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[kingjezza]

I'm so bored of DA2 I can't even bring myself to finish it let alone replay it, I've been half way through act 3 for weeks now.

Actually if anything I'm more tempted to have another run on Origins.

[madisoncb15]

Exactly. Whether it's talking to Flemeth in the beginning, or siding with somebody at the end of the game, it doesn't matter which "multiple arrowed dialogue quest option" i pick, the ending result is the exact same. It's not like DAO or KotoR where you can choose to let somebody live or kill them. Either option you choose, it's the same result

[Killer3000ad]

madisoncb15 wrote...

Exactly. Whether it's talking to Flemeth in the beginning, or siding with somebody at the end of the game, it doesn't matter which "multiple arrowed dialogue quest option" i pick, the ending result is the exact same. It's not like DAO or KotoR where you can choose to let somebody live or kill them. Either option you choose, it's the same result

Oh KoToR..... the end of my ultra Sith playthrough with the Sith fleet moving out of the Star Forge...... what happened Bioware? Did Obsidian take that bit of your talent away? Just look at the multiple outcomes available in Fallout New Vegas!

Modifié par Killer3000ad, 05 avril 2011 - 03:21 .

[Dragoonlordz]

PirateT138 wrote...

I disagree, there are different ways to build your characters but that's about the only reason to replay it, everything else goes down the exact same way (almost exactly, at least) and you have little, if any, role to play in changing the events.

Edit: not that it doesn't have some replayability, it's just not as enjoyable.

At least when you get to the end of some of the sections on Origins you can make changes to the world, and the reprecussions of your choices are explained at the end (because Origins had a real end, not a bookmark).

As well as don't forget the big slam in the face of "To be continued..." at the end. Essentially that is more in line with Penny Arcade episode approach than a $60 full retail game. To me it's more akin to there is no replay value because you never completed it in the first place you just get told to wait for DLC or another game at a later date.

[quickthorn]

I have never been able to complete a second playthrough of DA:O, even though I liked the game. I actually quite enjoy the Fade section as long as I don't stress out too much about the risk of missing something. On the other hand I cannot stand the Deep Roads or the whole Orzammar part of the game and that always seems to be the point where I give up.

[ginzaen]

Freeway911 wrote...

WingsandRings wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

I will have to respectfully disagree.

The Fade and The Deeproads were an embarrassment to this game.

I would have rated DA:2 higher than 7/8 had those areas not been dumbed down for the masses.

The Fade and Deep Roads were "dumbed down for the masses" because they weren't...long?

That's what I inferred from what you said.  It is very possible I am completely misinterpretting.

Two complaints I have heard about DAO was the deep roads and the fade being to long. My wife complained everytime she made a run through the fade about how much she hated it. I don't see a problem with either of those parts of the game in DAO

So people complain about those in DAO they get cut back and shortened in DA2, not saying because people complained, and like magic people complain about them being to short.

I think people just like to moan.

[tariq071]

Melca36 wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

I agree
with you, OP. I also play on the consoles, mostly cuz I can't afford a
high-end PC, so I miss out on all the fun mods that made DA:O more
replayable.

That being said, I still had multiple playthroughs
of DA:O. Despite the fact that the games really start to blend together
after Ostagar, and despite the roughest slogs of the game (The Fade, the
Deep Roads, etc), I still had about 5 full playthroughs of the game and
dozens of partial playthroughs.

Funny thing is, I'm doing the same with DA II. It's just as replayable to me as Origins.

Its a myth that you have to pay top dollar for a high end PC.    [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Yah, that is really getting to be lame excuse now, example:

http://www.ibuypower.com/  (This is just example)

You get gaming  PC, with quality parts that is at least 2-3 times better than any current console for $500.You can even get cheaper if you wait for the deals or look around more.

As for grinding , what exactly is "grinding" in DA:O? If you compare it to older classics there is no "grinding" whatsoever.Eve DA:O is lighter RP game, so we are clear that i don't hold it as an pinacle of gamming.

Plus, i don't want instant gratification . I have a save in Oblivion that is around  150 hours long and i haven't even start Main quest yet.That possibility  beats any silly 30 hour so-called game for me.

If i want 30 hour long game on rails i'll play FPS( and won't have an issue with it) and expect from RPG to provide depth and lenght with variety of options and outcomes.And definitely not 80% of things and so-called features that are DA 2.

