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[James2912]

Here is an idea for the beginning of ME3.  
VS hunts you down with a crap load of N7s and gives you a chance to surrender, you have two options Fight, or give yourself up.  Fighting is considered Renegade of course. This scenario would allow the VS to have similiar dialogue no matter who it is. 

Optional idea:
If you choose the Renegade option you kill the VS survivor. 

[Dave666]

Have you considered the problems with your proposed Renegade option? The VS was left out of ME:2 so that they would be alive for ME:3 implying that they would have heavy plot relevance. None of the ME:2 Squaddies can have that level of relevance because in any given save file they might be dead. If you kill the VS then the story can't progress.

[Clonedzero]

i'm 100% for this.
i'm also for the VS being a character witness at the trial.

[Bogsnot1]

[insert Sten pic here]
No, do not want, ever. VS can go to hell and die a horrible death. The more the VS fanbois demand for their involvement in everything, the more I dont want to see them ever again.
WAAAAH! They should have their own DLC!
WAAAAH! They should have been in Arrival!
WAAAAH! We got ripped off cos Bioware are doing what they want with their own story!

STFU already.

[Raya Aroukii]

Oh, yeah. Let's have some people's LI arrest them...

[Kaiser Shepard]

This has basically been pitched at least a few times a month since Zulu's "How ME3 should begin" topic, but I agree that it seem like the likely thing to happen: Kaishley basically becoming the Shepard to Shepard's Saren.

[Chuvvy]

If it gives me the option to beat the **** out of Kaiden till he's blind and breathing through some sort of tube then I'm game.

[KotOREffecT]

I only hope Ash is at the trial, because I want her to see the look on my Sheps face, the look of grief, sadness, anger, and wonder why I did all the things I've done(cerberus relations, collector base,batarians) etc. Because Horizon was just uncalled for... Anderson and the Council I'm looking at you too..

Having your VS come to find you could be intersting, but we shouldn't be able to kill them yet, not that soon anyway..

[Thepeak12]

That would be interesting, I'm all for it!!!

[KotOREffecT]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Kaishley basically becoming the Shepard to Shepard's Saren.

Ive always known leading up to ME3 that Shep could potentially become the human version of Saren, quite ironic really and probably what BioWare is shooting for. Just a ruhless human Spectre willing to go to extreme lengths to get the job done.. Im sure Cerberus would just bust out Shep anyway if the Alliance catches him and determines him rogue(thats if you take that path that is)..

[James2912]

Dave666 wrote...

Have you considered the problems with your proposed Renegade option? The VS was left out of ME:2 so that they would be alive for ME:3 implying that they would have heavy plot relevance. None of the ME:2 Squaddies can have that level of relevance because in any given save file they might be dead. If you kill the VS then the story can't progress.

Arresting Shepard would make them important to the plot. 

Maybe during the trial the VS could realize what a mistake they made and end up breaking you out. Then there could be a tearful apology or whatever for all the shat they have given you. 

[Estelindis]

I'm not in favour of it personally, but in part that's because my Shepard has already said she'll turn herself in. The Alliance doesn't need to send an N7 squad to arrest her. And I can't say I like the idea of missing out on *any* Kaidan / Ashley content just because of my roleplaying choices.

[jeweledleah]

James2912 wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

Have you considered the problems with your proposed Renegade option? The VS was left out of ME:2 so that they would be alive for ME:3 implying that they would have heavy plot relevance. None of the ME:2 Squaddies can have that level of relevance because in any given save file they might be dead. If you kill the VS then the story can't progress.

Arresting Shepard would make them important to the plot. 

Maybe during the trial the VS could realize what a mistake they made and end up breaking you out. Then there could be a tearful apology or whatever for all the shat they have given you. 

you know that so called "shat" goes both ways, its just that haters refuse to see that the oh so perfect commander Shepard might not have been able to bull**** their way out of every single conversation or a situation - for that tarnished image alone I'm happy with Arrival.

Shepard messed up just as much as VS on Horizon, and while an option to yell at them would be nice, I would like an option for them to yell right back.

them briging us in?  its a possibility and could create an interesting tense dynamic.  killing them as a renegade choice? no thank you.

as for the haters?  I'm going to be childish and hope for your favorite characters to suffer the fate bioware gave to virmire survivor - short cameo whith railroaded falling out.  and then nothing for the rest of the game unless you romanced them, in which case you get a short noncomittal letter.

[Dave666]

James2912 wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

Have you considered the problems with your proposed Renegade option? The VS was left out of ME:2 so that they would be alive for ME:3 implying that they would have heavy plot relevance. None of the ME:2 Squaddies can have that level of relevance because in any given save file they might be dead. If you kill the VS then the story can't progress.

