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[MDarwin]

The Fan wrote...

Iamnotahater wrote...

Halie Star wrote...

I don't hate Dragon Age 2, it's a really good game, but if the fans of the games, don't discuss the games, how would developers know, what works, and what doesn't?

Well instead of reading a bunch of individual fanboi posts on a message board they could pay attention to the review sites like metacritic amazon ign and gamespot which all have lower user and critic scores then DAO.

How about the listen to the advise from the community, not the few dozen opinions from people who would demerate games for having too much "tears of the sun" music. 
I like dragon age 2. I am new to the series and don't know much but as a experianced gamer I can say that this game was good. It was freaking fun. I loved the story more than any other game besides the mass effect series. Why doesn't anyone see that the whole "reusing" of the envorments shows the stories progression? You are the awesome fereldan who just lost his home, you want to now live in Kirkwall because of the Blight. It makes sense that one would want to get to know his city very well if he or her is going to live there. But no, haters gotta hate something. Bah, I've wasted enough time. Complainers, haters all of them. Bioware has always chosen story over gameplay. Thats why they are awesome. But hey, HATERS ARE GONNA HATE RIGHT?

So it was an RPG (enough) for you? Reusing Enviroments is progression?  Fair enough, it's your opinion.
You had an awesome button? I must have missed mine. Silly me.

And: Lovers gonna always Love. <3  No matter what.

[Alex Kershaw]

Post summary:

"My opinion is the only one that counts. You are wrong simply because I disagree with you."

Dragon Age 2 Metacritic score: 82 = lowest ever Bioware RPG /thread

[Tommy6860]

matttco wrote...

I think the purpose of my post got lost along the way, that and I think some people just don't read the entire post. So I'll try to clarify, I think people have every right to criticize the game, I'm not trying to tell them to like it. It's different than the first, it's got some issues, they wanted another DAO or something else entirely. Fair enough but I think that the people who dislike it and can logically voice their complaints will be heard while the people that just hate and are extremely mean spirited to Bioware, EA and others who like the game to the point of name calling and threats are going too far. It's just thread after thread of I hate this, fire this guy, this sucks, you suck etc. When someone generally says this doesnt work because of this, it works so much better.

Ok that's point one, point two is more an opinion I was just to say I like it alot and I think their is a misconception. It's just different, not a bad game. It's more similar to a reboot or completely different direction then a wreck or bad game. I guess one could argue that's my personal opinion and that's fair. But trust me I've played enough videogames to tell you a bad sequel or bad game. DA2 is not a bad game, it's just not DAO and I feel anyone that can subjectively step away from being a huge DAO fan or step away from their personal bias can see that.

But my overall point is just 2 much hate, for anyone that is dissatisfied or mad, just saying if you talk instead of cuss and scream most people will listen and hear you better.

I think any reasonable person would agree with you here if you're basing it on taste. But your (way too long) OP wasn't conveying this message. It was that you liked it because it had action, action, and yes, more action and little of anything else, and that Origins (somehow) didn't comapre with characters, story, etc, which was way off base.. If you had just stated essentailly what you did this time, you probably would have save yourself a lot of negative replies.

[SIx_Foot_Imp]

DomiiMai wrote...

I don't hate haters and I don't make any "hate" threads.
I support Bioware.

Accept it, and get rid of the hate.
So instead of targeting my qoutes, why don't you just target your head with a gun?
So the world would be one less provoking kind of people. <3
What I said wasn't out of hate, it was just merely a suggestion.

Right after agreeing with some one that saya the worst sort of hate is saying fans of DA2 should die you tell someone they should die for hating DA2. I totally agree with getting rid of hate filled post but the first step is always to take the hate out of our own posts.  by telling  him to shoot himself so that there would be less provoking people you become a provoker. To overcome and silence hatred we need to smother it with love not more hatred, we cant fall into the trap of becoming what we fight.

Make love not war.
Just becuse its cheezy doesnt make it wrong.

