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[billy the squid]

Whilst I agree with the point, that "anyone who loves DA 2 should die" thread is going too far, but the over arching theme of your post appears to be "I like DA 2 so stop bashing it". Unfortunately Internet forums being what they are, decorum is entirely up to the individual, so long as no forum rules have been breached, so threads that ask people to stop posting inflammatory messages are either ignored or attract huge amounts of flak for being preachy.

It may well be that constant threads bashing a game you enjoyed get irritating, if so, don't read it. A good deal of the current problem stems from the multiplicity of DA 2 negative threads, being jumped on by the ever stalwart defenders of Bioware and vice versa for the DA 2 positive threads.

To a certain extent both sides are guilty of "the pot calling the kettle black" a better option would be to ask both sides to stop figuratively **** slapping each other rather than ask one irrate party to play nice whilst the other continues unhidered with, DA2 is awsome threads. Some of which are entirely designed to illict a vitriolic response from those who dislike the game.

Finally, if you liked DA 2 thats great, therefore the assumption that all will be fine is based upon the fact that you liked the direction the game took, for those of us who disliked it all is not fine and there seems to be some frustration as to some of the drastic changes which took place without much logic behind them, or were ill thought out and badly implemented. Although this is based upon my personal prefrences, I really disliked D2, but rather liked ME2. What determines whether DA 2 is succesful or not is sales figures, not player perception of what constitutes a good game.

[Onemorewave]

Ryazan wrote...

People always like to force their opinions down your throat, especially on the internet. Even if they dislike the subject in question, it's like some kind of sick gratification. Just ignore them. Although, if you have a fair, constructive complaint you have a right to post and discuss it and we should encourage people to do so.

Jesus we've done this for so freaking long and Bioware responds ''Nah the reusing of textures, bugs, cop out ending and 180 degrees change to the game were all meant for and work as intended''. They sau they listen to our complaints, but really all they do is give interviews to gaming magasines saying everything is smooth and locking threads.

The only ''feedback'' they want are feedbacks like the one the thread creater did. DA2 is awesome and a great RPG, when even the reviewers admit it was rushed and buggy, contrary to what we've been used to expect from Bioware.

It's like we're talking to a wall here, so what else can we do? What do you suggest?

[Mantaal]

darlarosa wrote...

Mantaal wrote...

What hate? I just see alot Critic on DA2. And thats not a big surprice after all.

Only blind Fanatics can say "hoorrraayy!" to re used maps and Childisch Combat.

Why is the combat childish?
And the re-using maps kinda happened in DA:O too. I will say that it is REALLY overdone in DA:O. Yet if you play through DA:O they have basically the same stuff just more of it and in slightly diffrent places (Deep Roads, The Tower, The Fade). 

And re-reading my previous post, to clarify those were just my opinions and all of that is a relative. Trying to show what is good to me is diffrent from what Sally, Mary, Jeff and Jakeem find good. Particularly the character comment. Truthfully all characters can becalled sucky because not all people will like them just as all people can be sucky because not all people like them...yes that doesn't make sense 

I was not trying to sound factual in anyway. Just griped and groaned about my opinion, and tried to point out that my opinion is a relative as yours is. It's all perception really, in the end its all the same we just see diffrent things. 
And honestly my statment about the lack of rational discussion is, of coarse, biased towards my bad experiances.

You are kidding right? 

You dont think Flying Plate mail Warriors and "12 Body Part Puzzle Corpses" after got hit by 1!! Arrow or Dagger hit and Exploding Bodys, Templers jumping off a roof are kinda Childisch? Really? How old are you? 

And reused maps.. Lets look at the Mage Tower. Yes the levels had the same Shape.(in a Tower whoah what a surprice! They need the walls on the same place or else they cant carry the next level) But they had different inventory, different look, different quests in there. Its not just Copy and Paste like DA2. You cant even compare that. In DA2 you get one single map about 10 times with every single rock and grass piece is 100% the same. Even the Tresure is on the exactly same place.

Thats not a matter of opinion  If you play DA2 and look at that maps and play DA:O and look at the maps you playing you see the difference.

Modifié par Mantaal, 01 avril 2011 - 01:09 .

[Vice-Admiral von Titsling]

Refund us all our $60 OP and make DA2 not suck.

And then we'll be happy and won't complain.

That OK with you?

