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[SirDoctorofTARDIS]

To replay a great game and try the different romances. I am on my forth now doing my last romance Fenris.

[Bayz]

I've never understood their point, unless they grant bonus to new game modes as they did in DA and the ME series.

I Just don't get this new "Achievement" fashion videogames have really. I rarely even care to actualize my own profile half of the time.

Modifié par Bayz, 01 avril 2011 - 09:24 .

[Zan Mura]

Bayz wrote...

I've never understood their point, unless they grant bonus to new game modes as they did in DA and the ME series.

I Just don't get this new "Achievement" fashion videogames have really. I rarely even care to actualize my own profile half of the time.

Well depends on what you mean by "profile". I love character customization, and I always fiddle with gameplay settings like difficulties, key settings, etc of course. But as for that whole online thing, no. Never. I always turn them off. To be blunt, I'm not exactly eager to share my gaming times, habits and romances with the rest of the world. They are private, period.

But yeah, achievements I don't get. To work your ass off so you can get some icon that reads "durrdurr [insert random bs title here]! - grind x for y amount of times and add z on top". Seriously, I really don't mean offense by this but to me that's monkey business: a completely pointless waste of time. Still, if people find it fun, I've nothing against it. God knows I do pointless and stupid things every single day too, so who am I to judge?

Modifié par Zan Mura, 01 avril 2011 - 09:39 .

[Bayz]

I mean my Bioware social account's profile. I usually play if offline because my labtop lags a lot if I use the internet and DA:O\\DA2.

Yeah I'm kind of like you in that respect, well not that they are private just I don't see why would anyone else care...I didn't buy the game to have the other 2 billion human beings watching me do the exact thing they did for this reason or the other...

To be honest I think most of the time people will have all the achievement list filled, some may see it as encouragement to try new stuff, I for one do not.

[JediHealerCosmin]

I always play multiple times before trying to beat the game on it's highest setting. After this is achieved, I try and figure out which choices are right for my canon playthrough.

Right now I'm on my 4th and playing on Nightmare. After I finish, I'm taking a long break by returning to Origins and a little Kotor 2   (I really miss them)

Modifié par JediHealerCosmin, 01 avril 2011 - 10:15 .

[Foolsfolly]

But yeah, achievements I don't get. To work your ass off so you can get some icon that reads "durrdurr [insert random bs title here]! - grind x for y amount of times and add z on top". Seriously, I really don't mean offense by this but to me that's monkey business: a completely pointless waste of time

Of course it's a waste of time. Just like doing Hardcore Nightmare Diablo 2 Baal runs just for possible good loot was a complete waste of time.

Gamers love to waste time to get meaningless electronic items.

[Foolsfolly]

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

I always play multiple times before trying to beat the game on it's highest setting. After this is achieved, I try and figure out which choices are right for my canon playthrough.

Right now I'm on my 4th and playing on Nightmare. After I finish, I'm taking a long break by returning to Origins and a little Kotor 2   (I really miss them)

Really?

See, I'm the type of guy who always considers the first playthrough to be the 'pure' playthrough and that's the closest thing to a cannon play I have.

I still have my first Shepard from ME1 which will be my first character to experience ME3 later. My Warden died against the Archdemon and that's the import that my first Hawke got.

All the others aren't nearly as important as that first pure playthrough. Where I couldn't metagame anything and my actions are more character/me based.

Interesting that you build the canon. I wonder how many people build the canon playthrough vs how many go in with the whole pure thing like me.

[Zan Mura]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Gamers love to waste time to get meaningless electronic items.

Oh I hear that. Played my own share of MMO's so I'm no newborn babe when it comes to wasting time either, as said.

See, I'm the type of guy who always considers the first playthrough to be the 'pure' playthrough and that's the closest thing to a cannon play I have.

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All the others aren't nearly as important as that first pure playthrough. Where I couldn't metagame anything and my actions are more character/me based.

