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[neppakyo]

Sweet, my name was mentioned. I'm infamous!

btw, who the heck are you doloreg? Musta kicked your puppy

[Sacred_Fantasy]

doloreg wrote...
don't get me wrong people, i was not happy with the game, but it doesn't deserve this constant bashing, and it puts people who have actual arguments and problems in a bad light.
I find sarcastic and witty/valid and reasonable comments great, even if it's against the game/company/world. Hell i even agree with most of them, but going on every single forum and saying:
OMG BUTTONAWESOMETHIS GAME IS HORRIBLE GOW CLONE FF CLONE FIRE EVERYONE I DEMAND AN APOLOGY
is just silly..

Ok..... How about this?
I love Terminator-Hawke because it can think, do things and speak without my input. Hawke is my best friend Terminator prototype. I understand as AI and semi NPC, it's incoherence voice tone is as cute as any robot with human flesh. T-Hawke make sense of my existence in DA 2 world. It remove the headache I'm suffering now due to various plot holes, gaps in storyline as the result of transition between acts, lack of exposition/flesh out etc...

But time travel frame narrative from Varric perspective is evolution storytelling in gaming experience. It's prove that players can enjoyed being left out from the game. Tasks that usually involve player in tradition RPG can be simplified and easier done with time fast forward mechanism where players involvement is lessen. It also allow players to relax and eat popcorns more than wasting time living the adventure. Players don't have to worry about creation, disconnection, reasoning and immersion breaker because everything isn't necessary. My friend Varric knows better about the Champion of Kirkwall than I do because I don't exist in DA 2 reality. My T-Hawke was there when it became the Champion of Kirkwall and did things for years without my concern like knowing some people who I never encountered. But even T-Hawke isn't present in current reality.

So it's ok I feel left out from a game I purchase for $60.

[fchopin]

Like Jackie Chan says in one of his films, WHO AM I.

[nopho]

doloreg wrote...

don't get me wrong people, i was not happy with the game, but it doesn't deserve this constant bashing, and it puts people who have actual arguments and problems in a bad light.
I find sarcastic and witty/valid and reasonable comments great, even if it's against the game/company/world. Hell i even agree with most of them, but going on every single forum and saying:
OMG BUTTONAWESOMETHIS GAME IS HORRIBLE GOW CLONE FF CLONE FIRE EVERYONE I DEMAND AN APOLOGY
is just silly.
And the fact that you think that General Discussion should be about hating the game then there's a problem with you.
I agree that some people are way over-zealous about defending bioware, but it's not like they weren't provoked. People demanding apologies, as if they were bioware's direct superiors, while attacking the company and saying that it's the antichrist of videogames is harsher than telling someone who constantly hates on forums to get a life.
And laugh all you want it was a rather neutral topic before it was converted into this hateroom. And i'm talking about hate from both sides. It wanted peace not you to love the game, but you just couldn't have that.
And by the way, just look at yourselves, i just said that the hate in this topic is out of line and you guys have already ganged up on me, as if i were a heretic. classy.

see you make some good points. you have nice arguments and try to be the voice of reason and thats good.
but you forget one thing, and let me assure you thats my honest opinion:
i feel effing scammed for my money.
if you want me to i can take some hours and list you all the points in wich i (subjective opinion) think i was mislead or simply lied to. my sarcasm and humor comes from "exploding bodies and awesome button" but my deeper nerd-rage comes from at least (and again no kidding on my side) 4times i wanted to throw my mouse into the monitor because of what i was sold compared with what i was promised.

[Fhaileas]

No! It's not hate if its the truth and if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

[legitimatebusiness]

I don't understand where people are coming from when they say this game is "dumbed down." Would someone explain what is dumbed down about DA2?

[Night Prowler76]

legitimatebusiness wrote...

I don't understand where people are coming from when they say this game is "dumbed down." Would someone explain what is dumbed down about DA2?

