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Let me just say: objectively, I think DA:O is a better game.  I think the story is more complex


I stopped reading here. Whatever Origins' merits were, a complex story was not among them.

I think DAII is more replayable than Origins because it's simply more fun to play. Origins was superior in many (many) ways, but it just wasn't as much fun for me, when it got down to the nitty-gritty.

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I played Origins twice. I do not intend to replay DA 2. The reason? DA 2 is all fight-talk-fight-talk. There's no Sacred Ashes Gauntlet, no Fade. There are no puzzle levels in DA 2 to break the monotony, and the game suffers for it.

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Serpieri Nei wrote...

Judge585 wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

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I agree with the OP. I beat Awakening recently after playing DAII, and Awakening brought back all the memories of the poor gameplay mechanics of DA:O to reality. I will likely delete my DA:O install on my PC harddrive seeing that I've already transferred my saves to DAII for the last time. Let's just say that I'm now happily back on my third playthrough of DAII as a rogue.



Only thing about the combat is that its faster, which should be slowed down a bit. Had a friend who thought it was more tactical from the demo he tried so I took my save on the Orsino fight and he Initiated the battle then we grabbed our portables and played some CoD.

Guess who won the fight ?

Here's a hint, he decided not to buy DA:2


When I mentioned "gameplay mechanics," it went beyond just the combat system, which I do think DAII is generally superior. But, that's not the only thing as it also included quest markers on fast travel map, "r" for take all while looting, etc.

So, you're taking an anonymous friend who played only the demo and a single fight (you should really add a spoiler tag) with your save to argue against my opinion of the game? Seriously? For the record, I've beat DA:O twice as mage and rogue, then to DAII as mage, warrior, then to Awakening as mage.


It's clearly not superior since it doesn't require user input . Don't remmeber anybody ever saying they got lost in DA:Origns, they had quest markers in each instance that was not recycled to death. Who needed a fast travel map, when I can get a random encounter for some more fun. Looting is not really innecessary in DA2, since your limited on what can be used for yourself and party, and the other stuff is junk.

Here's the real Kicker, the amount of gameplay on one Origins playthrough equates to about 2-3 playthroughs of DA2 just to come close but who can stand being locked into Kirkwall for that long.


Fine, under your reasoning, why even play the game at all since gaming is not "necessary"? Why not just go out and enjoy the sun? Forget both games and move on with your life.

I didn't get lost in the instances, not sure why you brought that up because I didn't mention it, so don't speak for me. Moreover, I grew up on games like the Bard's Tale series on the PC XT from the 80s (not the Xbox version) where you had to draw a map yourself. What is random encounter fun to you is not the same for everybody, so don't assert it as a fact. Same with looting. Hey, at least you manned up and actually shared your own opinion this time around instead of relying on your unnamed source as proof.

The kicker as you called is not the amount of playthroughs or the hours, but how I enjoyed it. I certainly don't play games to oggle at time played. I play it for the enjoyment and the gameplay. If that's how you judge a game, then that's your prerogative.

btw, I'd hate to be your "anonymous friend." If my "friend" came to my place and ripped a game that he knew I had hopes for and urged me to play a spoilerish section of the game, I'd kick him out. Not because of the aforementioned reason, but because it shows his or her complete and utter disrespect for another's opinion.



My reasoning is pretty simple, games should be played and they shouldn't play themselves but that’s
what you get when a game is too easy. Who cares the combat is faster, if it requires less input from the user. 

Never said you got lost, simply pointing out that felt quest markers on the quest map was so great when such indicators where in DA:O as well for the instances and not on the map. No one every pointed out how
they got lost or didn't know where to go. But I think I understand what your trying to convey, some people that can't be bothered to actually read so thosemarkers are handy for them. 

Don't like random encounters, so does that mean its fact since your asserting your opinion on the matter. You should really stop making assumptions, you’re putting way too much emphasis on you believe is
to be right. Sorry, I don't like fast travel and I never did care for Whack a Mole either. I must say that I do find you entertaining though, my so called anonymous source can't post on the registered forums but I'm sure he'll find
this interesting. And don't worry about me manning up, my posts are everywhere and many of which have received great input from the community, and quite a few who asked my permission to quote/post them elsewhere. It seems DA:2 may not be as enjoyable or replayable as you think but don't let that stop you I can't wait for your next colorful remark. Actually, I can. Sorry, about bursting your bubble. I wonder if this is the part where you bring ego into this?

Your an interesting person, but your deflection skills are grade school at best. Should I make an assumption, and show you why those that make them only make themselves out to be the first three letters of the word. I'll make it clear for you, DA:0 provided two to three times more content that was not only enjoyable but a challenge. 

I'll be fair, I'd hate to be you since you’re so full of contradictions saying one thing then doing the opposite. And let's not forget your unfounded assumptions. My friend already knows the entire story of DA:2, there’s a thing out their called the Internet. Maybe you should look it up.


Oh yes, the ad hominem attacks when you're backed up to a corner; classic. Anybody can do that. See, here it comes: Please go back to school and get a real education (and, yes, that is an opinion for you to infer that you're uneducated). What I conveyed was that not everyone likes random encounters, and, yes, that is a fact no matter how you like it. I don't like random encounters, so that makes it "not everybody." Again, same applies with my looting comment, just reversed. If you can't figure out the difference between fact and opinion, then I suggest you to take a serious look at my third sentence (yes, go read it again). I like how you took a stab at me for implying not wanting to read when you clearly do not. You probably should really appreciate the quest markers, because they are made for people like you. Don't you like the irony?

As to length, as long as a game is over a certain length and covers the story to my satisfaction, it's fine. I'd rather have 20 hours of good gameplay than 60 hours of boredom and endless random encounters. See what I did there?

Right, your friend reads up on a story to an RPG, which is focused on plot development, before he actually plays it. Completely believable; almost as good as the alleged fact that you have anonymous friend based on your disrespectful behavior. Just make up facts along the way, right? Since we're at it, I'm actually a full-time game critic for a living who gets paid millions a year. Jamie Dimon (yes, go Google because that probably flew over your head) is my pal, and I give him input on his day to day operations. I can do it too, and some of those are actually true too.

In the end, this stupid argument started by my saying something akin to, "I like chocolate cake." You came back and said, "I gave my friend a piece of chocolate cake and he didn't like it. Your choice sucks." The implication through using my quote is that you didn't like my opinion and used a hearsay opinion to back it up. Weak. Don't tell people how to think with shoddy evidence - that's clearly what you wanted to do in "bursting bubbles" - and expect people to like it.

Lastly, I know it's the internet and expectations are low when it comes to grammar and spelling. However, your formatting and grammar are real bad. It hurts my eyes. I'm embarrassed for you, really; and the ass-u-me joke - awful. Sorry, while I might be interesting to you, you're a bore to me. Please use correct spacing and know the difference between "your" and "you're." It's something that spellchecker won't pick up for you, but it's basic grade school grammar, man.

You may go back to your CoD now.

Modifié par Judge585, 09 avril 2011 - 08:18 .


