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[Melca36]

Bathead wrote...

If I said how I really felt about such a ridiculous statement, I'd likely get banned, so I'll just say  ...
And people wonder why some PC players get tagged with the term elitist,  ^^^^ there's your answer.^^^^

If some console users would not spread lies about the cost of building a PC,  then both sides would get along better.

[dano525k]

I don't see myself ever replaying DA2...I finished my play through and it only made me want to play DA:O again.  Honestly, I'm enjoying my 5th time playing DA:O more than DA2. 

I get where the OP is coming from somewhat.   I play on console as well and it's less than (and it's not just the lack of mods) ideal for these games.  However, I don't mind the fade or the deep roads...the deep roads imo should be kind of long to make sense story wise and the fade was fun to figure out the first time (not to mention surprising how you ended up there) and really doesn't take that much time once you know what you have to do.  That's not to say that there aren't a few things I don't like about DO:A but overall I enjoy the game because there isso much there that I love and it makes up for it.

DA:2 -I enjoyed the story well enough but I have no reason to play it again.  I've already had the same fight over and over in the same locations over and over, just in one play through.  I can't really do anything different that I care about...kill a certain troublemaker? meh.  Different fate for whatever sibling is selected based on my class choice?  double meh

There's no way to make a game that everyone is going to like every part of it.  We all have different preferences.  For me, the extra work that went into the story, characters (even minor ones), enemies (not popping out of thin air repeatedly in the most ridiculous and predictable way) and the conversations that you could have with your companions or even random npcs...all that attention to detail in DA:O is what makes it imo a better game and more replayable.

Modifié par dano525k, 09 avril 2011 - 12:49 .

[Lumikki]

I have played more times DA2 than DAO. I think reason is very simple, I know the story of DAO, there isn't anything in that anymore. So, it's all about gameplay after that.

In my opinion gameplay it self are pretty much same as how good they are, both has bad and good points. How ever, there is more grining feeling in DAO in sertain areas than in DA2's many shorter quests. I really don't wanna go in DAO deep roads at all, even thinking it makes me want to run far from gaming. While there is also nice parts what I would like to play. In DA2 all quest are pretty short, but maybe I would also say, they are little too much the same too.

In simple term it's easyer to replay when you know it's short and soon done, than thinking to go DAO deep roads and do it all for what? Grind for levels? I think the Deep Roads and Merrill recruit in DA2 was well done as how long it was. Some of DA2 quest could even be little too short at least in act 1.

Modifié par Lumikki, 09 avril 2011 - 01:50 .

[GeorgeZip]

I find the talent trees in DA2 much more interesting than DAO. The specializations of DAO were more like finishing touches whereas in DA2 they really shape your combat style.

The story of DAO seemed to have so much more detail that you'll pick up on in later play throughs. In my third DA2 run I really haven't learned anything new despite trying to make different choices.

[Cariborne]

Alright, now I've played Origins 12-13 times over all three platforms. And I still plan on playing it 3 more times before I feel 100% done with it with everything I want to carry over into Dragon Age 2. Origins is quite awesome; but because of the Side-Quests in Denerim, the Fade and the Deep Roads, I can't stand to really play that game anymore, it's just so... ew.

Then I come to Dragon Age 2, I've yet to find a phase in the game that makes me want to headbutt a baby. The game itself moves a lot faster, has a lot less slowdown, and I find the story more engaging because you don't spend 3/4th of the game doing random stuff to start a Landsmeet. It's more Linear, yes, but Linear isn't always bad when Origins didn't really give you Feedback until the Epilogue. You got a few altered lines, maybe an extra scene. Dragon Age 2 appears to have more serious repercussions in the lines of game play. People actually pop up if they didn't die earlier, lines change more drastically, events unfold differently, alternate rewards. I dunno, Dragon Age 2 just feels more alive then Origins to me. Even if the story is exaggerated by Varric xD

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

I'll have to disagree. I'm about to start my sixth run through Origins to see a new beginning. I quit partway through Act 1 in DA2 because I realized my decisions only led to slightly different dialog and no one cared I was a mage in a city that oppresses mages.

[erynnar]

Lumikki wrote...

I have played more times DA2 than DAO. I think reason is very simple, I know the story of DAO, there isn't anything in that anymore. So, it's all about gameplay after that.