Less Dialogue
No equiping companions with armor
Less Skills/talents
Shorter game
Only having humans as a playable class
No real descriptions of armor and weapons, based on star systems so a monkey could do it
Ability to button mash through the entire game
Recycled dungeons and caves, only like 6 areas outside of Kirkwall basically.

Modifié par Night Prowler76, 11 avril 2011 - 01:40 .

[neppakyo]

legitimatebusiness wrote...

I don't understand where people are coming from when they say this game is "dumbed down." Would someone explain what is dumbed down about DA2?

ie, streamlined, made easier, clear instructions, no difficulty in understanding the premise of the game, for consoles.

[Night Prowler76]

neppakyo wrote...

legitimatebusiness wrote...

I don't understand where people are coming from when they say this game is "dumbed down." Would someone explain what is dumbed down about DA2?

ie, streamlined, made easier, clear instructions, no difficulty in understanding the premise of the game, for consoles.

I play DAO and DA2 on xbox 360, DAO was good the way it was, it doesnt have anything to do with the consoles, its more like BioWare assumes everyone are dumb and need a dumbed down game on EVERY platform.

[saresy]

Agree with OP. The reason I don't frequent these forums is because of the insane amounts of hate.

[Lord_Valandil]

matttco wrote...
BioWare is still one of the best game developers out there, period. They don't owe any of you anything, they made a choice to go in a different direction, and while you have every right to call them out on some of those choices, the hate and mean-spiritedness towards them is insane. Even if you hated the new direction they still made games that you loved, otherwise why else are you here posting on their forums?

BioWare consonantly make games that find a balance between hardcore and the mainstream. I love that they put emphasis on character and story in an industry that is usually quite barren in those areas. Dragon Age 2 may not be as deep or long, or as epic as of story as DAO in your opinion but it still is really well written with great characters who have great personalities and stories. Personally I like DA2 characters and stories 100% better then Orgins but that’s just my opinion I don’t think that its right or wrong to say that I know it’s an opion and I don’t think anyone who liked DAO story more is dumb for thinking otherwise.

I really really enjoyed DA2, It’s one of the best games I played this year. I know it's no where near perfect, it's a tad buggy, flawed and yes reuses some things a tad much but its still a great 40 hour + game. Which I had a ton of fun with and will revisit again in the future.

Now I just want to give you some background. I started a pc gamer, played the older Bioware games on PC. My Pc became super outdated and I was sick of playing upgrade catch-up and I became a console gamer. I played Mass 1 on Xbox and Mass 2 originally on 360. I loved Mass Effect 1 and 2, I felt like finally a smart mans shooter, real rpg-like elements, real choices and story but yet a shooter.Again not perfect but still Mass 2 is one of my favorite games in the past couple years.

Since I loved Bioware and the Mass Effect series I tried to play Dragon Age on 360 Age (not for very long) and did not like the combat. It was too slow and just not my cup of tea. I also read the console version was a bad pc port, so I put it off, I thought I would one day revisit it when I got a PC.

A couple of months ago I got back into PC gaming got a new system and replayed Mass 1 and 2 which I
enjoyed them even more on the PC (mouse and keyboard, plus high res graphics
ftw).  I then got Dragon Age 2 and loved it, thought the combat was great, loved switching between characters. How fast and fluid the combat was. I liked that it was an adult story that took risks, says a lot and
covered some really tricky themes and subjects.

I thought damn, Dragon Age 2 is great, I need to give DA0 another shot asap. Even though it just didn’t click on the console, I’ll try it on the pc. Wow first it is way better on pc, better control, better combat however it is a really different game from DA2. Much more Lord of The Rings and hardcore fantasy/rpg, slower combat its just much more of an old school RPG. I found it a lot better and playable on Pc (just my personal preference) and had some fun, but I definitely like Dragon Age 2 faster combat, characters and (people will hate me) story better.