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Xewaka wrote...

I played Origins twice. I do not intend to replay DA 2. The reason? DA 2 is all fight-talk-fight-talk. There's no Sacred Ashes Gauntlet, no Fade. There are no puzzle levels in DA 2 to break the monotony, and the game suffers for it.


yupp. pretty much this.

i was waiting for a good 25-40 minute epic dungeon crawl, did not get. ;:(

Modifié par Madkipz, 09 avril 2011 - 07:47 .


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Dragon age 2 would have won the replayability award if not for those damn repeating dungeons. I mean, I am a hardcore Bioware fan boy who rants and defends Bioware games to the end of days...

But damn that was a stupid thing to do.

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Judge585 wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Judge585 wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Judge585 wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Judge585 wrote...

I agree with the OP. I beat Awakening recently after playing DAII, and Awakening brought back all the memories of the poor gameplay mechanics of DA:O to reality. I will likely delete my DA:O install on my PC harddrive seeing that I've already transferred my saves to DAII for the last time. Let's just say that I'm now happily back on my third playthrough of DAII as a rogue.



Only thing about the combat is that its faster, which should be slowed down a bit. Had a friend who thought it was more tactical from the demo he tried so I took my save on the Orsino fight and he Initiated the battle then we grabbed our portables and played some CoD.

Guess who won the fight ?

Here's a hint, he decided not to buy DA:2


When I mentioned "gameplay mechanics," it went beyond just the combat system, which I do think DAII is generally superior. But, that's not the only thing as it also included quest markers on fast travel map, "r" for take all while looting, etc.

So, you're taking an anonymous friend who played only the demo and a single fight (you should really add a spoiler tag) with your save to argue against my opinion of the game? Seriously? For the record, I've beat DA:O twice as mage and rogue, then to DAII as mage, warrior, then to Awakening as mage.


It's clearly not superior since it doesn't require user input . Don't remmeber anybody ever saying they got lost in DA:Origns, they had quest markers in each instance that was not recycled to death. Who needed a fast travel map, when I can get a random encounter for some more fun. Looting is not really innecessary in DA2, since your limited on what can be used for yourself and party, and the other stuff is junk.

Here's the real Kicker, the amount of gameplay on one Origins playthrough equates to about 2-3 playthroughs of DA2 just to come close but who can stand being locked into Kirkwall for that long.


Fine, under your reasoning, why even play the game at all since gaming is not "necessary"? Why not just go out and enjoy the sun? Forget both games and move on with your life.

I didn't get lost in the instances, not sure why you brought that up because I didn't mention it, so don't speak for me. Moreover, I grew up on games like the Bard's Tale series on the PC XT from the 80s (not the Xbox version) where you had to draw a map yourself. What is random encounter fun to you is not the same for everybody, so don't assert it as a fact. Same with looting. Hey, at least you manned up and actually shared your own opinion this time around instead of relying on your unnamed source as proof.

The kicker as you called is not the amount of playthroughs or the hours, but how I enjoyed it. I certainly don't play games to oggle at time played. I play it for the enjoyment and the gameplay. If that's how you judge a game, then that's your prerogative.

btw, I'd hate to be your "anonymous friend." If my "friend" came to my place and ripped a game that he knew I had hopes for and urged me to play a spoilerish section of the game, I'd kick him out. Not because of the aforementioned reason, but because it shows his or her complete and utter disrespect for another's opinion.



My reasoning is pretty simple, games should be played and they shouldn't play themselves but that’s
what you get when a game is too easy. Who cares the combat is faster, if it requires less input from the user. 

Never said you got lost, simply pointing out that felt quest markers on the quest map was so great when such indicators where in DA:O as well for the instances and not on the map. No one every pointed out how
they got lost or didn't know where to go. But I think I understand what your trying to convey, some people that can't be bothered to actually read so thosemarkers are handy for them. 

Don't like random encounters, so does that mean its fact since your asserting your opinion on the matter. You should really stop making assumptions, you’re putting way too much emphasis on you believe is
to be right. Sorry, I don't like fast travel and I never did care for Whack a Mole either. I must say that I do find you entertaining though, my so called anonymous source can't post on the registered forums but I'm sure he'll find
this interesting. And don't worry about me manning up, my posts are everywhere and many of which have received great input from the community, and quite a few who asked my permission to quote/post them elsewhere. It seems DA:2 may not be as enjoyable or replayable as you think but don't let that stop you I can't wait for your next colorful remark. Actually, I can. Sorry, about bursting your bubble. I wonder if this is the part where you bring ego into this?

Your an interesting person, but your deflection skills are grade school at best. Should I make an assumption, and show you why those that make them only make themselves out to be the first three letters of the word. I'll make it clear for you, DA:0 provided two to three times more content that was not only enjoyable but a challenge. 

I'll be fair, I'd hate to be you since you’re so full of contradictions saying one thing then doing the opposite. And let's not forget your unfounded assumptions. My friend already knows the entire story of DA:2, there’s a thing out their called the Internet. Maybe you should look it up.


Oh yes, the ad hominem attacks when you're backed up to a corner; classic. Anybody can do that. See, here it comes: Please go back to school and get a real education (and, yes, that is an opinion for you to infer that you're uneducated). What I conveyed was that not everyone likes random encounters, and, yes, that is a fact no matter how you like it. I don't like random encounters, so that makes it "not everybody." Again, same applies with my looting comment, just reversed. If you can't figure out the difference between fact and opinion, then I suggest you to take a serious look at my third sentence (yes, go read it again). I like how you took a stab at me for implying not wanting to read when you clearly do not. You probably should really appreciate the quest markers, because they are made for people like you. Don't you like the irony?

As to length, as long as a game is over a certain length and covers the story to my satisfaction, it's fine. I'd rather have 20 hours of good gameplay than 60 hours of boredom and endless random encounters. See what I did there?

Right, your friend reads up on a story to an RPG, which is focused on plot development, before he actually plays it. Completely believable; almost as good as the alleged fact that you have anonymous friend based on your disrespectful behavior. Just make up facts along the way, right? Since we're at it, I'm actually a full-time game critic for a living who gets paid millions a year. Jamie Dimon (yes, go Google because that probably flew over your head) is my pal, and I give him input on his day to day operations. I can do it too, and some of those are actually true too.

In the end, this stupid argument started by my saying something akin to, "I like chocolate cake." You came back and said, "I gave my friend a piece of chocolate cake and he didn't like it. Your choice sucks." The implication through using my quote is that you didn't like my opinion and used a hearsay opinion to back it up. Weak. Don't tell people how to think with shoddy evidence - that's clearly what you wanted to do in "bursting bubbles" - and expect people to like it.

Lastly, I know it's the internet and expectations are low when it comes to grammar and spelling. However, your formatting and grammar are real bad. It hurts my eyes. I'm embarrassed for you, really; and the ass-u-me joke - awful. Sorry, while I might be interesting to you, you're a bore to me. Please use correct spacing and know the difference between "your" and "you're." It's something that spellchecker won't pick up for you, but it's basic grade school grammar, man.