[Tripedius]

What a stupid post. It will be a cold day in hell when we're not allowed to critize a game anymore. DA2's unfinished state is an insult to all gamers who bought the game even those that are too thick to notice. That's perfectly legit. What I can't figure though is all these people who think it is needed to defend this game against others. Sure you may like it, but that does not mean others aren't allowed to dislike/hate it and express their dislike/hate. Esp. since the game could be all the better for it in the long run (like no more recycling).

[scylis]

"Stop all the hate"? On the Internet?

Sir, I am wracked with such mirth that I find myself undulating about the floor with such mad abandon that I positively shall lack a posterior henceforth.

[cljqnsnyc]

DomiiMai wrote...

I don't hate haters and I don't make any "hate" threads.
I support Bioware.

Accept it, and get rid of the hate.
So instead of targeting my qoutes, why don't you just target your head with a gun?
So the world would be one less provoking kind of people. <3
What I said wasn't out of hate, it was just merely a suggestion.

You say that you dislike haters and that we should get rid of the hate. Then you go on to tell someone who challenges your argument to commit suicide........


I think your comments about hate speak for themselves.....
 

OP.......

People have the right to express their opinions....period!

Modifié par cljqnsnyc, 01 avril 2011 - 11:14 .

[Hallusinaatti]

Looking at games released in past few years, it seems mandatory for a fanbase to break down completely when a sequel is released.

It annoys me how there are only two extremes in game debates. You love it like no tomorrow or you hate it so much you just HAVE to tell everyone about it. Those who love hate those who hate and vice versa. And usually the ones who like the game are branded as ignorant children who have no respect for true art.

Just to throw in my two cents, I represent the middle ground. I acknowledge that DA2 has flaws in story and gameplay, but I like it and feel no strange urge to tell everyone I know how much I may hate it.

[v_ware]

I agree that the overreacting on this game is just out of hand.



But what I also agree with is that the game is mediocre. I just expected better from Bioware.

[ToJKa1]

Alex Kershaw wrote...


Dragon Age 2 Metacritic score: 82 = lowest ever Bioware RPG

I'd say that's pretty damn good for the lowest score.

[Warheadz]

ToJKa1 wrote...

Alex Kershaw wrote...


Dragon Age 2 Metacritic score: 82 = lowest ever Bioware RPG

I'd say that's pretty damn good for the lowest score.

Yeah, but even if they have a good average score it doesn't make DA2 any better than it was

[ginzaen]

ToJKa1 wrote...

Alex Kershaw wrote...


Dragon Age 2 Metacritic score: 82 = lowest ever Bioware RPG

I'd say that's pretty damn good for the lowest score.

Agreed with this. on the pc i've had no bugs- in 3 playthroughs apart from recycled areas i like the game alot- And yes i did like dragon age origins and awakening also. 
I think once a few people whine people jump on the bandwagon. If i was a company like bioware and lowest score game by critics was 82% after all this time and amount of games they have done i'd be pretty please.
Let's have some information on dlc expansions

[Edge2177]

It's practically a smear campaign at this point.

[Silvanus]

Tripedius wrote...

What a stupid post. It will be a cold day in hell when we're not allowed to critize a game anymore. DA2's unfinished state is an insult to all gamers who bought the game even those that are too thick to notice. That's perfectly legit. What I can't figure though is all these people who think it is needed to defend this game against others. Sure you may like it, but that does not mean others aren't allowed to dislike/hate it and express their dislike/hate. Esp. since the game could be all the better for it in the long run (like no more recycling).

The issue is such couched comments as your, "are too thick to notice." You're attributing your own biases and judgments to the "unfinished" state of DA2 (by assuming Bioware, EA, or someone/something else meant it as a direct insult to gamers) without realizing that your own experiences don't generalize to other people. 

Beyond that, though, it's quite possible to state your point without trying to come off as high-and-mighty by back-handedly stating that whoever doesn't agree with your opinion is somehow an idiot. 

Do I like DA2? Yes. Do I think it's as great a game as DA:O? No, not even close. Do I like the overall simplification of the new game? Again, no. Does that mean I think people who enjoy this simplification are idiots? Not one bit. 

[Lord_Valandil]

17thknight wrote...

Ryazan wrote...