Interesting that you build the canon. I wonder how many people build the canon playthrough vs how many go in with the whole pure thing like me.

Personally I do a bit of both. I always start off with the "canon" playthrough, the base personality, alignment, most of the likes / dislikes etc are there. But after that, I spend several playthroughs perfecting the game so I understand the mechanics and make sure I don't miss out on quests, romances or whatever that I couldn't have known on the first try. I *always* return later, sometimes months, sometimes years after to recreate the first playthrough but now in a way where I get everything right.

I think it's part nostalgia, part because I really always play RPG's as a kind of storywriter anyway. Seeing my protagonist as nothing like myself, instead like a character in a story that I'm writing and controlling.

[Foolsfolly]

Personally I do a bit of both. I always start off with the "canon" playthrough, the base personality, alignment, most of the likes / dislikes etc are there. But after that, I spend several playthroughs perfecting the game so I understand the mechanics and make sure I don't miss out on quests, romances or whatever that I couldn't have known on the first try. I *always* return later, sometimes months, sometimes years after to recreate the first playthrough but now in a way where I get everything right.

My sister does that.

Bothered me to no end when I watched her do another run of Origins. She's always a female Dalish elf. Always romances Alistair. To her there's no fun in doing a different type of game she just redoes the first playthrough...with tweaks. Alistair sacrificed himself in her first playthrough and despite that being the most romantic thing I've ever seen an NPC do in a game she hated it. So she deleted the character, remade her, and this time left Alistair to guard the gates.

It was actually hilarious in a way.

[Knightly_BW]

Foolsfolly wrote...

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

I always play multiple times before trying to beat the game on it's highest setting. After this is achieved, I try and figure out which choices are right for my canon playthrough.

Right now I'm on my 4th and playing on Nightmare. After I finish, I'm taking a long break by returning to Origins and a little Kotor 2   (I really miss them)

Really?

See, I'm the type of guy who always considers the first playthrough to be the 'pure' playthrough and that's the closest thing to a cannon play I have.

I still have my first Shepard from ME1 which will be my first character to experience ME3 later. My Warden died against the Archdemon and that's the import that my first Hawke got.

All the others aren't nearly as important as that first pure playthrough. Where I couldn't metagame anything and my actions are more character/me based.

Interesting that you build the canon. I wonder how many people build the canon playthrough vs how many go in with the whole pure thing like me.

My case is tragic

I also build my cannon after several runs and keep playing same path everytime I play the game I follow similar path afterwards. This is why I had too many mage saves on DA:O. Same spells, same party set up, same speciality .

Heh at least for DA 2 it will be archer. I like archery more in new game. Keep pressing R button saved me from pausing the game during combats.

In case of first runs, I always rush to the end, possibly not even listening every convo on the way. This is what you can expect from a guy like me, who reads last pages of the books before begin reading.

[GenericPlayer2]

This game has no where near the re-playability of Origins. To be honest, I am replaying now because of boredom, there is no other game out there grabbing my attention at the moment.

[Foolsfolly]

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

This game has no where near the re-playability of Origins. To be honest, I am replaying now because of boredom, there is no other game out there grabbing my attention at the moment.

I agree. Replayablity's down in this game. It just....I don't know. I love the dialogue, love the combat, love the new skill trees, love the companions, kinda indifferent to the rest of the game though.

Just doesn't pull me in. Did one run with each of the classes (Warriors are insanely powerful now but I think I enjoyed my Mage and Rogue more).

I think I'm finally going to play Assassin Creed: Brotherhood. Been putting that off since the game came out.

[JediHealerCosmin]

Foolsfolly wrote...


See, I'm the type of guy who always considers the first playthrough to be the 'pure' playthrough and that's the closest thing to a cannon play I have.

I still have my first Shepard from ME1 which will be my first character to experience ME3 later. My Warden died against the Archdemon and that's the import that my first Hawke got.