[ink07]

Nope. Hate for the game is well deserved.

Bioware: make a better game and the hate will stop. Easy.

[darlarosa]

Mantaal wrote...

darlarosa wrote...

Mantaal wrote...

What hate? I just see alot Critic on DA2. And thats not a big surprice after all.

Only blind Fanatics can say "hoorrraayy!" to re used maps and Childisch Combat.

Why is the combat childish?
And the re-using maps kinda happened in DA:O too. I will say that it is REALLY overdone in DA:O. Yet if you play through DA:O they have basically the same stuff just more of it and in slightly diffrent places (Deep Roads, The Tower, The Fade). 

And re-reading my previous post, to clarify those were just my opinions and all of that is a relative. Trying to show what is good to me is diffrent from what Sally, Mary, Jeff and Jakeem find good. Particularly the character comment. Truthfully all characters can becalled sucky because not all people will like them just as all people can be sucky because not all people like them...yes that doesn't make sense 

I was not trying to sound factual in anyway. Just griped and groaned about my opinion, and tried to point out that my opinion is a relative as yours is. It's all perception really, in the end its all the same we just see diffrent things. 
And honestly my statment about the lack of rational discussion is, of coarse, biased towards my bad experiances.

You are kidding right? 

You dont think Flying Plate mail Warriors and "12 Body Part Puzzle Corpses" after got hit by 1!! Arrow or Dagger hit and Exploding Bodys, Templers jumping off a roof are kinda Childisch? Really? How old are you? 

And reused maps.. Lets look at the Mage Tower. Yes the levels had the same Shape. But they had different inventory, different look, different quests in there. Its not just Copy and Paste like DA2. You cant even compare that. In DA2 you get one single map about 10 times with every single rock and grass piece is 100% the same. Even the Tresure is on the exactly same place.

Thats not a matter of opinion  If you play DA2 and look at that maps and play DA:O and look at the maps you playing you see the difference.

 
I just found the whole jumping from Maker knows where things hilarious. It is ridiculous. Baldur's gate had the whole exploding bodies thing if you had the gore option clicked(automatically checked whenever I installed it). Neither of those really bothered me after a while made for a chuckle or two, but is really...not a big deal to me. The way I see it is all games have some sort of silly something that exists in them, but so long as it really does not affect the gameplay its cool by me. If you found it distracting or a bit absurd, that is COMPLETELY understandable, because at times it can be. >_> but I enjoy the gore...I bask in it revel...REVEL IN THE BLOOD I SAY. 

And you are right as I said, DA:2 backgrounds are crazy repetitive. I suspect this is to keep the game on console one disk(unlike ME2) and honestly I prefer detailed characters to people so I was relatively happy graphics wise so long as I was not in a dungeon. I was just pointing out that one should not act like DA:O was not guilty of the same crime because it was albeit just less of it.
As for your inventory comment I do understand that somewhat, but  my experiances in both games have basically been me tossing tons of crap and picking up tons of crap. In DA:O it was often useful crap, in DA2 it was limited crap and  ,well as we say in my neck-of-the-woods, hella gold unlike DA:O. However that is my experiance.

Can we agree that both games are flawed? I mean I think everyone can say that the games have there good points, but also plenty of bad points regardless of what those points may be. No one can claim either game is perfect because everyone looks for something diffrent . As I originally stated Relative oppinions.

[Selene Moonsong]

People are perfectly welcome to disagree when done in a civilized manner. However, I am already seeing some signs of raging, including circumvention of the forum swear filters, in response to the OP's opinions.

If you cannot respond in a civil manner to this thread, then I suggest walking away from the keyboard. And that goes for the rest of the forum topics as well.

Be excellent to each other...

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 01 avril 2011 - 01:17 .

[Tirigon]

Look at it like that: Better hate the game than hating other people, right?

[Iamnotahater]

Saying both games are flawed is true in the same way as saying a pinto and a Ferrari are both flawed.

That doesn't mean one isn't clearly better then the other.

And while it is a relative opinion (i mean I'm sure there's someone out there who would prefer a pinto) the prevailing notion is that DAO is better then DAII.

That may not matter to those who enjoyed DAII more but it should matter to EA/BIoware because it is likely to end up affecting their bottom line. Not just game sales but DLC as well. After all, whose going to buy DLC for a game they didn't like?