People always like to force their opinions down your throat, especially on the internet. Even if they dislike the subject in question, it's like some kind of sick gratification. Just ignore them. Although, if you have a fair, constructive complaint you have a right to post and discuss it and we should encourage people to do so.

It seems aroudn here the only way to have a "fair" complaint or "legit" criticism is to preface your point with "ZOMG I love DA2 SOOOOOOOOOOO much!!!!!<3<3<3<3<3<3<3   (But next time could we reuse less dungeons) BUT DONT GET ME WRONG IT IS THE BESTEST THING TO EVER HAPPEN IN MY LIFE , EVEN BETTER THAN THE KIDNEY TRANSPLANT!!!!!!! KTHXBAI!"

I loled.
And QFT as well.
I don't like troll threads, and hate threads like "David Gaider should be fired" or "THIS GAME SUCKS LOLOLOLOL", but the fanboys' threads are just as bad.

[slimgrin]

matttco wrote...

Ok, I normally don't post on these forums...

Quit reading there.

[Tirigon]

slimgrin wrote...

matttco wrote...

Ok, I normally don't post on these forums...

Quit reading there.

Probably for the best,

[Tripedius]

Silvanus wrote...

Tripedius wrote...

What a stupid post. It will be a cold day in hell when we're not allowed to critize a game anymore. DA2's unfinished state is an insult to all gamers who bought the game even those that are too thick to notice. That's perfectly legit. What I can't figure though is all these people who think it is needed to defend this game against others. Sure you may like it, but that does not mean others aren't allowed to dislike/hate it and express their dislike/hate. Esp. since the game could be all the better for it in the long run (like no more recycling).

The issue is such couched comments as your, "are too thick to notice." You're attributing your own biases and judgments to the "unfinished" state of DA2 (by assuming Bioware, EA, or someone/something else meant it as a direct insult to gamers) without realizing that your own experiences don't generalize to other people. 

Beyond that, though, it's quite possible to state your point without trying to come off as high-and-mighty by back-handedly stating that whoever doesn't agree with your opinion is somehow an idiot. 

Do I like DA2? Yes. Do I think it's as great a game as DA:O? No, not even close. Do I like the overall simplification of the new game? Again, no. Does that mean I think people who enjoy this simplification are idiots? Not one bit. 

An insult doesn't have to be intentional. But I do think BW/EA thought they could get away with recycled areas and such. Which I find an insult to gamers who bought this game. Even those who are not insulted by that (a.k.a. too thick to notice). I also didn't say you could not enjoy this game, but I find it still an insult. The one thing however that is objective is it's unfinished state. Maybe something for you to do on your next playthrough, find all the textureless pieces of void in the game, cause you could technically argue that recycled areas are finished. Though to ME it is still an insult that gamers wouldn't notice or think it would be okay. Esp. with all the advertising and such. And to finish off, yes I'm mister high-and-mighty, thank you very much. Didn't I stop the Blight ánd a crazy super sayan templar?

[Silvanus]

Tripedius wrote...

Silvanus wrote...

Tripedius wrote...

What a stupid post. It will be a cold day in hell when we're not allowed to critize a game anymore. DA2's unfinished state is an insult to all gamers who bought the game even those that are too thick to notice. That's perfectly legit. What I can't figure though is all these people who think it is needed to defend this game against others. Sure you may like it, but that does not mean others aren't allowed to dislike/hate it and express their dislike/hate. Esp. since the game could be all the better for it in the long run (like no more recycling).

The issue is such couched comments as your, "are too thick to notice." You're attributing your own biases and judgments to the "unfinished" state of DA2 (by assuming Bioware, EA, or someone/something else meant it as a direct insult to gamers) without realizing that your own experiences don't generalize to other people. 

Beyond that, though, it's quite possible to state your point without trying to come off as high-and-mighty by back-handedly stating that whoever doesn't agree with your opinion is somehow an idiot. 

Do I like DA2? Yes. Do I think it's as great a game as DA:O? No, not even close. Do I like the overall simplification of the new game? Again, no. Does that mean I think people who enjoy this simplification are idiots? Not one bit. 