So I just want to say to everyone that keeps saying this sucks, or Bioware messed up, or this guy needs to get fired, to calm down a bit. It’s different and it may not be what you wanted, but it doesn’t suck and its not horrible, it’s different. Listen again Bioware is a great developer, they listen, and I’m sure Dragon Age 3 will be a bit of both 1 and 2, it will keep the elements people loved about 2 and bring back elements it forgot from 1. So calm down, all is fine, just voice your concerns or what you don’t like but lets cut all the hate out.

(edited for strange formatting)

All right.
"Being different" is no excuse for being a bad game. And I won't hate you for liking the story...although I found it to be really disconnected, boring and with a lot of holes. Besides, you only play three years of the promised ten years.
Adult story? Risks? Please, don't make me laugh. Where's the risk in the fully-clothed romance scenes?
Perhaps the risk was to polarize the fan base, which they did, and really well.
The combat was fast and fluid, aye. But it brought waves of mindless, generic enemies which fell down from the sky...and then it turned into a poor man's Dinasty Warriors.
Of course...I agree with you, it's nowhere near perfect. It's bugged as hell, with poor graphics, excessive recycling and so many glitches that my fingers alone aren't enough to count them.
You love it? You're going to play it a hundred more times? That's perfect. Go ahead, I won't stop you.
But it would be nice if you people just stop complaining about people complaining, and trying to make us love the game just because you think it's the best thing Bioware has ever made.

[plokoon9619]

legitimatebusiness wrote...

I don't understand where people are coming from when they say this game is "dumbed down." Would someone explain what is dumbed down about DA2?

Play Origins,

Heres a good, generalized list of differences

Origins

• Story is branching with different choices that can be made that leads up to a main concluding point.
• Combat requires strategy and thinking and it feels more rewarding when you actually win.
• Environment feels real and theres no repeating elements where it makes no sense to have them.
• Conversations are more indepth, and theres a deep amount of lore you can follow if you wish.
• Art style is better and it didn't aim at being flashy, cartoonish, but more realistic.
• You get to customize your party with weapons, armor, etc.

DA2

• Story is linear, your automically forced to play one character with only choices different on class/sex.
• Combat is faster but more unrealistic. It is also simplified to the point you don't even need to stragetize unless you play on the hardest difficulty.
• Environment is copied and pasted everywhere.
• Conversations are shorter, you don't even get to choose what you say other than a little indicator telling you what tone your character will speak in and a few words. Weapons don't have anything but the bare descriptions.
• Art style aims at being cartoonish, completely changes characters looks to the point that it doesn't make sense to have Isabella be black in the sequel of the last game, or Flementh looking like Ultemica from FF8 when she was just a old woman in drags last game.
• You can only customize Hawke.

Modifié par plokoon9619, 11 avril 2011 - 02:03 .

[legitimatebusiness]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Less Dialogue
No equiping companions with armor
Less Skills/talents
Shorter game
Only having humans as a playable class
No real descriptions of armor and weapons, based on star systems so a monkey could do it
Ability to button mash through the entire game
Recycled dungeons and caves, only like 6 areas outside of Kirkwall basically.

I don't know, seems like Origins was pretty monkey like to me. Being tactical seemed more like an option in that game rather than a necessity since you could chug poultices constantly through any fight. Not to mention there wasn't any complexity to the talent trees. You have your weapon style and that's your role. DA2 allows you to choose your weapon style then choose your role. i.e., if I want to be a damage dealing SnS warrior, I can invest in vanguard, or if I want to be a support class dagger rogue, I can invest in sabotage or scoundrel. It just opens up so many different options and different ways to play if you're not afraid to go outside the box. And maybe there were a lot of dialogue options in Origins, but most of them gave you the same response anyways. You make a lot of valid points as far as customization and enviroments go, but as far as gameplay goes DA2 doesn’t seem dumbed down at all, you just need to be creative.

Oh and Neppakyo, I didn’t know that having unclear instructions was a good thing. You should play the game in a foreign language if you like that.

Modifié par legitimatebusiness, 11 avril 2011 - 02:14 .