That person is also now likely to hold a negative opinion and EA/Bioware and affect future sales of other games.

Modifié par Iamnotahater, 01 avril 2011 - 01:24 .

[Tommy6860]

matttco wrote...



Ok, I normally don't

But you did anyway, so is it a fail?

BioWare is still one of
the best game developers out there, period. They don't owe any of you anything,
they made a choice to go in a different direction, and while you have every
right to call them out on some of those choices, the hate and mean-spiritedness
towards them is insane. Even if you hated the new direction they still made
games that you loved, otherwise why else are you here posting on their forums?
Yes, you bought their games, your loyal you feel they owe you this or that,
Guess what they don’t, you can be reasonable and voice your problems but
throwing out mean comments just makes you look bad and their not going to
listen to you. 

Sounds to me like a personal plea for everyone to offer their forgiveness when doing business is not a sin. If Bioware owes nobody anything for changes made, then why should some heartfelt obligation come from the customer? Anyhoo, if your spouse cheated on you because he/she wanted to try a different direction, how would that measure up with your feelings as you posit them here?

Yes, I know it is agame, but it wasn't touted as something just about being diametrically opposed to the gameplay and style that was Origins and I feel I was cheated. Yes, I feel let down, but not betrayed as it was a business decision, and time will tell if that turns out to be a good one.

Since I loved Bioware and
the Mass Effect series I tried to play Dragon Age on 360 Age (not for very
long)  and did not like the combat.
It was too slow and just not my cup of tea. I also read the console
version was a bad pc port, so I put it off, I thought I would one day revisit
it when I got a PC.

Being a console gamer isn't the tell-all sign whether one likes this game or not, but I can tell you that many console gamers posted here their dislike of DA2 when comparing it to Origins. I snipped most of your post, but it is clear you are incllined to play action oriented games more than deep storylines, charcter interactions and development and cannot be bothered by them. Saying the combat in Origins was boring is testamernt to that. If you like unrealistic bunny hopping sword kils and 100' teleporting backstabs, that's fine, but it isn't realistic. At least in Origins the moves were incredibly more varied, graphical  and realistic to actual human movement. In Origins, bodies didn't explode from one puncture wound as if the person had been a dead and bloated gas bag pulled out of a river after weeks of floating around.

snipped

The rest of your post I snipped as you essentaily are trying to defend the game, though you kept on with your obvious display that you like action games. That's fine, I think it is fine that people do like this game, but they typically are not the type of gamers that play games like Origins. That is why the backlash. It isn't as simple as Bioware/EA taking a different direction, that is fine. It is that they touted the game to be a follow up to Origins. Why they just didn't start a new IP, I don't know, but it isn't an RPG in much of the sense as Origins was and since both games have Dragon Age in their names, I feel let down.

[aftohsix]

But if I don't rant as much and as often as I can about how much I hate Dragon Age 2 how else will I blackmail Bioware into making the game that I, one person out of about 6 billion, will like?

I just want my Dragon Age Fishing Simulator.  Turn based.  Of course.

Modifié par aftohsix, 01 avril 2011 - 02:11 .

[Mantaal]

darlarosa wrote...

Mantaal wrote...

darlarosa wrote...

Mantaal wrote...

What hate? I just see alot Critic on DA2. And thats not a big surprice after all.

Only blind Fanatics can say "hoorrraayy!" to re used maps and Childisch Combat.

Why is the combat childish?
And the re-using maps kinda happened in DA:O too. I will say that it is REALLY overdone in DA:O. Yet if you play through DA:O they have basically the same stuff just more of it and in slightly diffrent places (Deep Roads, The Tower, The Fade). 

And re-reading my previous post, to clarify those were just my opinions and all of that is a relative. Trying to show what is good to me is diffrent from what Sally, Mary, Jeff and Jakeem find good. Particularly the character comment. Truthfully all characters can becalled sucky because not all people will like them just as all people can be sucky because not all people like them...yes that doesn't make sense 

I was not trying to sound factual in anyway. Just griped and groaned about my opinion, and tried to point out that my opinion is a relative as yours is. It's all perception really, in the end its all the same we just see diffrent things. 
And honestly my statment about the lack of rational discussion is, of coarse, biased towards my bad experiances.

You are kidding right? 

You dont think Flying Plate mail Warriors and "12 Body Part Puzzle Corpses" after got hit by 1!! Arrow or Dagger hit and Exploding Bodys, Templers jumping off a roof are kinda Childisch? Really? How old are you? 