You may go back to your CoD now.


You threw the gauntlet and shouldn't be surprised that it hit you squarely in the face. You could at least try not to be so predictable with your grade school tactics but I think your to busy trying to champion your crusade. Seeing insults where there is discussion but then again, most people believe the other person is like them trying to achieve the same goal with similar tactics. The only problem with this premise is that you only end up defeating yourself.  Sorry, I am not your mirror nor do I want to be.

Your satisfaction was never up for debate, nor your enjoyment of DA:2 but it does seem that when others point out the flaws/issues they have. You feel threatened and lash out in the defense of a game. I would suggest taking your own advice and go see the sun and when you’re done staring at it let me know how that went.

You really find it hard to believe that someone is able to learn the story of DA:2 by searching the internet? How many reviews, youtube videos, blogs, and forums do you think that are out their dedicated to just video games? Feel free to google Orsino. Oh and let me know how I made all that up. Cause I would love to take credit for youtube.

Oh Wow, you’re a game critic. That must be fun, don’t take this a wrong way but I’ll stick with my usually reviewers. I find you conflicted and full of assumptions, it’s no wonder that you lash out when faced with criticism. Just remember, they can’t hurt you. Be Strong.

In the end, you decided to challenge the premise of gameplay mechanics but when faced with an opposing opinion you failed to validate yours. Instead, you spent your time thrashing about. And for the record I like Vanilla, and he’s more of a pie person.  I do find it interesting that your only defense is to attack those that don’t agree with you, and spend most of time convincing yourself that someone disregards your opinion. I think the real problem is that you don’t follow your own advice, that your unwilling to look at things objectively or even try to have a discussion.

Don’t like my formatting and grammar, well sadly English isn’t my first, let alone my second language and this board does have a weird way of breaking it up. Or like the wealth of information on the internet, people that speak other languages must not exist. For the record, you are aware that each of your attacks is not only childish but in this day and age I’m sure you can try getting some new material. Next time, please try harder and come up withsomething that actually required some thought. And I’m afraid you mistook my interest in you, it is not one of awe but one of ridicule.

I’ll probably go back to CoD as soon as I’m done with Warhammer. Try not to let your anger get the better of you, I’m sure you’re a better person then you try to make yourself out to be.  

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 09 avril 2011 - 08:39 .


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Can't say that DA2 has any real re playability. Once you played all the classes that's it. But really I can't stand to play this game again since it is so dumbed down. I could say that this is the fault of consoles but I'm beginning to suspect that it is in fact the developers who are just either to lazy to program it right or have just lost there creativity to make appealing games that of challenge and adventure.

Sad really after 20 years of seeing game evolve from 2D sprites to 3D models. The gameplay and story which really make the game seem to suffer and in its place are shiny shiny graphics which well really don't do all that much.

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Serpieri Nei wrote...

Judge585 wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Judge585 wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Judge585 wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Judge585 wrote...

I agree with the OP. I beat Awakening recently after playing DAII, and Awakening brought back all the memories of the poor gameplay mechanics of DA:O to reality. I will likely delete my DA:O install on my PC harddrive seeing that I've already transferred my saves to DAII for the last time. Let's just say that I'm now happily back on my third playthrough of DAII as a rogue.



Only thing about the combat is that its faster, which should be slowed down a bit. Had a friend who thought it was more tactical from the demo he tried so I took my save on the Orsino fight and he Initiated the battle then we grabbed our portables and played some CoD.

Guess who won the fight ?

Here's a hint, he decided not to buy DA:2


When I mentioned "gameplay mechanics," it went beyond just the combat system, which I do think DAII is generally superior. But, that's not the only thing as it also included quest markers on fast travel map, "r" for take all while looting, etc.

So, you're taking an anonymous friend who played only the demo and a single fight (you should really add a spoiler tag) with your save to argue against my opinion of the game? Seriously? For the record, I've beat DA:O twice as mage and rogue, then to DAII as mage, warrior, then to Awakening as mage.


It's clearly not superior since it doesn't require user input . Don't remmeber anybody ever saying they got lost in DA:Origns, they had quest markers in each instance that was not recycled to death. Who needed a fast travel map, when I can get a random encounter for some more fun. Looting is not really innecessary in DA2, since your limited on what can be used for yourself and party, and the other stuff is junk.

Here's the real Kicker, the amount of gameplay on one Origins playthrough equates to about 2-3 playthroughs of DA2 just to come close but who can stand being locked into Kirkwall for that long.


Fine, under your reasoning, why even play the game at all since gaming is not "necessary"? Why not just go out and enjoy the sun? Forget both games and move on with your life.

I didn't get lost in the instances, not sure why you brought that up because I didn't mention it, so don't speak for me. Moreover, I grew up on games like the Bard's Tale series on the PC XT from the 80s (not the Xbox version) where you had to draw a map yourself. What is random encounter fun to you is not the same for everybody, so don't assert it as a fact. Same with looting. Hey, at least you manned up and actually shared your own opinion this time around instead of relying on your unnamed source as proof.

The kicker as you called is not the amount of playthroughs or the hours, but how I enjoyed it. I certainly don't play games to oggle at time played. I play it for the enjoyment and the gameplay. If that's how you judge a game, then that's your prerogative.

btw, I'd hate to be your "anonymous friend." If my "friend" came to my place and ripped a game that he knew I had hopes for and urged me to play a spoilerish section of the game, I'd kick him out. Not because of the aforementioned reason, but because it shows his or her complete and utter disrespect for another's opinion.



My reasoning is pretty simple, games should be played and they shouldn't play themselves but that’s
what you get when a game is too easy. Who cares the combat is faster, if it requires less input from the user. 

Never said you got lost, simply pointing out that felt quest markers on the quest map was so great when such indicators where in DA:O as well for the instances and not on the map. No one every pointed out how
they got lost or didn't know where to go. But I think I understand what your trying to convey, some people that can't be bothered to actually read so thosemarkers are handy for them. 

Don't like random encounters, so does that mean its fact since your asserting your opinion on the matter. You should really stop making assumptions, you’re putting way too much emphasis on you believe is
to be right. Sorry, I don't like fast travel and I never did care for Whack a Mole either. I must say that I do find you entertaining though, my so called anonymous source can't post on the registered forums but I'm sure he'll find
this interesting. And don't worry about me manning up, my posts are everywhere and many of which have received great input from the community, and quite a few who asked my permission to quote/post them elsewhere. It seems DA:2 may not be as enjoyable or replayable as you think but don't let that stop you I can't wait for your next colorful remark. Actually, I can. Sorry, about bursting your bubble. I wonder if this is the part where you bring ego into this?

Your an interesting person, but your deflection skills are grade school at best. Should I make an assumption, and show you why those that make them only make themselves out to be the first three letters of the word. I'll make it clear for you, DA:0 provided two to three times more content that was not only enjoyable but a challenge. 