All the others aren't nearly as important as that first pure playthrough. Where I couldn't metagame anything and my actions are more character/me based.

Interesting that you build the canon. I wonder how many people build the canon playthrough vs how many go in with the whole pure thing like me.

My first playthroughs are always disastrous  There is always somebody who dies because I didn't take something seriously.

Basically when it comes down to a BioWare game, I ask myself "what do I want my character to be?"
That's what I love about these products, the fact that we have so many choices in the situations that are set in front of us, and the fact that the game responds differently based on these. It's literally an interactive adventure which the player can shape.

That doesn't mean that I go all out good/bad guy of course. I take different situations and focus on which choice feels better as an overall story. For example, the first time I played ME2, Jack and Thane died because I forgot to fully upgrade the ship. As a result, I didn't go back several saves and fixed it. I moved on and see how it felt with them gone.

Did the same with the romances. Once I found an ME2 romance that just felt like my Shepard's story, I went back to ME1 and replayed it without a romance from beginning to end.

Another example is the whole Anders situation. I know what he will do, I know why, when, where etc.
But how do I want my story to play out? Would it be better for Hawke to have his/her concience clean by not helping him, or take the more emotional path by helping him and then feel betrayed when the deed is done.
That's for the player to decide 

Modifié par JediHealerCosmin, 01 avril 2011 - 12:12 .

[Foolsfolly]

Did the same with the romances. Once I found an ME2 romance that just felt like my Shepard's story, I went back to ME1 and replayed it without a romance from beginning to end.

Romance....is...interesting. First character romanced Liara and the Tali...and then Lair of the Shadow Broker came out and I cheated on Tali with Liara. So....kinda...really interested in seeing how that's going to play out in ME3.

I totally couldn't help it! Lair's one of the best written romantic-based banter BioWare's ever done! During the mission those interrupts, afterwards in the cabin...it's all great. I loved how they showed the differences between Liara two years ago and the person she's become since. And to Shepard it just doesn't add up because Shep's been dead for two years.

Great DLC. Whoever wrote that DLC's great.

[Kinaori]

I tend to keep my first playthrough as 'canon' too, even though I tend to get people dead more, heh. Just feels 'right', instead of the metagaming playthroughs.

[Foolsfolly]

Kinaori wrote...

I tend to keep my first playthrough as 'canon' too, even though I tend to get people dead more, heh. Just feels 'right', instead of the metagaming playthroughs.

Hey, I make meta-gaming mistakes too. My Shep's a mostly paragon character who killed the Rachni Queen. My mostly good guy Warden sacrificed the Arlessa of Redcliffe (cannot remember her name just this moment) to save Connor. I thought that if I ran to the Mage Tower and came back the situation may have grown worse and more innocents would die.

Turns out the mission is not time based.

But my assumptions like that usually pay off. I lost no crew member or companion on my first play through in ME2. I over thought some things (I thought Miranda and Jack could never be on the same team because they'd frag one another) but generally I was correct with my assumptions.

[Adynata]

I replayed to try the different classes and 3 different male romances. But I have to admit that there just isn't that much variety in the way the game ends as there was in DA:O, so I haven't bothered to actually finish any of these games.

[Bayz]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Kinaori wrote...

I tend to keep my first playthrough as 'canon' too, even though I tend to get people dead more, heh. Just feels 'right', instead of the metagaming playthroughs.

Hey, I make meta-gaming mistakes too. My Shep's a mostly paragon character who killed the Rachni Queen. My mostly good guy Warden sacrificed the Arlessa of Redcliffe (cannot remember her name just this moment) to save Connor.

Wait, how you do that? It's good enough to make me remake my "canon ending" of DA:O. I thought the mission was time based too...

Modifié par Bayz, 01 avril 2011 - 01:21 .

[Knightly_BW]

Bayz wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

Kinaori wrote...

I tend to keep my first playthrough as 'canon' too, even though I tend to get people dead more, heh. Just feels 'right', instead of the metagaming playthroughs.