And reused maps.. Lets look at the Mage Tower. Yes the levels had the same Shape. But they had different inventory, different look, different quests in there. Its not just Copy and Paste like DA2. You cant even compare that. In DA2 you get one single map about 10 times with every single rock and grass piece is 100% the same. Even the Tresure is on the exactly same place.

Thats not a matter of opinion  If you play DA2 and look at that maps and play DA:O and look at the maps you playing you see the difference.

 
I just found the whole jumping from Maker knows where things hilarious. It is ridiculous. Baldur's gate had the whole exploding bodies thing if you had the gore option clicked(automatically checked whenever I installed it). Neither of those really bothered me after a while made for a chuckle or two, but is really...not a big deal to me. The way I see it is all games have some sort of silly something that exists in them, but so long as it really does not affect the gameplay its cool by me. If you found it distracting or a bit absurd, that is COMPLETELY understandable, because at times it can be. >_> but I enjoy the gore...I bask in it revel...REVEL IN THE BLOOD I SAY. 

And you are right as I said, DA:2 backgrounds are crazy repetitive. I suspect this is to keep the game on console one disk(unlike ME2) and honestly I prefer detailed characters to people so I was relatively happy graphics wise so long as I was not in a dungeon. I was just pointing out that one should not act like DA:O was not guilty of the same crime because it was albeit just less of it.
As for your inventory comment I do understand that somewhat, but  my experiances in both games have basically been me tossing tons of crap and picking up tons of crap. In DA:O it was often useful crap, in DA2 it was limited crap and  ,well as we say in my neck-of-the-woods, hella gold unlike DA:O. However that is my experiance.

Can we agree that both games are flawed? I mean I think everyone can say that the games have there good points, but also plenty of bad points regardless of what those points may be. No one can claim either game is perfect because everyone looks for something diffrent . As I originally stated Relative oppinions.

Hey noghting against Gore. Thats not the point. In BG they had exploding Mobs.. right. But there is a difference. If you got hit by an very mighty Spell and mobs explode is one side. Getting hit by an Arrow the other one.
DA2 is just to much of all what is not that important and to less of all what is important. (in my opinion anyways) 
DA:O was not perfect. BG2 was not perfect. No game is. But some are more "near" perfect then others

I dont even talk about the fun in a game. A bad game could still make some fun. I had some fun in DA2. But i still would rate it around 4/10 just because it was such an lazy programmed game and had sooo much potential.
And that is where the most Hate comes from i think.

Like i sayd in another post.
BG1 --> BG2 more of everything --> alot Cheering Costumers --> good reviews 
DA:O --> DA2 less of everything ---> alot angry costumers --> so, so Reviews

Bioware should have known better. They already did it better! Why not here?

[The Metalion]

I stopped reading as soon as you mentioned your hatred for trolls.

Just because they have a different point of view, you hate them.  Maybe if you got to know some trolls and what they are really like, you wouldn't be an ignorant trollophobic spewing senseless hatred.

Hater!  Stop the hate!

[rpx78noob]

matttco wrote...
I thought damn, Dragon Age
2 is great, I need to give DA0 another shot asap. Even though it just didn’t
click on the console, I’ll try it on the pc.  Wow first it is way better on pc, better control, better
combat however it is a really different game from DA2. Much more Lord of The
Rings and hardcore fantasy/rpg, slower combat its just much more of an old
school RPG. I found it a lot better and playable on Pc (just my personal
preference) and had some fun, but I definitely like Dragon Age 2 faster combat,
characters and (people will hate me) story better.

Origins is by far a much more complete game than DA2, besides the combat mechanics which i think it eases the console gaming a lot.

[Halie Star]

I don't hate Dragon Age 2, it's a really good game, but if the fans of the games, don't discuss the games, how would developers know, what works, and what doesn't?

[earuinsgames]

Wow these mods are such dorks be excellent to each other dur durrrrrr.

[ad1dash0lm3s]

earuinsgames wrote...

Wow these mods are such dorks be excellent to each other dur durrrrrr.

That is a great movie quote! Don't diss Bill and Ted!

[Iamnotahater]

Halie Star wrote...

I don't hate Dragon Age 2, it's a really good game, but if the fans of the games, don't discuss the games, how would developers know, what works, and what doesn't?