In my opinion gameplay it self are pretty much same as how good they are, both has bad and good points. How ever, there is more grining feeling in DAO in sertain areas than in DA2's many shorter quests. I really don't wanna go in DAO deep roads at all, even thinking it makes me want to run far from gaming. While there is also nice parts what I would like to play. In DA2 all quest are pretty short, but maybe I would also say, they are little too much the same too.

In simple term it's easyer to replay when you know it's short and soon done, than thinking to go DAO deep roads and do it all for what? Grind for levels? I think the Deep Roads and Merrill recruit in DA2 was well done as how long it was. Some of DA2 quest could even be little too short at least in act 1.

And it is the opposite for me. I don't mind the Fade or the Deep Roads ( I mean part of me hates the Deep Roads just because they still creep me out...so isolated and far from civilization:? ).  DA2 is so damn repetitive! From the same bunch of dudes all with some contrived grievance (all with the same armor, or so close you can't tell) with dogs, without dogs; and so well amassed you'd think the Qunari weren't the only ones invading Kirkwall (which is so boring and static I would gladly give it to them if I could only get the Hell out). They parachute from above, appear out of nowhere, and show up out of blind alleys. I mean try taking the dog for a walk or to get a pint of milk and voila, a random group jumps you.  When you're done with that try walking half a block and here comes another group.  Every 30 ****ing seconds some gang with their panties in a knot for no good reason try and molest you.

It's funny the first ...three times it happens. After that it's a real yawn fest. And I would have lost a certain party member <spoiler> on their quest if it had realistic parameters like in ME2 with the time it took me to fend off every stinkin' group who wanted to pull out the brass band and stick up my Hawke's bum.  Writing this is more fun than playing it.

And then comes the same damn dungeons over, and over , and over.  Some with cement over doors you went through before (as though the Keebler elves had taken up a second job blocking doorways for extra money because of the bad economy. And more often then not, they did it five minutes before I showed up again in the same cave just from the opposite side).

Some with the cement as the door when you pull the lever and the block is suddenly a door (must be due to hitting the awesome button)!.  A full map that doesn't let you go anywhere. The cave (and I say THE cave as there was only one) was so pretty at first. I really loved it...until I left it after rescuing a young man <no spoilers> only to leave and come back to the SAME cave just from a different side. *sigh* It's like the dungeons are all made of shampoo...lather, rinse, repeat.  Act 1 it wasn't so bad. By Act 3 I am ready to run screaming in circles pulling my hair out from the sheer ennui it causes.  

I am so purely sick of the Wounded Coast that I dread going back. I loved the view the first few times, but afer running around in conveluted circles and down the same paths...the sky stopped being pretty and the view became bleh.  I just wanted to run through it on each act and fil out the map...again and get it over with . It was the Deep Roads with no ceiling, no interesting architecture (the dwarven thaigs) and the only thing I can say for the coast...at least it was well lit. The only things missing that could have made it worse were sand fleas and grit in my crotch.

Shorter only made it more tedious for me.  As someone else said on this forum, splendid in it's mediocrity. I don't play any MMORPGs at the moment. I am however a player of such blasts from the past as EverCrack, Dark Ages of Camelot, and WoW.  I despise the stupid quests which mean nothing ( I turn in a pair of knickers, torn no less, to a dwarf I have never met. And whose trousers had a note saying, "if you find please return to," I suppose since that would explain the big sodding yellow magical arrow drifting over his head like some demented balloon). If I wanted an MMORPG I would play one. Running from arrow to arrow is an MMORPG, not an RPG single player.

If DA2 held my hand any more to play it than it did, I  would either have to get a restraining order or a pre-nup.  Since I don't hate the game, I am really not sure which it would be.

Modifié par erynnar, 09 avril 2011 - 02:44 .

[C9316]

I have to disagree, I play on the Xbox and I'll take tedious level grinding like the fade and the deep roads over recycled,broken up trash like DA2.

[Judge585]

I agree with the OP. I beat Awakening recently after playing DAII, and Awakening brought back all the memories of the poor gameplay mechanics of DA:O to reality. I will likely delete my DA:O install on my PC harddrive seeing that I've already transferred my saves to DAII for the last time. Let's just say that I'm now happily back on my third playthrough of DAII as a rogue.