An insult doesn't have to be intentional. But I do think BW/EA thought they could get away with recycled areas and such. Which I find an insult to gamers who bought this game. Even those who are not insulted by that (a.k.a. too thick to notice). I also didn't say you could not enjoy this game, but I find it still an insult. The one thing however that is objective is it's unfinished state. Maybe something for you to do on your next playthrough, find all the textureless pieces of void in the game, cause you could technically argue that recycled areas are finished. Though to ME it is still an insult that gamers wouldn't notice or think it would be okay. Esp. with all the advertising and such. And to finish off, yes I'm mister high-and-mighty, thank you very much. Didn't I stop the Blight ánd a crazy super sayan templar?

While I feel the same as you in that the game has been a general disappointment, we're just going to have to agree to disagree on the insult part--I see the point you're making, I just don't take it as an insult from either EA or Bioware. 

As for the textureless voids, I didn't notice any on my first playthrough, but will keep an eye out during my second. What version of the game do you have? Perhaps they're more restricted to one platform than another.

[cloud39472]

Nope. Hate for the game is well deserved.

Bioware: make a better game and the hate will stop. Easy.

actually its not that easy you must be stupid if you think it is because no matter what bioware does there will always be haters that think they are always right and that thier opinion is the only one that matters if you think you can do any better try and get a job in bioware and lets see how you do go ahead and try i would love to see you fail.

and ive been hearing like this copy and paste stuff from other people yeah thats true they did copy and paste quite a bit but who cares im not saying its good that they copy and paste but its a great game in my opinion i know everyone doesnt think the same but the hating forums are so annoying yeah you have the right to give your opinion but some people just think it sucks end of if anyone thinks otherwise they can go to hell people like that get on my nerves and i dont even bother to get involved in those kind of conversations because theres no point they arent going to listen anyway and sometimes they havent even played the game they just watch gameplay trailers and say OH IT SUCKS when they havent even bothered to play the demo or buy the game and try it for themselves haters walk away from the keyboard play a game you like grand theft auto, final fantasy wateva just stop talking crap about games you havent even played.

and if you have played it and you still hate it feel free to share your opinion but dont be like others and be like it sucks wateva anyone else says dont matter coz they suck to coz you will get more criticism then people agreeing.

[Marionetten]

The hate will stop once BioWare starts delivering quality products again. It's that simple.

[randName]

As long as people don't claim their opinions to be law I have no issue with someone loving, or hating the game.

But the idea that we should say that posts that are negative, or positive, have no place here I can't agree with.

So we shouldn't hate someone else's opinion, or at least not take that to the forums, and I dislike any spam thread, be it calls of love, or exhuming hate. And threats against people who hold an opinion that the game is good, or that the game is bad, or anything else game related, seems a bit retarded, and obviously something I don't support. (once it glides into real life I can undestand how polemics can turn into burning hot hate).

Other than that I have no problem with people that claim that DA2 is horrible, nor with someone that loves it.


(My view is that DA2 is a decent, albeit deeply flawed game on its own, and a really bad follow up on DA:O. Yet I can fully undestand why someone would either call it an abomination, a straight horror of a game, or a lovely thing, in either case I'll need to stretch my limted imagination, but still.) 




Also there have been several threads like these already - and I'd say that the only reason why you are seeing more hate than love in the case of DA2 is simply that less find it worth defending than you will find on the opposite side, but both extremes are normally as vehement and aggresive since they are ruled by the same emotional fuel, passion.

& threads like these have very little to give, since you aren't trying to bridge the polarized sides, but accuse one ~ the love thread was easily better.

Modifié par randName, 10 avril 2011 - 03:48 .

[cloud39472]

no its not... because its not possible to meet everyones liking in a game there will always be someone to say IT SUCKS AND I DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS and anyway theres alot of people who think this is a quality game some dont fair enough i respect thier opinion but you dont have to keep posting hate forums whats the point it will solve nothing.

[randName]

Tirigon wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

matttco wrote...

Ok, I normally don't post on these forums...

Quit reading there.

Probably for the best,

Should have doen the same, but oh well.