Arresting Shepard would make them important to the plot. 

Maybe during the trial the VS could realize what a mistake they made and end up breaking you out. Then there could be a tearful apology or whatever for all the shat they have given you. 

True but if you used your Renegade option you've already killed them by this point, also lets face it the VS is going to have WAY more plot relevance than just the prison break variety.  They more or less have to because of the SM survivors variables of being alive or dead.  Thats not to say that I believe that the SM Survivers will not have any plot relevance, I just suspect it will be a minor one.  Have Tali alive? Yup! Ok then you find it easier to sway the Quarians to your side etc.  Without Tali you can still sway the Quarians its just MUCH harder.  Thats sort of what I'm hoping for/expecting.

However given that we've had little to no exposition on the Reapers (i.e. how the hell we're going to stop them) then we need someone to provide it, the VS seems likely to me.

[James2912]

Dave666 wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

Have you considered the problems with your proposed Renegade option? The VS was left out of ME:2 so that they would be alive for ME:3 implying that they would have heavy plot relevance. None of the ME:2 Squaddies can have that level of relevance because in any given save file they might be dead. If you kill the VS then the story can't progress.

Arresting Shepard would make them important to the plot. 

Maybe during the trial the VS could realize what a mistake they made and end up breaking you out. Then there could be a tearful apology or whatever for all the shat they have given you. 

True but if you used your Renegade option you've already killed them by this point, also lets face it the VS is going to have WAY more plot relevance than just the prison break variety.  They more or less have to because of the SM survivors variables of being alive or dead.  Thats not to say that I believe that the SM Survivers will not have any plot relevance, I just suspect it will be a minor one.  Have Tali alive? Yup! Ok then you find it easier to sway the Quarians to your side etc.  Without Tali you can still sway the Quarians its just MUCH harder.  Thats sort of what I'm hoping for/expecting.

However given that we've had little to no exposition on the Reapers (i.e. how the hell we're going to stop them) then we need someone to provide it, the VS seems likely to me.

I even haven't made up my mind on the renegade option, i just thought it might be a dark twist, for those who choose to resist being arrested. And of course this role does not rule them out as being squadmates after they learn why you did what you did if that renegade option is not included. 

[James2912]

Raya Aroukii wrote...

Oh, yeah. Let's have some people's LI arrest them...

It would make your relationship more meaningful then the others. hell it would make for an emotional rollercoaster especially if the VS ended up breaking you out!

Also if your LI is the VS and the renegade option is implemented it could push you over the edge and make you full of rage! 

Modifié par James2912, 01 avril 2011 - 01:00 .

[Dave666]

Bogsnot1 wrote...


WAAAAH! They should have been in Arrival!

Not to derail the thread but I posted the following on another thread (where it was promptly burried by two guys arguing) and to me this seems reasonable.

Just throwing this one out there. I liked the VS have saves with both and while the VS not being in Arrival wasn't a deal breaker it was a missed opportunity (IMO) and in a way I can understand peoples concerns. With ME:2 they rewrote Liara's character, it makes sense from a story perspective, but it was still changed. Had they included the VS we would have some indication of which direction the writers were taking them and people could voice concerns or praise. As it currently stands we have no idea and complaining after ME:3 is already out is pointless.

[Pwener2313]

No one can take Shepard in. He'll break free in seconds.

[James2912]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

[insert Sten pic here]
No, do not want, ever. VS can go to hell and die a horrible death. The more the VS fanbois demand for their involvement in everything, the more I dont want to see them ever again.
WAAAAH! They should have their own DLC!
WAAAAH! They should have been in Arrival!
WAAAAH! We got ripped off cos Bioware are doing what they want with their own story!

STFU already.

Dude I don't give a shat that they weren't in Arrrival thats not what this thread is about. 

[Dave666]

Pwener2313 wrote...

No one can take Shepard in. He'll break free in seconds.

Unless he gets sedated in which case he'll wake up in two days. lol

[Dave666]

James2912 wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

Have you considered the problems with your proposed Renegade option? The VS was left out of ME:2 so that they would be alive for ME:3 implying that they would have heavy plot relevance. None of the ME:2 Squaddies can have that level of relevance because in any given save file they might be dead. If you kill the VS then the story can't progress.

Arresting Shepard would make them important to the plot. 

Maybe during the trial the VS could realize what a mistake they made and end up breaking you out. Then there could be a tearful apology or whatever for all the shat they have given you. 