[neppakyo]

Judge585 wrote...

I agree with the OP. I beat Awakening recently after playing DAII, and Awakening brought back all the memories of the poor gameplay mechanics of DA:O to reality. I will likely delete my DA:O install on my PC harddrive seeing that I've already transferred my saves to DAII for the last time. Let's just say that I'm now happily back on my third playthrough of DAII as a rogue.

you know the save import is bugged, right?

[Judge585]

neppakyo wrote...

Judge585 wrote...

I agree with the OP. I beat Awakening recently after playing DAII, and Awakening brought back all the memories of the poor gameplay mechanics of DA:O to reality. I will likely delete my DA:O install on my PC harddrive seeing that I've already transferred my saves to DAII for the last time. Let's just say that I'm now happily back on my third playthrough of DAII as a rogue.

you know the save import is bugged, right?

More reason for me to delete DA:O, then. The only thing holding me back was if I wanted to play another character on DAII with my Awakening save.

[Soul Cool]

Haexpane wrote...
Yes DirectX 11 vid cards are FREE now!  Get one w/ every copy of Fable 3 PC!

Sure, you could buil a PC for $15,000 if you were insane, but why bother when something like $900 would suffice to play almost all modern games on at least medium settings, if not higher?


Not to mention all the extra things a PC can do that are much better than what current consoles allow.

Also, before you ask, I own a PS3 and a 360. I just recognize that there are some things PCs do better. <_< (Like my beloved RTS games. )

Modifié par Soul Cool, 09 avril 2011 - 04:39 .

[brightblueink]

In my experience, not only did I enjoy DA2 enough to play through it again, it actually made me more interested in replaying Origins. I never even made it all the way through Awakenings because after a certain point I got fed up with the battle system and the inventory system. I just didn't want to deal with it anymore. DA2 renewed my love for the world and story of the series--I just started another Origins playthrough, and I'm hoping to make it all the way through Awakenings and Witch Hunt this time around.

[Serpieri Nei]

Judge585 wrote...

I agree with the OP. I beat Awakening recently after playing DAII, and Awakening brought back all the memories of the poor gameplay mechanics of DA:O to reality. I will likely delete my DA:O install on my PC harddrive seeing that I've already transferred my saves to DAII for the last time. Let's just say that I'm now happily back on my third playthrough of DAII as a rogue.

Only thing about the combat is that its faster, which should be slowed down a bit. Had a friend who thought it was more tactical from the demo he tried so I took my save on the Orsino fight and he Initiated the battle then we grabbed our portables and played some CoD.

Guess who won the fight ?

Here's a hint, he decided not to buy DA:2

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 09 avril 2011 - 04:54 .

[Judge585]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Judge585 wrote...

I agree with the OP. I beat Awakening recently after playing DAII, and Awakening brought back all the memories of the poor gameplay mechanics of DA:O to reality. I will likely delete my DA:O install on my PC harddrive seeing that I've already transferred my saves to DAII for the last time. Let's just say that I'm now happily back on my third playthrough of DAII as a rogue.

Only thing about the combat is that its faster, which should be slowed down a bit. Had a friend who thought it was more tactical from the demo he tried so I took my save on the Orsino fight and he Initiated the battle then we grabbed our portables and played some CoD.

Guess who won the fight ?

Here's a hint, he decided not to buy DA:2

When I mentioned "gameplay mechanics," it went beyond just the combat system, which I do think DAII is generally superior. But, that's not the only thing as it also included quest markers on fast travel map, "r" for take all while looting, etc.

So, you're taking an anonymous friend who played only the demo and a single fight (you should really add a spoiler tag) with your save to argue against my opinion of the game? Seriously? For the record, I've beat DA:O twice as mage and rogue, then to DAII as mage, warrior, then to Awakening as mage.

Modifié par Judge585, 09 avril 2011 - 05:28 .

[Rockpopple]

Melca36 wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

I agree with you, OP. I also play on the consoles, mostly cuz I can't afford a high-end PC, so I miss out on all the fun mods that made DA:O more replayable.