For an Action Adventure, DA 2 is decent game, but from  RP game perspective is total embarassment.

Modifié par tariq071, 05 avril 2011 - 03:40 .

[Jamesnew2]

Melca36 wrote...

I will have to respectfully disagree.

The Fade and The Deeproads were an embarrassment to this game.

I would have rated DA:2 higher than 7/8 had those areas not been dumbed down for the masses.

Hahaha no.  The main complaints where that the fact the fade and the deep roads took FOREVER! and i mean forever.

[Lestatman]

I personally like those long sections in the Deep Roads but can understand those who don't and its a balancing act for Bioware as their never going to please everyone. DA2 section of the deep roads just felt far too short and over too quick but that's just my preference.

A good game should be replayable due to its overall feel and not down to 1 or 2 sections. Being human nature there is always some section that we don't like compared to the rest.

[Dragoonlordz]

Imo the Deep Roads in DAO were as supposed to be a 'large' interconnecting area of tunnels where darkspawn tend to come and go from, so yeh it's big and yes its made up of tunnels and yes it has a lot of darkspawn. What exactly are people expecting it to be like? The same as DA2 where it's more like a trip to the seaside one thats only 5 minutes away and is about as long as my finger (which isn't long incase you think I'm a freak with super duper long fingers lol). The DAO version was better done easily compared to DA2 imho.
I cannot come away from people who say think DAO Deep Roads is worse than DA2's without thinking it's more about attention span of theirs. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 05 avril 2011 - 03:53 .

[Jussylein]

Yes it is me, I play no need DA 2 a second time, actually should Bioware games are known for the excitement and fun but I feel in this part under any circumstances, on the contrary, I have my love for DA 1 found and roam through during my 8 DA 2 I've only played 3 times! Even Mass Effect 1 +2 managed to play through to 12 times with me

[Desty Nova]

The tediousness of the Fade was the worst part of Origins replayability for me. The worst part is that I feel obligated to take my time though it because of the free stat power-ups sprinkled throughout. It feels like the developers were trying to compensate you for the tedium, but accidently added more instead.

I had no problem with the deep roads (which I actually liked) or any other grindy parts of the game.

That being said, I'm almost finished with my first playthrough of DA2 and I dread the thought of a second attempt. The sheer variety of DA:O is what made the replayability for me. DA2 doesn't have enough variety for one playthrough, let alone multiple ones.

[Orion34]

WingsandRings wrote...



I dread the Fade.  I dread the Deep Roads.  I dread all those floors of the Werewolf lair.  DA:O had a LOT of really REALLY long periods where you did nothing but level grind with no plot movement at all.  Just hack and slash, hack and slash.  No choices to make, no witty dialogue, not even interesting things to click on.  Just kill the darkspawn, kill the undead, etc.  And some of them you can't break up.  Once you're in the Fade, you're just stuck, for like 2 hours (average amount of time it takes me) and you're not going anywhere or doing ANYTHING except opening doors.

I found when I replayed DA2 that I didn't have that one section or plotline that I dreaded.  There are plots that have overarching pieces throughout an Act, or boss battles that take a really long time, but  there's not that one (or 2 or 3) entire area(s) that you get stuck in and then you just GRIND FOREVER.

I found the Deep Roads to be much more tolerable in DA2 than compared to Origins since the map was smaller. The thing is though, the average enemy in DA2 sometimes takes forever to take down. So I didn't really dread the Deep Roads or the Fade in DA2,but instead I couldn't stand to be in Lowtown or Hightown at night or traveling along the Wounded Coast,fighting off a legion of bandits with some that nearly have the health bar of a mini boss. It's not as horrible in the first act,but I've noticed in the second act they all seem to level up with me,making my attacks feel even weaker and drawing out the process even longer.

[Mekah]

Deep Roads in Origins were a little drawn-out, but honestly I can't think of anything less replayable than DA2.

Choices matter less, so there's not as much incentive to take different paths.

There are so few environments to see I was already sick of them by the end of the first playthrough.

Combat is far more repetetive and lacks tactical choices that Origins had.

You don't even get the benefit of using specializations you had to unlock in the first playthrough like you did in Origins, now you just have access to them all right from the start.