I'll be fair, I'd hate to be you since you’re so full of contradictions saying one thing then doing the opposite. And let's not forget your unfounded assumptions. My friend already knows the entire story of DA:2, there’s a thing out their called the Internet. Maybe you should look it up.


Oh yes, the ad hominem attacks when you're backed up to a corner; classic. Anybody can do that. See, here it comes: Please go back to school and get a real education (and, yes, that is an opinion for you to infer that you're uneducated). What I conveyed was that not everyone likes random encounters, and, yes, that is a fact no matter how you like it. I don't like random encounters, so that makes it "not everybody." Again, same applies with my looting comment, just reversed. If you can't figure out the difference between fact and opinion, then I suggest you to take a serious look at my third sentence (yes, go read it again). I like how you took a stab at me for implying not wanting to read when you clearly do not. You probably should really appreciate the quest markers, because they are made for people like you. Don't you like the irony?

As to length, as long as a game is over a certain length and covers the story to my satisfaction, it's fine. I'd rather have 20 hours of good gameplay than 60 hours of boredom and endless random encounters. See what I did there?

Right, your friend reads up on a story to an RPG, which is focused on plot development, before he actually plays it. Completely believable; almost as good as the alleged fact that you have anonymous friend based on your disrespectful behavior. Just make up facts along the way, right? Since we're at it, I'm actually a full-time game critic for a living who gets paid millions a year. Jamie Dimon (yes, go Google because that probably flew over your head) is my pal, and I give him input on his day to day operations. I can do it too, and some of those are actually true too.

In the end, this stupid argument started by my saying something akin to, "I like chocolate cake." You came back and said, "I gave my friend a piece of chocolate cake and he didn't like it. Your choice sucks." The implication through using my quote is that you didn't like my opinion and used a hearsay opinion to back it up. Weak. Don't tell people how to think with shoddy evidence - that's clearly what you wanted to do in "bursting bubbles" - and expect people to like it.

Lastly, I know it's the internet and expectations are low when it comes to grammar and spelling. However, your formatting and grammar are real bad. It hurts my eyes. I'm embarrassed for you, really; and the ass-u-me joke - awful. Sorry, while I might be interesting to you, you're a bore to me. Please use correct spacing and know the difference between "your" and "you're." It's something that spellchecker won't pick up for you, but it's basic grade school grammar, man.

You may go back to your CoD now.


You threw the gauntlet
and shouldn't be surprised that it hit you squarely in the face. You
could at least try not to be so predictable with your grade school tactics but
I think your to busy trying to champion your crusade. Seeing insults where there
is discussion but then again, most people believe the other person is like them
trying to achieve the same goal with similar tactics. The only problem with
this premise is that you only end up defeating yourself.  Sorry, I am not your mirror nor do I want to
be.

Your
satisfaction was never up for debate, nor your enjoyment of DA:2 but it does seem
that when others point out the flaws/issues they have. You feel threatened and
lash out in the defense of a game. I would suggest taking your own advice and
go see the sun and when you’re done staring at it let me know how that went.

You really find
it hard to believe that someone is able to learn the story of DA:2 by searching
the internet? How many reviews, youtube videos, blogs, and forums do you think that
are out their dedicated to just video games? Feel free to google Orsino. Oh and
let me know how I made all that up. Cause I would love to take credit for you
tube.

Oh Wow, you’re a
game critic. That must be fun, don’t take this a wrong way but I’ll stick with my
usually reviewers. I find you conflicted and full of assumptions, it’s no
wonder that you lash out when faced with criticism. Just remember, they can’t
hurt you. Be Strong.

In the end, you
decided to challenge the premise of gameplay mechanics but when faced with an
opposing opinion you failed to validate yours. Instead, you spent your time
thrashing about. And for the record I like Vanilla, and he’s more of a pie
person.  I do find it interesting that
your only defense is to attack those that don’t agree with you, and spend most
of time convincing yourself that someone disregards your opinion. I think the
real problem is that you don’t follow your own advice, that your unwilling to
look at things objectively or even try to have a discussion.

Don’t like my
formatting and grammar, well sadly English isn’t my first, let alone my second
language. Or like the wealth of information on the internet, people that speak
other languages must not exist. For the record, you are aware that each of your
attacks is not only childish but in this day and age I’m sure you can try
getting some new material. Next time, please try harder and come up with
something that actually required some thought. And I’m afraid you mistook my
interest in you, it is not one of awe but one of ridicule.

I’ll probably go
back to CoD as soon as I’m done with Warhammer. Try not to let your anger get
the better of you, I’m sure you’re a better person then you try to make
yourself out to be.  


Are you maliciously using this formatting to confound me? It sucks, but it's not working. LOL I quoted you before you modified your post, so you can see how bad it originally was and what I have to deal with. :P

Considering you fail at a lot of things and chiefly among them, reading comprehension (I didn't say your mystery friend "couldn't," but questioned why he "would" - flew right over your head again, didn't it?), grasp of logic (for not knowing the difference between fact and opinion and how they apply), ability to detect sarcasm (admittedly, a tad harder in writing but not to the degree you're misinterpreting it), and bad attempts at humor - the mirror line in addition to the ass-u-me line, really? I sincerely hope for your sake and believe that English is not your native language.

For your information, I claimed that only some of those I asserted were true as a demonstration of playing the hearsay game, not all. For all you know, I might be your favorite reviewer because you have no idea who I am. For you to assert otherwise would be an obvious prevarication, but that was the point you seemed to have missed. But, I won't be cruel and continue to accuse you of lying. Hence, I'll let you in on a little secret, I'm not a game critic. So, pick one of the other facts that I might be forthright on.

Since you continue to play being the obtuse one, I never claimed that I didn't want someone to challenge my opinion. I find it disingenuous to use an anonymous source in proving the truth of the matter asserted. In other words, if you originally disputed my opinion with your own opinion, that would've been valid; but, using another's opinion to subtly attack is plain weak. It's fundamentally unfair because I wouldn't be able to challenge the hearsay opinion - in this case, your "friend's." Granted, you later used some of your own opinion, but it was too late and I already figured out your insincere intentions and decied to be trolled for fun (I should really ignore you, the troll, but what the heck, it's the weekend). And, for the record, I stated an opinion and you challenged me first, so don't play the victim card and the lame you're-better-than-this card when the going gets tough.

Not really my fault that English is not your first language. I'm fluent in both French and Mandarin as well, but I don't use that fact as a crutch. Again, man up.

Don't be butt-hurt because I don't find you as "interesting" and "entertaining" (your words, not mine, and now you change your story, oh, you and what you think pass for wit) as you find me. I'm sure at least some of your imaginary friends will still love you and want you to post all kinds of messages on their behalf and want you to play CoD with them.

I do commend you for paying close attention to "your" and "you're" this time around, following my advice. Hey, you do read my posts and take heed! But, to my disappointment, you screwed up the "than/then" difference at the very end...

btw, how do you figure I post these threads without the internet? This is after I mentioned I played with a PC XT back in the days when IBM DOS ruled. I've been here ever since internet started. You fail at logic, sir.