That being said, I still had multiple playthroughs of DA:O. Despite the fact that the games really start to blend together after Ostagar, and despite the roughest slogs of the game (The Fade, the Deep Roads, etc), I still had about 5 full playthroughs of the game and dozens of partial playthroughs.

Funny thing is, I'm doing the same with DA II. It's just as replayable to me as Origins.

Its a myth that you have to pay top dollar for a high end PC.    <_<

Depends on where you are. Where I live I high end PC would cost me at least $1000 new and ordering online isn't an option for me. Maybe that's chump-change to you lot. Maybe you can order something from anywhere in the world and they'll have it on your doorstep in days. Goody for you. Don't presume everyone else pays the same as you. It'd be nice if some PC elitists didn't have their heads so far up their own puckers to not realise that not everyone is in remotely the same situation they're in, but such is life.

Now I'll be accused of whining about my economic situation, when the only reason I had to bring it up is because slashes were accusing me of "spreading myths". Gotta love the internet.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 09 avril 2011 - 05:36 .

[Zzgashi]

I have to disagree as I think DA:O is more replayable. DA2 simply didn't have anything new to explore in a second playthrough (except a new romance). It's very easy to see it all in just one go.

[Nassegris]

Well… for me, yes, I didn’t like the Fade in Origins on my third or fourth play-through, but I suffered through it because there was so much to suffer through it for. I wanted to try playing through the game as a Dalish hunter, or I wanted to go through it as a Mage, and hey, what would it be like if I was a human noble, would it be different then, what will it feel like in this or that interaction when I’m friends with Zevran or when he’s about to betray me, or when Morrigan hates my guts?

There were so many places in the game I wanted to get with, with individual, different characters to get a feel for it that I was happy to trudge through the Fade to get there.

Whereas there are maybe three scenes overall in DA2 that matter at all to me, and almost the rest of the game feels like the Fade for me. Endless stretches of areas I feel all too familiar with, with spawns of mobs (hello, group of evil guys number #2 that attack for no good reason and spawn on top of each other) jumping me around every corner, when these are corners I already know, already walked by. Kirkwall was…. painful. The whole of Kirkwall was grind, nonsensical quests that made no difference for my character, fights that didn’t bring the plot forward, streets I’ve walked a thousand times.

So for me, no, replay value isn’t high. I’ve tried starting over three times now. It feels the same. My character has the same background. The results of what I say and do is the same. The streets are the same. The ruffians jumping me are the same. Because I come from the same origins, I’m always Hawke, I’m always human and even if I behave like a lunatic people still call me a Champion, it’s really, really hard for me to get very far with even a second play-through.

But yes, I can see where the original poster is coming from. I probably couldn’t play Origins on an Xbox at ALL because the original characters and customisation was kind of dreadful without mods, but for me personally, there’s just not much reason to play through DA2 again. At all.

[Serpieri Nei]

Judge585 wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Judge585 wrote...

I agree with the OP. I beat Awakening recently after playing DAII, and Awakening brought back all the memories of the poor gameplay mechanics of DA:O to reality. I will likely delete my DA:O install on my PC harddrive seeing that I've already transferred my saves to DAII for the last time. Let's just say that I'm now happily back on my third playthrough of DAII as a rogue.

Only thing about the combat is that its faster, which should be slowed down a bit. Had a friend who thought it was more tactical from the demo he tried so I took my save on the Orsino fight and he Initiated the battle then we grabbed our portables and played some CoD.

Guess who won the fight ?

Here's a hint, he decided not to buy DA:2

When I mentioned "gameplay mechanics," it went beyond just the combat system, which I do think DAII is generally superior. But, that's not the only thing as it also included quest markers on fast travel map, "r" for take all while looting, etc.

So, you're taking an anonymous friend who played only the demo and a single fight (you should really add a spoiler tag) with your save to argue against my opinion of the game? Seriously? For the record, I've beat DA:O twice as mage and rogue, then to DAII as mage, warrior, then to Awakening as mage.

It's clearly not superior since it doesn't require user input . Don't remmeber anybody ever saying they got lost in DA:Origns, they had quest markers in each instance that was not recycled to death. Who needed a fast travel map, when I can get a random encounter for some more fun. Looting is not really innecessary in DA2, since your limited on what can be used for yourself and party, and the other stuff is junk.