Hey, I make meta-gaming mistakes too. My Shep's a mostly paragon character who killed the Rachni Queen. My mostly good guy Warden sacrificed the Arlessa of Redcliffe (cannot remember her name just this moment) to save Connor.

Wait, how you do that? It's good enough to make me remake my "canon ending" of DA:O. I thought the mission was time based too...

You need a mage in your team (mage warden doesn't count) so they suggest it as another course of action. Just keep choosing there must be other way options. I can't remember the exact situation at the moment. Oh also don't annaul the circle. Irving must be alive to agree to help you with this.

[Foolsfolly]

I don't think you have to have a mage on your team. I think the Blood Mage will suggest it if you keep asking for another way. He'll say something about the Circle Tower.

And yeah, you can't get Irving to help you if Irving and all the mages are dead.

But you bring over the Mages from the Circle Tower and bam. No one dies. Alistair's all teary eyed over it afterwards too.

EDIT:

Unless you're asking on how you kill the Arlessa of Redcliffe. In which...well...Blood Mage says he needs all of someone's blood and she volunteers.

Modifié par Foolsfolly, 01 avril 2011 - 01:40 .

[Knightly_BW]

Foolsfolly wrote...

I don't think you have to have a mage on your team. I think the Blood Mage will suggest it if you keep asking for another way. He'll say something about the Circle Tower.

And yeah, you can't get Irving to help you if Irving and all the mages are dead.

But you bring over the Mages from the Circle Tower and bam. No one dies. Alistair's all teary eyed over it afterwards too.

Heh I keep killing Jowan. It was my first shock when he tricked me helping him on my first play. No one can make fool of me and lives.

I can't remember clearly but also Alistair can mention that but on my runs it is usually Morrigan. We never seperate after leaving Flemeth's hut.

[Bayz]

Asperius wrote...

Bayz wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

Kinaori wrote...

I tend to keep my first playthrough as 'canon' too, even though I tend to get people dead more, heh. Just feels 'right', instead of the metagaming playthroughs.

Hey, I make meta-gaming mistakes too. My Shep's a mostly paragon character who killed the Rachni Queen. My mostly good guy Warden sacrificed the Arlessa of Redcliffe (cannot remember her name just this moment) to save Connor.

Wait, how you do that? It's good enough to make me remake my "canon ending" of DA:O. I thought the mission was time based too...

You need a mage in your team (mage warden doesn't count) so they suggest it as another course of action. Just keep choosing there must be other way options. I can't remember the exact situation at the moment. Oh also don't annaul the circle. Irving must be alive to agree to help you with this.

They allow you to kill Isolde herself? Most of the time I always got the "let's picnic in the Fade" route...I need to experiment more different choices.

[Foolsfolly]

They allow you to kill Isolde herself?

Well, kill her so you can go into the Fade to kill/deal with the demon. You can also have Isolde kill Connor. Or you can punch Isolde out and slice Connors throat yourself.

There's actually quite a few ways that quest can go down.

[RyuStrife]

I replay more so because I like to imagine myself in different portions of my personalities in those positions. It's what makes those types of RPG's fun for me.  Ya know? Like if I am feeling like a Snarky smartass, a Goodie two-shoes, or a Pure jack ass to the world. If I feel like saving everything or causing nothing but destruction.

It's always an interetsing idea for me to see how the other characters would interact to that.

[Danjaru]

Origins I played 4 of the Origins throughout and did different choices. Couldn't get enough of the world and loved the fact that all 6 origins existed but the one that succeeded was only due to Duncan happening to be there. So ideally I'd have a party of my 4 wardens

DA2 I'm on my second playthrough, second playthrough is on my Mage Warden that did 80% of the things different from my canon warden. Just so I can have at least 2 playthroughs if the next installment is any good.

Modifié par Danjaru, 01 avril 2011 - 05:15 .