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Judge585 wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Judge585 wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Judge585 wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Judge585 wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Judge585 wrote...

I agree with the OP. I beat Awakening recently after playing DAII, and Awakening brought back all the memories of the poor gameplay mechanics of DA:O to reality. I will likely delete my DA:O install on my PC harddrive seeing that I've already transferred my saves to DAII for the last time. Let's just say that I'm now happily back on my third playthrough of DAII as a rogue.



Only thing about the combat is that its faster, which should be slowed down a bit. Had a friend who thought it was more tactical from the demo he tried so I took my save on the Orsino fight and he Initiated the battle then we grabbed our portables and played some CoD.

Guess who won the fight ?

Here's a hint, he decided not to buy DA:2


When I mentioned "gameplay mechanics," it went beyond just the combat system, which I do think DAII is generally superior. But, that's not the only thing as it also included quest markers on fast travel map, "r" for take all while looting, etc.

So, you're taking an anonymous friend who played only the demo and a single fight (you should really add a spoiler tag) with your save to argue against my opinion of the game? Seriously? For the record, I've beat DA:O twice as mage and rogue, then to DAII as mage, warrior, then to Awakening as mage.


It's clearly not superior since it doesn't require user input . Don't remmeber anybody ever saying they got lost in DA:Origns, they had quest markers in each instance that was not recycled to death. Who needed a fast travel map, when I can get a random encounter for some more fun. Looting is not really innecessary in DA2, since your limited on what can be used for yourself and party, and the other stuff is junk.

Here's the real Kicker, the amount of gameplay on one Origins playthrough equates to about 2-3 playthroughs of DA2 just to come close but who can stand being locked into Kirkwall for that long.


Fine, under your reasoning, why even play the game at all since gaming is not "necessary"? Why not just go out and enjoy the sun? Forget both games and move on with your life.

I didn't get lost in the instances, not sure why you brought that up because I didn't mention it, so don't speak for me. Moreover, I grew up on games like the Bard's Tale series on the PC XT from the 80s (not the Xbox version) where you had to draw a map yourself. What is random encounter fun to you is not the same for everybody, so don't assert it as a fact. Same with looting. Hey, at least you manned up and actually shared your own opinion this time around instead of relying on your unnamed source as proof.

The kicker as you called is not the amount of playthroughs or the hours, but how I enjoyed it. I certainly don't play games to oggle at time played. I play it for the enjoyment and the gameplay. If that's how you judge a game, then that's your prerogative.

btw, I'd hate to be your "anonymous friend." If my "friend" came to my place and ripped a game that he knew I had hopes for and urged me to play a spoilerish section of the game, I'd kick him out. Not because of the aforementioned reason, but because it shows his or her complete and utter disrespect for another's opinion.



My reasoning is pretty simple, games should be played and they shouldn't play themselves but that’s
what you get when a game is too easy. Who cares the combat is faster, if it requires less input from the user. 

Never said you got lost, simply pointing out that felt quest markers on the quest map was so great when such indicators where in DA:O as well for the instances and not on the map. No one every pointed out how
they got lost or didn't know where to go. But I think I understand what your trying to convey, some people that can't be bothered to actually read so thosemarkers are handy for them. 

Don't like random encounters, so does that mean its fact since your asserting your opinion on the matter. You should really stop making assumptions, you’re putting way too much emphasis on you believe is
to be right. Sorry, I don't like fast travel and I never did care for Whack a Mole either. I must say that I do find you entertaining though, my so called anonymous source can't post on the registered forums but I'm sure he'll find
this interesting. And don't worry about me manning up, my posts are everywhere and many of which have received great input from the community, and quite a few who asked my permission to quote/post them elsewhere. It seems DA:2 may not be as enjoyable or replayable as you think but don't let that stop you I can't wait for your next colorful remark. Actually, I can. Sorry, about bursting your bubble. I wonder if this is the part where you bring ego into this?

Your an interesting person, but your deflection skills are grade school at best. Should I make an assumption, and show you why those that make them only make themselves out to be the first three letters of the word. I'll make it clear for you, DA:0 provided two to three times more content that was not only enjoyable but a challenge. 

I'll be fair, I'd hate to be you since you’re so full of contradictions saying one thing then doing the opposite. And let's not forget your unfounded assumptions. My friend already knows the entire story of DA:2, there’s a thing out their called the Internet. Maybe you should look it up.


Oh yes, the ad hominem attacks when you're backed up to a corner; classic. Anybody can do that. See, here it comes: Please go back to school and get a real education (and, yes, that is an opinion for you to infer that you're uneducated). What I conveyed was that not everyone likes random encounters, and, yes, that is a fact no matter how you like it. I don't like random encounters, so that makes it "not everybody." Again, same applies with my looting comment, just reversed. If you can't figure out the difference between fact and opinion, then I suggest you to take a serious look at my third sentence (yes, go read it again). I like how you took a stab at me for implying not wanting to read when you clearly do not. You probably should really appreciate the quest markers, because they are made for people like you. Don't you like the irony?

As to length, as long as a game is over a certain length and covers the story to my satisfaction, it's fine. I'd rather have 20 hours of good gameplay than 60 hours of boredom and endless random encounters. See what I did there?

Right, your friend reads up on a story to an RPG, which is focused on plot development, before he actually plays it. Completely believable; almost as good as the alleged fact that you have anonymous friend based on your disrespectful behavior. Just make up facts along the way, right? Since we're at it, I'm actually a full-time game critic for a living who gets paid millions a year. Jamie Dimon (yes, go Google because that probably flew over your head) is my pal, and I give him input on his day to day operations. I can do it too, and some of those are actually true too.

In the end, this stupid argument started by my saying something akin to, "I like chocolate cake." You came back and said, "I gave my friend a piece of chocolate cake and he didn't like it. Your choice sucks." The implication through using my quote is that you didn't like my opinion and used a hearsay opinion to back it up. Weak. Don't tell people how to think with shoddy evidence - that's clearly what you wanted to do in "bursting bubbles" - and expect people to like it.

Lastly, I know it's the internet and expectations are low when it comes to grammar and spelling. However, your formatting and grammar are real bad. It hurts my eyes. I'm embarrassed for you, really; and the ass-u-me joke - awful. Sorry, while I might be interesting to you, you're a bore to me. Please use correct spacing and know the difference between "your" and "you're." It's something that spellchecker won't pick up for you, but it's basic grade school grammar, man.

You may go back to your CoD now.


You threw the gauntlet
and shouldn't be surprised that it hit you squarely in the face. You
could at least try not to be so predictable with your grade school tactics but
I think your to busy trying to champion your crusade. Seeing insults where there
is discussion but then again, most people believe the other person is like them
trying to achieve the same goal with similar tactics. The only problem with
this premise is that you only end up defeating yourself.  Sorry, I am not your mirror nor do I want to
be.

Your
satisfaction was never up for debate, nor your enjoyment of DA:2 but it does seem
that when others point out the flaws/issues they have. You feel threatened and
lash out in the defense of a game. I would suggest taking your own advice and
go see the sun and when you’re done staring at it let me know how that went.