Here's the real Kicker, the amount of gameplay on one Origins playthrough equates to about 2-3 playthroughs of DA2 just to come close but who can stand being locked into Kirkwall for that long.

[Melca36]

Rockpopple wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

I agree with you, OP. I also play on the consoles, mostly cuz I can't afford a high-end PC, so I miss out on all the fun mods that made DA:O more replayable.

That being said, I still had multiple playthroughs of DA:O. Despite the fact that the games really start to blend together after Ostagar, and despite the roughest slogs of the game (The Fade, the Deep Roads, etc), I still had about 5 full playthroughs of the game and dozens of partial playthroughs.

Funny thing is, I'm doing the same with DA II. It's just as replayable to me as Origins.

Its a myth that you have to pay top dollar for a high end PC.    <_<

Depends on where you are. Where I live I high end PC would cost me at least $1000 new and ordering online isn't an option for me. Maybe that's chump-change to you lot. Maybe you can order something from anywhere in the world and they'll have it on your doorstep in days. Goody for you. Don't presume everyone else pays the same as you. It'd be nice if some PC elitists didn't have their heads so far up their own puckers to not realise that not everyone is in remotely the same situation they're in, but such is life.

Now I'll be accused of whining about my economic situation, when the only reason I had to bring it up is because slashes were accusing me of "spreading myths". Gotta love the internet.

You can build a decent PC that plays all the latests games for well under $1000.   I do agree that computers are expensive.  Its far cheaper to build one. My husband builds them. My 60 year old father builds them.  I've built three on my own.

You do not need a degree to build a machine.

Its not the question of being elitist. Games have been simplified and dumbed down for consoles and I just resent that.

[Melca36]

Soul Cool wrote...

Haexpane wrote...
Yes DirectX 11 vid cards are FREE now!  Get one w/ every copy of Fable 3 PC!

Sure, you could buil a PC for $15,000 if you were insane, but why bother when something like $900 would suffice to play almost all modern games on at least medium settings, if not higher?


Not to mention all the extra things a PC can do that are much better than what current consoles allow.

Also, before you ask, I own a PS3 and a 360. I just recognize that there are some things PCs do better. <_< (Like my beloved RTS games. )

Thank you.

Its nice to see some consolers see the truth.   

I had a 360 once....It died after 6 months.  I realized they are no better than those cheap $300 computers that are available.

[MEBengal2008]

WingsandRings wrote...

Let me just say: objectively, I think DA:O is a better game.  I think the story is more complex, and I like the characters better, and I think a lot of the plots and storylines are more fun and the choices are more interesting.  I like DA2, a lot, but I think DA:O is better.

However, I think DA2 for me is more replayable.  I hadn't thought about this until I decided to replay DA:O again (played it 3 times so far) so that I could set up the end game/Awakenings/Witch Hunt for exactly the way I wanted it for the next time I played DA2.  And I'm struggling. Because there are just so many parts of DA:O I DREAD, and I play on Xbox, so I can't use mods.  (And in case anyone is  going to accuse me of being an idiot console gamer, I am a poor grad student.  I inherited an Xbox 360 for free, but I cannot afford a computer that can run a Bioware game.  I have had this console for 5 years, and I own 5 games.  4 of them are Bioware games.  So I do not spend buttloads of money on that either.  So there. Just don't go down that road.) 

I dread the Fade.  I dread the Deep Roads.  I dread all those floors of the Werewolf lair.  DA:O had a LOT of really REALLY long periods where you did nothing but level grind with no plot movement at all.  Just hack and slash, hack and slash.  No choices to make, no witty dialogue, not even interesting things to click on.  Just kill the darkspawn, kill the undead, etc.  And some of them you can't break up.  Once you're in the Fade, you're just stuck, for like 2 hours (average amount of time it takes me) and you're not going anywhere or doing ANYTHING except opening doors.

I found when I replayed DA2 that I didn't have that one section or plotline that I dreaded.  There are plots that have overarching pieces throughout an Act, or boss battles that take a really long time, but  there's not that one (or 2 or 3) entire area(s) that you get stuck in and then you just GRIND FOREVER.