True but if you used your Renegade option you've already killed them by this point, also lets face it the VS is going to have WAY more plot relevance than just the prison break variety.  They more or less have to because of the SM survivors variables of being alive or dead.  Thats not to say that I believe that the SM Survivers will not have any plot relevance, I just suspect it will be a minor one.  Have Tali alive? Yup! Ok then you find it easier to sway the Quarians to your side etc.  Without Tali you can still sway the Quarians its just MUCH harder.  Thats sort of what I'm hoping for/expecting.

However given that we've had little to no exposition on the Reapers (i.e. how the hell we're going to stop them) then we need someone to provide it, the VS seems likely to me.

I even haven't made up my mind on the renegade option, i just thought it might be a dark twist, for those who choose to resist being arrested. And of course this role does not rule them out as being squadmates after they learn why you did what you did if that renegade option is not included. 

Hey on principle I would have no problem with some sort of Renegade option I was just pointing out that killing a Plot provider might cause problems.  To be honest though I just expect us to get a cut-scene of Shep getting arrested or handing himself in wearing a helmet of course so we can't see the face. 

[Pwener2313]

Dave666 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

No one can take Shepard in. He'll break free in seconds.

Unless he gets sedated in which case he'll wake up in two days. lol

And then he'll kick ass and blow up a system like he did in Arrival.

[Estelindis]

Dave666 wrote...

Not to derail the thread but I posted the following on another thread (where it was promptly burried by two guys arguing) and to me this seems reasonable.

Just throwing this one out there. I liked the VS have saves with both and while the VS not being in Arrival wasn't a deal breaker it was a missed opportunity (IMO) and in a way I can understand peoples concerns. With ME:2 they rewrote Liara's character, it makes sense from a story perspective, but it was still changed. Had they included the VS we would have some indication of which direction the writers were taking them and people could voice concerns or praise. As it currently stands we have no idea and complaining after ME:3 is already out is pointless.

Hey, I thought this was reasonable when you posted it in that other thread.  Sadly, I guess sensible posts are often less likely to provoke responses!  People just like to be outraged sometimes, I think.

Anyway, I don't think that having the VS arrest Shepard (or try to do so) would particularly endear them to the fanbase, especially since many (not including myself) view them as traitors after Horizon.  But, honestly, I don't think that this should be Bioware's main concern.  The central question should be whether or not it's in-character for them to do this.  And I don't think it is.  Ashley and Kaidan wouldn't trust or support Cerberus, but that doesn't mean they're going to try to hinder Shepard or his/her mission.  They witnessed the Reaper threat for themselves and they know what's at stake.

[Dave666]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

No one can take Shepard in. He'll break free in seconds.

Unless he gets sedated in which case he'll wake up in two days. lol

And then he'll kick ass and blow up a system like he did in Arrival.

Lets just how Shep doesn't wake up in Sol system then or the Reapers are out of luck. 

[James2912]

Dave666 wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

Have you considered the problems with your proposed Renegade option? The VS was left out of ME:2 so that they would be alive for ME:3 implying that they would have heavy plot relevance. None of the ME:2 Squaddies can have that level of relevance because in any given save file they might be dead. If you kill the VS then the story can't progress.

Arresting Shepard would make them important to the plot. 

Maybe during the trial the VS could realize what a mistake they made and end up breaking you out. Then there could be a tearful apology or whatever for all the shat they have given you. 

True but if you used your Renegade option you've already killed them by this point, also lets face it the VS is going to have WAY more plot relevance than just the prison break variety.  They more or less have to because of the SM survivors variables of being alive or dead.  Thats not to say that I believe that the SM Survivers will not have any plot relevance, I just suspect it will be a minor one.  Have Tali alive? Yup! Ok then you find it easier to sway the Quarians to your side etc.  Without Tali you can still sway the Quarians its just MUCH harder.  Thats sort of what I'm hoping for/expecting.

However given that we've had little to no exposition on the Reapers (i.e. how the hell we're going to stop them) then we need someone to provide it, the VS seems likely to me.

I even haven't made up my mind on the renegade option, i just thought it might be a dark twist, for those who choose to resist being arrested. And of course this role does not rule them out as being squadmates after they learn why you did what you did if that renegade option is not included. 

Hey on principle I would have no problem with some sort of Renegade option I was just pointing out that killing a Plot provider might cause problems.  To be honest though I just expect us to get a cut-scene of Shep getting arrested or handing himself in wearing a helmet of course so we can't see the face. 

I'm expecting the same thing actually, but its fun to speculate. I  don't think they have a lot of room for the trial to be that important.