You really find
it hard to believe that someone is able to learn the story of DA:2 by searching
the internet? How many reviews, youtube videos, blogs, and forums do you think that
are out their dedicated to just video games? Feel free to google Orsino. Oh and
let me know how I made all that up. Cause I would love to take credit for you
tube.

Oh Wow, you’re a
game critic. That must be fun, don’t take this a wrong way but I’ll stick with my
usually reviewers. I find you conflicted and full of assumptions, it’s no
wonder that you lash out when faced with criticism. Just remember, they can’t
hurt you. Be Strong.

In the end, you
decided to challenge the premise of gameplay mechanics but when faced with an
opposing opinion you failed to validate yours. Instead, you spent your time
thrashing about. And for the record I like Vanilla, and he’s more of a pie
person.  I do find it interesting that
your only defense is to attack those that don’t agree with you, and spend most
of time convincing yourself that someone disregards your opinion. I think the
real problem is that you don’t follow your own advice, that your unwilling to
look at things objectively or even try to have a discussion.

Don’t like my
formatting and grammar, well sadly English isn’t my first, let alone my second
language. Or like the wealth of information on the internet, people that speak
other languages must not exist. For the record, you are aware that each of your
attacks is not only childish but in this day and age I’m sure you can try
getting some new material. Next time, please try harder and come up with
something that actually required some thought. And I’m afraid you mistook my
interest in you, it is not one of awe but one of ridicule.

I’ll probably go
back to CoD as soon as I’m done with Warhammer. Try not to let your anger get
the better of you, I’m sure you’re a better person then you try to make
yourself out to be.  


Are you maliciously using this formatting to confound me? It sucks, but it's not working. LOL I quoted you before you modified your post, so you can see how bad it originally was and what I have to deal with. :P

Considering you fail at a lot of things and chiefly among them, reading comprehension (I didn't say your mystery friend "couldn't," but questioned why he "would" - flew right over your head again, didn't it?), grasp of logic (for not knowing the difference between fact and opinion and how they apply), ability to detect sarcasm (admittedly, a tad harder in writing but not to the degree you're misinterpreting it), and bad attempts at humor - the mirror line in addition to the ass-u-me line, really? I sincerely hope for your sake and believe that English is not your native language.

For your information, I claimed that only some of those I asserted were true as a demonstration of playing the hearsay game, not all. For all you know, I might be your favorite reviewer because you have no idea who I am. For you to assert otherwise would be an obvious prevarication, but that was the point you seemed to have missed. But, I won't be cruel and continue to accuse you of lying. Hence, I'll let you in on a little secret, I'm not a game critic. So, pick one of the other facts that I might be forthright on.

Since you continue to play being the obtuse one, I never claimed that I didn't want someone to challenge my opinion. I find it disingenuous to use an anonymous source in proving the truth of the matter asserted. In other words, if you originally disputed my opinion with your own opinion, that would've been valid; but, using another's opinion to subtly attack is plain weak. It's fundamentally unfair because I wouldn't be able to challenge the hearsay opinion - in this case, your "friend's." Granted, you later used some of your own opinion, but it was too late and I already figured out your insincere intentions and decied to be trolled for fun (I should really ignore you, the troll, but what the heck, it's the weekend). And, for the record, I stated an opinion and you challenged me first, so don't play the victim card and the lame you're-better-than-this card when the going gets tough.

Not really my fault that English is not your first language. I'm fluent in both French and Mandarin as well, but I don't use that fact as a crutch. Again, man up.

Don't be butt-hurt because I don't find you as "interesting" and "entertaining" (your words, not mine, and now you change your story, oh, you and what you think pass for wit) as you find me. I'm sure at least some of your imaginary friends will still love you and want you to post all kinds of messages on their behalf and want you to play CoD with them.

I do commend you for paying close attention to "your" and "you're" this time around, following my advice. Hey, you do read my posts and take heed! But, to my disappointment, you screwed up the "than/then" difference at the very end...

btw, how do you figure I post these threads without the internet? This is after I mentioned I played with a PC XT back in the days when IBM DOS ruled. I've been here ever since internet started. You fail at logic, sir.


Figured, you’d get it kick out of how the board formats since you brought it up. Heck, I even gave you plenty of time to play with it.

Anyways, the only person failing here is yourself but since I refuse to be your mirror that’s understandable. You seemto be fixated on the why when it’s not even part of the equation. Another defence mechanism perhaps, or confusion I wonder. It’s most likely the latter; since you went off on a tangent.

You still can’t see the point even when it’s staring you in the face. It must be denial added to your already long list ofdelusions.  Being attacked is another, I wonder if you physically flinch when you read words that do not coincide with yours. Logic also doesn’t appear to be a strong point of yours, it doesn’t take two people to play DA:2 nor does it require the full attention of a single person since it’s easy to let the game play itself with very little user input.

I really can’t fathom your persecution complex. You are fixated on an imaginary crusade, seeing victims when there is none, and reeling from imaginary blows. You have decided now to create a fantasy to with the crusade and have even created a nemesis for you to slay. It’s time to grow up. If you’re not capable of having a discussion without going on a flight of fancy then I suggest you take a step back and put away the armor. Not everyone reacts by picking up the white glove ready to strike the man across from him. It’s something you need to work on.

I’m also starting to wonder if you also have a daddy complex rr your simply not aware of your trollish behaviour. Some advice, don’t be so obvious don’t attack grammar/formatting to deflect a topic that you are unprepared to face, let alone discuss. And leave your slights where they belong, or should I believe that you are also not capable of being civil.

Was wondering when you were going to fixate on someone’s butt, seriously is there a line you’re not willing to cross in your fantasy world that you have created. Strange that you believe interested and entertaining can only be viewed as positive and beneficial but then again delusions of one-self can be difficult to surpass. The challenge
facing you is a simple one, do I stay within my imaginary walls slinging stones or do I go outside. The Choice is yours.

It seems you can’t even break free from making assumptions, and still use grammar to hide behind. All it takes is one for you to use as a shield. It’s like putting a steak out for a dog that has been starved repeatedly. Most likely another fixation with your daddy, did he beat your dog as well?

Since you no longer wish to discuss DA2, I'd be more then happy to help you face some of your demons. There is nothing wrong in accepting when one is not capable of helping himself. You can overcome your farther's shadow.

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ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

WingsandRings wrote...

Let me just say: objectively, I think DA:O is a better game.  I think the story is more complex


I stopped reading here. Whatever Origins' merits were, a complex story was not among them.

I think DAII is more replayable than Origins because it's simply more fun to play. Origins was superior in many (many) ways, but it just wasn't as much fun for me, when it got down to the nitty-gritty.


I agree with this so much. 

Origins story is not complex, it's really cliché and nothing new. For me it stopped being fun after playing though it once whereas DA2 is still fun for me. 

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To me DA2 is more replayable too, and this is partly due to how it's divided into smaller "bits" unlike DA:O where you had to spend hours and hours on the Fade/Deep Roads, which only got more tiring on subsequent playthroughs.