I know a lot of people will disagree with me, and say there was a lot of mindless hack and slash, so I will say again: This is just my opinion. I see a lot of reasons people think DA2 isn't as good as DA:O, and I agree, but I did find something in my own play throughs that I thought DA2 actually exceeded DA:O at (for me) so I just wanted to see if anyone else felt this way.

Dungeon crawling or fade walking isn't easy and isnt quick. It should take you a while. The journey through the made it worth it because of the increase in ability scores. The journey in the deep roads was worth it as you needed the dwarves to help with the blight.

My last complete play through of DAO took me 55 hours and I grind out everything I can. DA2 took me a little under 50 hours for my first and only play through. Right now, without any DLC, I just cannot bring myself to sit through enough 50 hours of DAII.

I taking this free time and working on my first ME2 play through.

[Judge585]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Judge585 wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Judge585 wrote...

I agree with the OP. I beat Awakening recently after playing DAII, and Awakening brought back all the memories of the poor gameplay mechanics of DA:O to reality. I will likely delete my DA:O install on my PC harddrive seeing that I've already transferred my saves to DAII for the last time. Let's just say that I'm now happily back on my third playthrough of DAII as a rogue.

Only thing about the combat is that its faster, which should be slowed down a bit. Had a friend who thought it was more tactical from the demo he tried so I took my save on the Orsino fight and he Initiated the battle then we grabbed our portables and played some CoD.

Guess who won the fight ?

Here's a hint, he decided not to buy DA:2

When I mentioned "gameplay mechanics," it went beyond just the combat system, which I do think DAII is generally superior. But, that's not the only thing as it also included quest markers on fast travel map, "r" for take all while looting, etc.

So, you're taking an anonymous friend who played only the demo and a single fight (you should really add a spoiler tag) with your save to argue against my opinion of the game? Seriously? For the record, I've beat DA:O twice as mage and rogue, then to DAII as mage, warrior, then to Awakening as mage.

It's clearly not superior since it doesn't require user input . Don't remmeber anybody ever saying they got lost in DA:Origns, they had quest markers in each instance that was not recycled to death. Who needed a fast travel map, when I can get a random encounter for some more fun. Looting is not really innecessary in DA2, since your limited on what can be used for yourself and party, and the other stuff is junk.

Here's the real Kicker, the amount of gameplay on one Origins playthrough equates to about 2-3 playthroughs of DA2 just to come close but who can stand being locked into Kirkwall for that long.

Fine, under your reasoning, why even play the game at all since gaming is not "necessary"? Why not just go out and enjoy the sun? Forget both games and move on with your life.

I didn't get lost in the instances, not sure why you brought that up because I didn't mention it, so don't speak for me. Moreover, I grew up on games like the Bard's Tale series on the PC XT from the 80s (not the Xbox version) where you had to draw a map yourself. What is random encounter fun to you is not the same for everybody, so don't assert it as a fact. Same with looting. Hey, at least you manned up and actually shared your own opinion this time around instead of relying on your unnamed source as proof.

The kicker as you called is not the amount of playthroughs or the hours, but how I enjoyed it. I certainly don't play games to oggle at time played. I play it for the enjoyment and the gameplay. If that's how you judge a game, then that's your prerogative.

btw, I'd hate to be your "anonymous friend." If my "friend" came to my place and ripped a game that he knew I had hopes for and urged me to play a spoilerish section of the game, I'd kick him out. Not because of the aforementioned reason, but because it shows his or her complete and utter disrespect for another's opinion.

Modifié par Judge585, 09 avril 2011 - 06:23 .

[Serpieri Nei]

Judge585 wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Judge585 wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Judge585 wrote...

I agree with the OP. I beat Awakening recently after playing DAII, and Awakening brought back all the memories of the poor gameplay mechanics of DA:O to reality. I will likely delete my DA:O install on my PC harddrive seeing that I've already transferred my saves to DAII for the last time. Let's just say that I'm now happily back on my third playthrough of DAII as a rogue.

Only thing about the combat is that its faster, which should be slowed down a bit. Had a friend who thought it was more tactical from the demo he tried so I took my save on the Orsino fight and he Initiated the battle then we grabbed our portables and played some CoD.

Guess who won the fight ?

Here's a hint, he decided not to buy DA:2

When I mentioned "gameplay mechanics," it went beyond just the combat system, which I do think DAII is generally superior. But, that's not the only thing as it also included quest markers on fast travel map, "r" for take all while looting, etc.