Well instead of reading a bunch of individual fanboi posts on a message board they could pay attention to the review sites like metacritic amazon ign and gamespot which all have lower user and critic scores then DAO.

[The Fan]

Iamnotahater wrote...

Halie Star wrote...

I don't hate Dragon Age 2, it's a really good game, but if the fans of the games, don't discuss the games, how would developers know, what works, and what doesn't?

Well instead of reading a bunch of individual fanboi posts on a message board they could pay attention to the review sites like metacritic amazon ign and gamespot which all have lower user and critic scores then DAO.

How about the listen to the advise from the community, not the few dozen opinions from people who would demerate games for having too much "tears of the sun" music. 
I like dragon age 2. I am new to the series and don't know much but as a experianced gamer I can say that this game was good. It was freaking fun. I loved the story more than any other game besides the mass effect series. Why doesn't anyone see that the whole "reusing" of the envorments shows the stories progression? You are the awesome fereldan who just lost his home, you want to now live in Kirkwall because of the Blight. It makes sense that one would want to get to know his city very well if he or her is going to live there. But no, haters gotta hate something. Bah, I've wasted enough time. Complainers, haters all of them. Bioware has always chosen story over gameplay. Thats why they are awesome. But hey, HATERS ARE GONNA HATE RIGHT?

[Irx]

Well, I'm glad you like the game.. nah, that's a lie, I don't care.
Why should we stop all the hate, anyway, I haven't noticed a single reason against it in your post?
You prefer the forums pink and fluffy? So what? That's choices and consequences - you make a game, and get a well-earned community reaction to it.

[kenelis]

I disagree with the OP. I actually like DA2 more than DAO, but if people want to complain about their dislikes in a constructive fashion, they are entitled to. That is the purpose of these forums.

What I am tired of seeing are non-constructive posts by people trying to force their opinions on others. Like this gem: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6413491/102#6879232

Modifié par kenelis, 01 avril 2011 - 07:54 .

[17thknight]

Ryazan wrote...

People always like to force their opinions down your throat, especially on the internet. Even if they dislike the subject in question, it's like some kind of sick gratification. Just ignore them. Although, if you have a fair, constructive complaint you have a right to post and discuss it and we should encourage people to do so.

It seems aroudn here the only way to have a "fair" complaint or "legit" criticism is to preface your point with "ZOMG I love DA2 SOOOOOOOOOOO much!!!!!<3<3<3<3<3<3<3   (But next time could we reuse less dungeons) BUT DONT GET ME WRONG IT IS THE BESTEST THING TO EVER HAPPEN IN MY LIFE , EVEN BETTER THAN THE KIDNEY TRANSPLANT!!!!!!! KTHXBAI!"

[matttco]

I think the purpose of my post got lost along the way, that and I think some people just don't read the entire post. So I'll try to clarify, I think people have every right to criticize the game, I'm not trying to tell them to like it. It's different than the first, it's got some issues, they wanted another DAO or something else entirely. Fair enough but I think that the people who dislike it and can logically voice their complaints will be heard while the people that just hate and are extremely mean spirited to Bioware, EA and others who like the game to the point of name calling and threats are going too far. It's just thread after thread of I hate this, fire this guy, this sucks, you suck etc. When someone generally says this doesnt work because of this, it works so much better.

Ok that's point one, point two is more an opinion I was just to say I like it alot and I think their is a misconception. It's just different, not a bad game. It's more similar to a reboot or completely different direction then a wreck or bad game. I guess one could argue that's my personal opinion and that's fair. But trust me I've played enough videogames to tell you a bad sequel or bad game. DA2 is not a bad game, it's just not DAO and I feel anyone that can subjectively step away from being a huge DAO fan or step away from their personal bias can see that.

But my overall point is just 2 much hate, for anyone that is dissatisfied or mad, just saying if you talk instead of cuss and scream most people will listen and hear you better.

[Cristi]

i like the game on hard, controling each companion in battle , in easy and normal all battles seem to end to fast , besides that im enjoing it

[KalDurenik]

There is one huge problem. And that is that there is close to no dev / community communication going on. So there are 2 ways to get their attention. Give bad reviews / scores and "spam" their forums with negative stuff. While i dont agree with some things that have been said as some things are way over the top telling people to stop complaining is just... sad.