[neppakyo]

legitimatebusiness wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Less Dialogue
No equiping companions with armor
Less Skills/talents
Shorter game
Only having humans as a playable class
No real descriptions of armor and weapons, based on star systems so a monkey could do it
Ability to button mash through the entire game
Recycled dungeons and caves, only like 6 areas outside of Kirkwall basically.

I don't know, seems like Origins was pretty monkey like to me. Being tactical seemed more like an option in that game rather than a necessity since you could chug poultices constantly through any fight. Not to mention there wasn't any complexity to the talent trees. You have your weapon style and that's your role. DA2 allows you to choose your weapon style then choose your role. i.e., if I want to be a damage dealing SnS warrior, I can invest in vanguard, or if I want to be a support class dagger rogue, I can invest in sabotage or scoundrel. It just opens up so many different options and different ways to play if you're not afraid to go outside the box. And maybe there were a lot of dialogue options in Origins, but most of them gave you the same response anyways. You make a lot of valid points as far as customization and enviroments go, but as far as gameplay goes DA2 doesn’t seem dumbed down at all, you just need to be creative.
Oh and Neppakyo, I didn’t know that having unclear instructions was a good thing. You should play the game in a foreign language if you like that.

You should of tried playing the japanese FFVI before they brought it to N. America. Now that was interesting.

[doloreg]

nopho wrote...



see you make some good points. you have nice arguments and try to be the voice of reason and thats good.
but you forget one thing, and let me assure you thats my honest opinion:
i feel effing scammed for my money.
if you want me to i can take some hours and list you all the points in wich i (subjective opinion) think i was mislead or simply lied to. my sarcasm and humor comes from "exploding bodies and awesome button" but my deeper nerd-rage comes from at least (and again no kidding on my side) 4times i wanted to throw my mouse into the monitor because of what i was sold compared with what i was promised.

I think i can understand that, and as i've said, i'm not very happy about this game either.
I certainly don't think that it was 60$, but many haters here claim that it's the worst game ever, but it is not so. For a game wih a laughably short development time, it's great, as a standlon game, it's good, and for a sequel, well it's pretty meh, but not worse, in my opinion.
I think that it's all about expectations, people wanted DA:O2 and not DA2, but ironically, many of the negative changes come from the whiners and haters of the previous games. Many people forget that DA:O was not without problem either, i mean darkspawn often came out of nothing, without animation, they were just there, and when you beheaded someone, his head exploded, and when someone was on the ground, you could hit the air, and the air would bleed as the creature dies.
These are, of course, really trivial problems, but they are not so different from the exploding bodies and the ninja enemies.
I don't even want to get into the claims that it's a god of war clown, because it's nothing like it. Not on PC anyway.
Anyways, my point is that i don't want you to love this game, i really don't, and i don't see much chance for that, but there are hordes of hate topics where sarcastic remarks and borderline whining is more welcome. The problem is that every time someone makes a "hey this game is kinda good", hell even if they make a "i like sandwiches" topic, they see it as an invitation to turn it into a vessel of hate, ruining the actual topic, and i'm not surprised that people who want to talk about something else rather than how this game should've been aborted are annoyed. Ieven if the points the haters raised were valid and are up for a debate, which, they sometimes are, it is trolling to flood everything with it. Even the motivational poster became unfunny for me, because it turned witty jokes on the game into "omgthisgamesuckscallmeacreativegeniusnow".-merrill face- But i'm rambling again.

[PurpleJesus]

 could they say this about DA2 .....

spade = spade 

it did suck ....

Modifié par PurpleJesus, 11 avril 2011 - 05:01 .

[Hatchetman77]

I'm uncertain on what the OP believes these forums are for.  The post is basically saying "you should only voice your opinion if you agree with me because posts I don't agree with hurts my feelings."  I really thought these forums are to talk about how you feel about the game.  If I dislike it I don't know why I shouldn't be allowed to express it on the forum that's existance is dedicated to talking about the game.

Damn, and they call me a whiner for disliking the game...

[winterborn_89]

long live dragon age: origins

[Stanley Woo]

Let's try to keep similar discussions in the same thread, please. THank you.

End of line.