And guys... you don't need to quote whole pages you know? :P

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I agree with the OP. DAO is the better game but boy do I dread The Fade and Deep Roads! It makes me hesitate to start another playthrough. Don't feel that way about DA2 because I know none of the quests take too long.

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Hated Deep Roads and The Fade,which is why id tend to agree,but I miss DA:O's combat.

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I've had two run throughs of DA2. I feel no compulsion to play a third.

On the other hand, i've completed the following with Origins: Elven Mage, City Elf Rogue, Dwarf Noble Warrior, Human Noble Rogue, another Mage, and am currently replaying it right now as a Dalish Rogue. That's also ignoring a Human Noble campaign I stopped halfway through, and another Mage (Solo Attempt) that I stopped halfway through. That's 6 full campaigns.

The whole Origin system gives DA1 far more replayability than 2. On my second playthrough it just felt more of the same, and I struggle to get into playing a pro-templar Hawke when he's either a Mage or has an Apostate sister. Whereas with Origins, there's 6 different backgrounds I can go with, and I don't feel restricted in those to how those characters will behave.

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I think DA:O is the better game and therefore more re-playable to my mind... however DA2 is shorter and less complex so it's less of a commitment to fire up a new Hawke... and though I hate the new art style, the updated graphics are welcome and so is the voice-acted protagonist... but man I would kill for auto-attack (PS3- come on where's that patch) sooooo..

Give me DA:O with voice acting, and updated graphics, and an expansion that doesn't suck (sorry DA:A was terrible, I can't believe they put the Bioware name on that) and I'll never need another game again! ;)

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Yellow Words wrote...

I agree with this so much. 

Origins story is not complex, it's really cliché and nothing new. For me it stopped being fun after playing though it once whereas DA2 is still fun for me. 



Are you suggesting that DA2's story is less cliche than DA? If so, I don't see that... could you explain?

By virtue of Bioware focusing on the "Hero's story" in all of their games, they have a defacto cliche story / plot line.

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No way does DAII have more replay value than DA:O. You have far less option's for setting up your main PC and companions. I'm not just talking about the loss of customization of your companion's looks. But also their skills, talents and spells. No more duel wielding warrior's, Spirit healing blood mages(I know, but it was cool) or whatever else you can think of.

I played thru DA:O at least 5 times, I can barely finish one playthru of DAII. I got to Act3 and comletely lost interest. Once the patch is released I will probably finish it and then trade the game in at my nearest Gamestop ASAP, and hope that they go back to a more CRPG formula for DA3. NO MORE HACK-N-SLASH crap please!!!

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Serpieri Nei wrote...

Figured, you’d get it kick out of how the board formats since you brought it up. Heck, I even gave you plenty of time to play with it.

Anyways, the only person failing here is yourself but since I refuse to be your mirror that’s understandable. You seemto be fixated on the why when it’s not even part of the equation. Another defence mechanism perhaps, or confusion I wonder. It’s most likely the latter; since you went off on a tangent.

You still can’t see the point even when it’s staring you in the face. It must be denial added to your already long list ofdelusions.  Being attacked is another, I wonder if you physically flinch when you read words that do not coincide with yours. Logic also doesn’t appear to be a strong point of yours, it doesn’t take two people to play DA:2 nor does it require the full attention of a single person since it’s easy to let the game play itself with very little user input.

I really can’t fathom your persecution complex. You are fixated on an imaginary crusade, seeing victims when there is none, and reeling from imaginary blows. You have decided now to create a fantasy to with the crusade and have even created a nemesis for you to slay. It’s time to grow up. If you’re not capable of having a discussion without going on a flight of fancy then I suggest you take a step back and put away the armor. Not everyone reacts by picking up the white glove ready to strike the man across from him. It’s something you need to work on.

I’m also starting to wonder if you also have a daddy complex rr your simply not aware of your trollish behaviour. Some advice, don’t be so obvious don’t attack grammar/formatting to deflect a topic that you are unprepared to face, let alone discuss. And leave your slights where they belong, or should I believe that you are also not capable of being civil.

Was wondering when you were going to fixate on someone’s butt, seriously is there a line you’re not willing to cross in your fantasy world that you have created. Strange that you believe interested and entertaining can only be viewed as positive and beneficial but then again delusions of one-self can be difficult to surpass. The challenge
facing you is a simple one, do I stay within my imaginary walls slinging stones or do I go outside. The Choice is yours.

It seems you can’t even break free from making assumptions, and still use grammar to hide behind. All it takes is one for you to use as a shield. It’s like putting a steak out for a dog that has been starved repeatedly. Most likely another fixation with your daddy, did he beat your dog as well?

Since you no longer wish to discuss DA2, I'd be more then happy to help you face some of your demons. There is nothing wrong in accepting when one is not capable of helping himself. You can overcome your farther's shadow.



Speaking of the alleged assumptions that you're misusing left and right, what makes you think I have a dog? Isn't that an assumption as well, an odd and out of place one at that? You certainly have issues. I don't have a dog, but, oh yeah, I forget, you my beotch! :devil: Because obviously you're taking my advice on grammar seriously and now feel like an idiot when I called you out on it.

So, the best you can do is the equivalent of taking whatever assertions I've made against you and apply it to me, be it the fact that I first pointed you out for trolling and making assumptions. Add lack of creativity to another of your pathetic intellectucal capacity. Moreover, I'm not reeling from your "imaginary blows," just reeling from your "imaginary friends."

The only issue you might be right about is that we've derailed this thread while I feel like I'm picking on someone with the mental capacity of a twelve year old. This whole verbal smackdown I'm putting on you is frankly justification of you being the victim, which saves you some work from whining. Just to be clear, because you apparently have a difficult time putting two and two together, said individual with deficient mental capacity is you; also, I'm not claming that you're actually a twelve year old, just with the mental capacity of one. I'm simply preempting your next line to call me the same and misinterpreting my words as an assumption. You're getting quite predictable, you know. I find it ludicrous in writing something I have to bash someone's head over to get the point across, and that's why you bore me.

Modded: took out unnecessary quotes.

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silver-crescent wrote...

To me DA2 is more replayable too, and this is partly due to how it's divided into smaller "bits" unlike DA:O where you had to spend hours and hours on the Fade/Deep Roads, which only got more tiring on subsequent playthroughs.

And guys... you don't need to quote whole pages you know? :P


The Fade never took me more than an hour. My first time in the Deep Roads took two hours.

The more playthroughs I did, the shorter time it took...not longer.  They were too dumbed down in DA:2

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Why would you replay the game when you barely have any influence on how things turn out?

From my perspective Dragon Age II is without a doubt the least replayable BioWare game to date.

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I thought DA:O was a great game too. That said, I don't agree its main story was complex, rather I thought it quite generic, albeit generic done very well and far better than most.