So, you're taking an anonymous friend who played only the demo and a single fight (you should really add a spoiler tag) with your save to argue against my opinion of the game? Seriously? For the record, I've beat DA:O twice as mage and rogue, then to DAII as mage, warrior, then to Awakening as mage.

It's clearly not superior since it doesn't require user input . Don't remmeber anybody ever saying they got lost in DA:Origns, they had quest markers in each instance that was not recycled to death. Who needed a fast travel map, when I can get a random encounter for some more fun. Looting is not really innecessary in DA2, since your limited on what can be used for yourself and party, and the other stuff is junk.

Here's the real Kicker, the amount of gameplay on one Origins playthrough equates to about 2-3 playthroughs of DA2 just to come close but who can stand being locked into Kirkwall for that long.

Fine, under your reasoning, why even play the game at all since gaming is not "necessary"? Why not just go out and enjoy the sun? Forget both games and move on with your life.

I didn't get lost in the instances, not sure why you brought that up because I didn't mention it, so don't speak for me. Moreover, I grew up on games like the Bard's Tale series on the PC XT from the 80s (not the Xbox version) where you had to draw a map yourself. What is random encounter fun to you is not the same for everybody, so don't assert it as a fact. Same with looting. Hey, at least you manned up and actually shared your own opinion this time around instead of relying on your unnamed source as proof.

The kicker as you called is not the amount of playthroughs or the hours, but how I enjoyed it. I certainly don't play games to oggle at time played. I play it for the enjoyment and the gameplay. If that's how you judge a game, then that's your prerogative.

btw, I'd hate to be your "anonymous friend." If my "friend" came to my place and ripped a game that he knew I had hopes for and urged me to play a spoilerish section of the game, I'd kick him out. Not because of the aforementioned reason, but because it shows his or her complete and utter disrespect for another's opinion.

My reasoning is pretty simple, games should be played and they shouldn't play themselves but that’s
what you get when a game is too easy. Who cares the combat is faster, if it requires less input from the user. 

Never said you got lost, simply pointing out that felt quest markers on the quest map was so great when such indicators where in DA:O as well for the instances and not on the map. No one every pointed out how
they got lost or didn't know where to go. But I think I understand what your trying to convey, some people that can't be bothered to actually read so thosemarkers are handy for them. 

Don't like random encounters, so does that mean its fact since your asserting your opinion on the matter. You should really stop making assumptions, you’re putting way too much emphasis on you believe is
to be right. Sorry, I don't like fast travel and I never did care for Whack a Mole either. I must say that I do find you entertaining though, my so called anonymous source can't post on the registered forums but I'm sure he'll find
this interesting. And don't worry about me manning up, my posts are everywhere and many of which have received great input from the community, and quite a few who asked my permission to quote/post them elsewhere. It seems DA:2 may not be as enjoyable or replayable as you think but don't let that stop you I can't wait for your next colorful remark. Actually, I can. Sorry, about bursting your bubble. I wonder if this is the part where you bring ego into this?

Your an interesting person, but your deflection skills are grade school at best. Should I make an assumption, and show you why those that make them only make themselves out to be the first three letters of the word? I'll make it clear for you, DA:0 provided two to three times more content then DA:2 that was not only enjoyable but a challenge. 

I'll be fair, I'd hate to be you since you’re so full of contradictions saying one thing then doing the opposite. And let's not forget your unfounded assumptions. My friend already knows the entire story of DA:2, there’s a thing out their called the Internet. Maybe you should look it up. I hope you have friends where you can get together talk about life, games, the weather, and all the other stuff. You see there are people out there that hate to waste money on mediocre products. My friend just happens to be one of them but if it makes you feel better I'll leave you out of it.

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 09 avril 2011 - 07:40 .

[CaolIla]

I played 600 hours DA:O, finished DA2 twice and am bored as soon as I see Greywall with its nice grey walls and stuff.

For me the answer is obvious. I spent more time on my first playthrough of DA:O than I will ever spend on playing DA2. Seen all three dungeon at least 20 times by now so why should I replay? especially since no decision has consequences besides just not being able to play a certain quest Oo.