anvil will bring trouble, no matter who is on the throne.

[gneisenau556]

I try to be diplomatic to my party so I sided with Branka (she is Oghren's wife), and then try to convince her to destroy it.

But honestly I wish you could set your sights on something than the petty kings of Orzammar and have Branka make a shield or something from the anvil.

[Last Darkness]

Jedimaster88 wrote...

Well if the dragon age wiki speaks the truth, preserving the anvil will bring trouble, no matter who is on the throne.

If theres any absolution to it.

Bhelen takes volenteers for the Golem Creation.

Harrowmont abducts and forces people to do it aginst their will.


I prefer Bhelen King, Anvil intact and Dagna at the Circle. Burkle stuck with no chantry built(which saves his life and his followers)

[Asch Lavigne]

You can side with Branka and still destroy the Anvil if you have a high enough coercion or persuade (whatever that skill was). I always chose to keep the Anvil, it fit the character I was playing.

I liked the whole Deep Roads part of the Dwarven part of the game except that Behlen and Harrowmont's political views never came into the picture. You had to chose a leader based solely on a he said this/ he said that concept. Only after the game did you find out anything, but that's a whole different topic.

[Jedimaster88]

Last Darkness wrote...

Jedimaster88 wrote...

Well if the dragon age wiki speaks the truth, preserving the anvil will bring trouble, no matter who is on the throne.

If theres any absolution to it.

Bhelen takes volenteers for the Golem Creation.

Harrowmont abducts and forces people to do it aginst their will.


I prefer Bhelen King, Anvil intact and Dagna at the Circle. Burkle stuck with no chantry built(which saves his life and his followers)

Is it true what the dragon age wiki says, that if Bhelen is on the throne and the anvil preserved, branka will eventually stop making golems but Bhelen doesnt accept that and tries to take the anvil by force, but will not get it and something happens.

Does Harrowmont really force people to the anvil? It just doesnt sound like something he would do. Then again the dwarves do have a habit of getting nasty. I read that harrowmont wont allow branka to take more people for the anvil. so she goes to the surface and starts a war etc.

I dont know for certain because I always destroy the anvil. The way I see it, its too dangerous to be kept around. On a short term, it propably is usefull against the darkspawn etc but what about after that. On a long term, it seems to me that history will just repeat itself if the anvil is around. People get funny ideas about it and it brings trouble. Even Oghren says to shale something like, "sometimes people need to be kept from doing stupid things, even for good reasons". Yes people will propably laugh about oghren and so do I because he is funny, but I also respect him because when he gets serious and all, he can end up saying something really great and even emotional.

I agree about Bhelen and brother burkel. If harrowmont did what Bhelen did, I would choose him, but because he doesnt, I have to go for Bhelen even though I know what kind of man he is and what he did to his siblings. Refusing burkel was something I tried last time and the ending text was pretty suprising in a good way. A circle in Orzamar... oh boy the chantry is not going to like that one, not at all:blush:.

[Last Darkness]

Spoilers
This is basicaly correct, the wiki is not 100% correct word for word.

If Harrowmont
is made the new king and the Anvil is saved, he quickly puts down
Bhelen's rebellion and then passes a series of laws to please the clan
lords. Unfortunately, that isolates the dwarves even further from the
surface. Caste restrictions and the rights of the nobles both grow, and
trade with the human lands is all but cut off. After a law excluding the
casteless from common areas of the city is passed, a rebellion sees the
slums reduced practically to rubble. Although outrage is widespread,
the Assembly remains united behind King Harrowmont.


Siding with Harrowmont and recovering the Anvil of the Void will also
lead to a decline after initial success. Harrowmont will discourage
trade with the surface, leading to further isolation. In addition, after
Harrowmont refuses Branka more volunteers for the Anvil, she will begin
raiding the surface world for the needed ingredients. Eventually the
surface world will retaliate, resulting in a short war with Ferelden.
Orzammar's gates are besieged, and are sealed off, isolating Orzammar
more than ever.

• Note:This also happens even if the Dwarf Warden requests
  human military aid from Queen Anora or King Alistair in battling
  darkspawn in the deep roads.

BHELEN
Siding with Bhelen
regardless of Anvil status will cause him to quickly prove himself a
reformer. Trade with the surface lands increases and caste restrictions
are loosened. The casteless are permitted to take arms against the
darkspawn in exchange for new freedoms. For the first time in
generations, the line in the Deep Roads is pushed back, and a few thaigs
are reclaimed. Bhelen's reforms quickly finds him enemies within the
warrior and noble castes, however, and after several assassination
attempts, the Assembly is dissolved. The king then rules alone--some say
as a tyrant, others say as a visionary determined to drag Orzammar into
the modern world.

Siding with Bhelen and preserving the Anvil leads to it not
being long before Branka masters Caridin's technique, learning how to
use the Anvil of the Void to create new golems--the first in many
centuries. The dwarven people greet this news with cheers, though few
know of the cost. At first, King Bhelen works eagerly with Branka to
provide subjects--willing or not--so that the golems can push the
darkspawn back. This arrangement is not to last, however. Before long,
Branka begins to refuse to create golems only for the king, who soon
bans use of the Anvil. His men attack Branka's fortress in the Deep
Roads, forcing her to shut it tight. Years into the siege, Bhelen is
forced to relent. The fortress, guarded by Branka's golems, remains
impenetrable.

If the Dwarf Warden requests military aid from Ferelden and
Bhelen is king, the latter would welcome them with open arms. Within
months, the darkspawn are driven back as far as the Dead Trenches, and the first dwarven warrior to return with a relic retaken from the gates of Bownammar was greeted by cheering, jubilant crowds.

Modifié par Last Darkness, 25 août 2011 - 02:22 .