Since I play on PC, I have the fortunate access to many, many mods to help make DA:O more re-playable for me. To be honest, I still struggled to finish subsequent playthroughs after my first, and ended up having to shelve them until my memory had faded enough to make a replay worth trudging through the "epic" dungeon crawls again (I should point out here that the first time around I thoroughly enjoyed the Fade, the Deep Roads, and even those damn Dalish woods, but for some reason, once was plenty enough for me).

When it comes down to repeat playthroughs, all I am really interested in is seeing what I missed with respect to different dialog options, different romantic interests, different quest outcomes. I like to create protaganists with different personalities and motives. I'm not interested in repeating the combat - this is probably why I find DA2 easier to replay. I've simply turned the difficulty down to Casual and burn through everything as fast as I can. I just wish there was an option to skip combat like you can skip dialog!

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Melca36 wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

To me DA2 is more replayable too, and this is partly due to how it's divided into smaller "bits" unlike DA:O where you had to spend hours and hours on the Fade/Deep Roads, which only got more tiring on subsequent playthroughs.

And guys... you don't need to quote whole pages you know? :P


The Fade never took me more than an hour. My first time in the Deep Roads took two hours.

The more playthroughs I did, the shorter time it took...not longer.  They were too dumbed down in DA:2


How were the DR dumbed down? You go in, kill enemies & loot. Same as in DAO. Only, thank God, without the excessive and pointless padding.

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Persephone wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

The Fade never took me more than an hour. My first time in the Deep Roads took two hours.

The more playthroughs I did, the shorter time it took...not longer.  They were too dumbed down in DA:2


How were the DR dumbed down? You go in, kill enemies & loot. Same as in DAO. Only, thank God, without the excessive and pointless padding.


Yeah, dumb down is not the right term for the DR (neither it is for the Fade for that matter). You do the exact same stuff in the Deep Roads, just in a much smaller dose. DA2's fade may be a lot less complex indeed (though the Fade in Origins is only complex once, then it's just solving the same puzzle again, to which you already know the answer), but as I've said in many other threads before, there was no need for it to be a long section. The relevance it carried in DA2 wasn't as significant as the Fade from Origins.

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Figured, you’d get it kick out of how the board formats since you brought it up. Heck, I even gave you plenty of time to play with it.

Anyways, the only person failing here is yourself but since I refuse to be your mirror that’s understandable. You seemto be fixated on the why when it’s not even part of the equation. Another defence mechanism perhaps, or confusion I wonder. It’s most likely the latter; since you went off on a tangent.

You still can’t see the point even when it’s staring you in the face. It must be denial added to your already long list ofdelusions.  Being attacked is another, I wonder if you physically flinch when you read words that do not coincide with yours. Logic also doesn’t appear to be a strong point of yours, it doesn’t take two people to play DA:2 nor does it require the full attention of a single person since it’s easy to let the game play itself with very little user input.

I really can’t fathom your persecution complex. You are fixated on an imaginary crusade, seeing victims when there is none, and reeling from imaginary blows. You have decided now to create a fantasy to with the crusade and have even created a nemesis for you to slay. It’s time to grow up. If you’re not capable of having a discussion without going on a flight of fancy then I suggest you take a step back and put away the armor. Not everyone reacts by picking up the white glove ready to strike the man across from him. It’s something you need to work on.

I’m also starting to wonder if you also have a daddy complex rr your simply not aware of your trollish behaviour. Some advice, don’t be so obvious don’t attack grammar/formatting to deflect a topic that you are unprepared to face, let alone discuss. And leave your slights where they belong, or should I believe that you are also not capable of being civil.

Was wondering when you were going to fixate on someone’s butt, seriously is there a line you’re not willing to cross in your fantasy world that you have created. Strange that you believe interested and entertaining can only be viewed as positive and beneficial but then again delusions of one-self can be difficult to surpass. The challenge
facing you is a simple one, do I stay within my imaginary walls slinging stones or do I go outside. The Choice is yours.

It seems you can’t even break free from making assumptions, and still use grammar to hide behind. All it takes is one for you to use as a shield. It’s like putting a steak out for a dog that has been starved repeatedly. Most likely another fixation with your daddy, did he beat your dog as well?

Since you no longer wish to discuss DA2, I'd be more then happy to help you face some of your demons. There is nothing wrong in accepting when one is not capable of helping himself. You can overcome your farther's shadow.



Speaking of the alleged assumptions that you're misusing left and right, what makes you think I have a dog? Isn't that an assumption as well, an odd and out of place one at that? You certainly have issues. I don't have a dog, but, oh yeah, I forget, you my beotch! :devil: Because obviously you're taking my advice on grammar seriously and now feel like an idiot when I called you out on it.

So, the best you can do is the equivalent of taking whatever assertions I've made against you and apply it to me, be it the fact that I first pointed you out for trolling and making assumptions. Add lack of creativity to another of your pathetic intellectucal capacity. Moreover, I'm not reeling from your "imaginary blows," just reeling from your "imaginary friends."

The only issue you might be right about is that we've derailed this thread while I feel like I'm picking on someone with the mental capacity of a twelve year old. This whole verbal smackdown I'm putting on you is frankly justification of you being the victim, which saves you some work from whining. Just to be clear, because you apparently have a difficult time putting two and two together, said individual with deficient mental capacity is you; also, I'm not claming that you're actually a twelve year old, just with the mental capacity of one. I'm simply preempting your next line to call me the same and misinterpreting my words as an assumption. You're getting quite predictable, you know. I find it ludicrous in writing something I have to bash someone's head over to get the point across, and that's why you bore me.

Modded: took out unnecessary quotes.


It seems even metaphors are beyond your understanding. I will have to keep our next discussion at a lower level so that I don’t confuse you. Don’t beat yourself too badly over this. You walked into a situation that you can’t handle and now you’re trying desperately to stay afloat like a duck on a pond. I hope that simple visualization is not beyond your mental faculties which clearly have been brought into question.

Like the parable of the Boy who cried Wolf? You spent your time crying Troll when there was none. Thinking that it was clever as you laughed to yourself. But the next time may not be a joke, when a Troll indeed comes and mocks you. Leaving you once again flailing your hands and crying troll, and wondering why no one cares. If this parable is beyond your understand, then I will have no choice but to lower my expectations once again when speaking to you and try to reach your level of intellect.

The derailment was the only goal that you have accomplished, you have failed to provide sufficient backing that shows DA2 is more replayable then DA:O. Based on what you consider to be the strengths of DA2. I can conclude that DA:O was beyond your ability to play since it was not handed to you on a silver platter. I can only wonder why some people prefer a game to play itself, while you sit idly back giggling as the level unfolds.

Once again, I must remind you that I am not your mirror. It’s time that you should some individualism instead of using my words. You have made it clear more than once that you lack the capacity to understand not only the meaning but the intent behind them. Take the time to formulate your own thought for once.

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At least I cared enough to finish DA:O and Awakening. The "Gather armies kill dragon" is not worth a replay though.

If DA2 had less glaring flaws and signs of being rushed it might be worth a playthrough and even replays. The city and characters changing over time depending on your choices could have been amazing, but it didn't happen.