[The_FenixV]

Only thing I hate the most in Origins is the fade, since I'm in console I can't escape that, which makes more than two playthroughs a bit hard to do.

[Haexpane]

WingsandRings wrote...

Let me just say: objectively, I think DA:O is a better game. 

That pretty much says it all.

[Haexpane]

Melca36 wrote...
 

Its a myth that you have to pay top dollar for a high end PC.    <_<

Yes DirectX 11 vid cards are FREE now!  Get one w/ every copy of Fable 3 PC!

[Melca36]

Haexpane wrote...

Melca36 wrote...
 

Its a myth that you have to pay top dollar for a high end PC.    <_<

Yes DirectX 11 vid cards are FREE now!  Get one w/ every copy of Fable 3 PC!

My videocard supports DirectX 11 and did not cost that much. My husband builds gaming machines too and they don't cost a fortune to make like you assume.

[Dormiglione]

I played almost 8 playthrough in DAO and i love each part of it. I would stay the whole game in the deep roads. What can i say, i love DAO.
DA2 i played by now 3 playthrough. Just for the curiosity to see if my decisions change the story. Now im on my last playthrough (4) just to complete the achievement.
As soon that i finish i start a new playthrough in DAO.
I like DAO much more than DA2. But this is a personal preference.

[Haexpane]

Melca36 wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Melca36 wrote...
 

Its a myth that you have to pay top dollar for a high end PC.    <_<

Yes DirectX 11 vid cards are FREE now!  Get one w/ every copy of Fable 3 PC!

My videocard supports DirectX 11 and did not cost that much. My husband builds gaming machines too and they don't cost a fortune to make like you assume.

Yes PCs are free!  In fact if you get the latest Nvidia card, they will give you money!  This "myth" that cutting edge video cards are more than $10 is just that, a MYTH. I can build a Crysis 2 MONSTER rig from scratch for less than the price of DAO DLC!

[tariq071]

Haexpane wrote...



Yes PCs are free!  In fact if you get the latest Nvidia card, they will give you money!  This "myth" that cutting edge video cards are more than $10 is just that, a MYTH. I can build a Crysis 2 MONSTER rig from scratch for less than the price of DAO DLC!

What in the world are you talking about?

I have posted link above(as an example) and you can see there plenty of $500 gaming PC's with DX11 Video card, that can eat any console for lunch.

If you buy console and all necessities it will come to roughly the same price, except you are getting subpar PC with very limited functionality(and DX9 in case of Xbox).

Don't complain about not being able to get best of the best for that price , when consoles are, specs wise, bellow  the level of even lowliest PC sold in the stores today .

Modifié par tariq071, 05 avril 2011 - 07:19 .

[Damicles]

Wouldn't bother arguing about getting a PC its not the case that their cheap to get or build. Its the fact that console users would have to use their brain to figure out how to use their new PC instead of just pushing one button on their console to load up their games.

[Bathead]

If I said how I really felt about such a ridiculous statement, I'd likely get banned, so I'll just say  ...
And people wonder why some PC players get tagged with the term elitist,  ^^^^ there's your answer.^^^^

Modifié par Bathead, 08 avril 2011 - 11:36 .

[Melca36]

Jamesnew2 wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

I will have to respectfully disagree.

The Fade and The Deeproads were an embarrassment to this game.

I would have rated DA:2 higher than 7/8 had those areas not been dumbed down for the masses.

Hahaha no.  The main complaints where that the fact the fade and the deep roads took FOREVER! and i mean forever.

They never took forever for me.

There needs to be a reasonable compromise.  I don't like paying for dumbed down games.

[Melca36]

Haexpane wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Melca36 wrote...
 

Its a myth that you have to pay top dollar for a high end PC.    <_<

Yes DirectX 11 vid cards are FREE now!  Get one w/ every copy of Fable 3 PC!

You have no idea what you are talking about. <_<


My videocard supports DirectX 11 and did not cost that much. My husband builds gaming machines too and they don't cost a fortune to make like you assume.

Yes PCs are free!  In fact if you get the latest Nvidia card, they will give you money!  This "myth" that cutting edge video cards are more than $10 is just that, a MYTH. I can build a Crysis 2 MONSTER rig from scratch for less than the price of DAO DLC!