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[TJSolo]

tiernanls wrote...

Daeion wrote...

When waves are properly implemented into areas where they make sense, they can add to a story or game, but when every fight is a wave, even when it doesn't make sense, and the guys just magically materialize in thin air, it detracts from the game. In DA:O there were waves but they weren't overabundant, they were things like when you had to defend red cliff from the undead. In DA2 however they don't add anything to battles except to prolong them but they also don't make the fights any harder.

you cannot be playing this game on nightmare.  it makes it way harder.  nothing was more defeating to finally whittle down all the minor enemies and finally be able to turn your full attention on the assasin making your life hell only to see TWO more assasins run to his aid.  or to take down the final blood mage sapping your life only to have two elite rage demons pop up in his wake.  each wave in the game added an additional elite combatant, and if you didnt take down the original elite combatants first, you were suddenly engaging several more in addition to more ranged combatants.  the adds on nightmare took the difficulty of the game to another level, but also left each finished encounter with the sense that you had jsut done something challenging and difficult.  it was satisfying. 

the only case in which ill agree it was too much was because the loot sucked hard core throughout the entire game.  i wish there had been more decent items spread throughout the game on regular encounters. 

in the end the people that want to cry about this stuff will keep crying about it.  nothing i say will make a difference.  i just think that a great majority of the people who bought this game really enjoyed it and that the boards are filled with the extremely vocal minority that want to bash every facet of it.  most people who play dragon age as a series could care less about the lore or that there are books.  its a game.  they care if its fun.  not if it stays true to everything every little fantasy fanboy wants out of it.  i choose to speak for those still having fun and actually playing the game.  lol. 

Don't pretend to speak for anyone other than yourself and don't make up a silent majority to support your nonsense.

Modifié par TJSolo, 01 avril 2011 - 09:52 .

[Perles75]

completely agree with whom says that waves of enemies at every combat get really boring, the idea can be interesting but here's really overdone.

[tiernanls]

TJSolo wrote...

tiernanls wrote...

Daeion wrote...

When waves are properly implemented into areas where they make sense, they can add to a story or game, but when every fight is a wave, even when it doesn't make sense, and the guys just magically materialize in thin air, it detracts from the game. In DA:O there were waves but they weren't overabundant, they were things like when you had to defend red cliff from the undead. In DA2 however they don't add anything to battles except to prolong them but they also don't make the fights any harder.

you cannot be playing this game on nightmare.  it makes it way harder.  nothing was more defeating to finally whittle down all the minor enemies and finally be able to turn your full attention on the assasin making your life hell only to see TWO more assasins run to his aid.  or to take down the final blood mage sapping your life only to have two elite rage demons pop up in his wake.  each wave in the game added an additional elite combatant, and if you didnt take down the original elite combatants first, you were suddenly engaging several more in addition to more ranged combatants.  the adds on nightmare took the difficulty of the game to another level, but also left each finished encounter with the sense that you had jsut done something challenging and difficult.  it was satisfying. 

the only case in which ill agree it was too much was because the loot sucked hard core throughout the entire game.  i wish there had been more decent items spread throughout the game on regular encounters. 

in the end the people that want to cry about this stuff will keep crying about it.  nothing i say will make a difference.  i just think that a great majority of the people who bought this game really enjoyed it and that the boards are filled with the extremely vocal minority that want to bash every facet of it.  most people who play dragon age as a series could care less about the lore or that there are books.  its a game.  they care if its fun.  not if it stays true to everything every little fantasy fanboy wants out of it.  i choose to speak for those still having fun and actually playing the game.  lol. 

Don't pretend to speak for anyone other than yourself and don't make up a silent majority to support your nonsense.

get a life buddy.  every individual i know in the actual real world loves this game.  youll find more people on facebook clicking like than you will find individuals on here hating it for crushing all their hopes and dreams.  you just keep tellign yourself the majority of people who bought it hate it.  tell yourself that through the millions of dlc sales, followed by the millions of copies of 3 sold.  same thing happened when mass effect 2 came out.  "hardcore" gamers abound blasting it for all its "failures" while the great majority loved that it was fast paced and simplified and poured millions of dollars into dlc expansions.  my opinion rings true with a helluva lot more people than yours.  nothing talks like the almighty dollar. 

[TJSolo]

tiernanls wrote...

get a life buddy.  every individual i know in the actual real world loves this game.  youll find more people on facebook clicking like than you will find individuals on here hating it for crushing all their hopes and dreams.  you just keep tellign yourself the majority of people who bought it hate it.  tell yourself that through the millions of dlc sales, followed by the millions of copies of 3 sold.  same thing happened when mass effect 2 came out.  "hardcore" gamers abound blasting it for all its "failures" while the great majority loved that it was fast paced and simplified and poured millions of dollars into dlc expansions.  my opinion rings true with a helluva lot more people than yours.  nothing talks like the almighty dollar. 

I have a life and by the fact you are posting about DA2 in the DA2 forums means you and I have two things in common.
Where have I tried to imply that the majority agree with me? Nowhere. 
Is there even an option to NOT Like something on FB? So how can you even guess the number of people that don't like it? DA2 as sold about 600K on XBOX360 alone, yet the Likes on FB are at 13k(most of which was before anyone even played it) and there are over 600 million users on FB...your perception is leading you astray. So take the advice to just speak your opinion without the nonsense claims that any majority agrees with you.  No matter how many people you think agree with your opinion, it is still an opinion and is no truer than anyone elses here.
ME2 sold well because of ME1, it was a sequel and people wanted to continue the story. Now pretend there is a platform the does not have ME1 to endorse ME2. Do you think that ME2 will be a massive success? Oh wait there is such a platform.

Modifié par TJSolo, 02 avril 2011 - 12:27 .

[The Spirit of Dance]

i thought making waves of enemies was a good idea it added reason to think about cross-class combos when building your party (besides the unbelievably durable enemies that just won't die any other way). However adding them in every fight was simply annoying especially when i accidentally run into another enemy spawn point causing 2 different enemy waves to attack me at once. The other thing that annoyed me about waves is that they spawn right on top of your guys then swarm over your characters that are weak in taking hits. So if there was a better way they could spawn onto the field without seeing waves every single battle I'd be happy.

edit: bringing back traps from origins would have been a good way to deal with waves

Modifié par supremebloodwolf, 02 avril 2011 - 01:01 .

[sonsonthebia07]

Agree with ya OP. But I still think some fights work awesome as waves, such as the quest where you 'save' a certain son of a certain important person in Kirkwall in Act 1. I don't like how every single encounter is like this though. They add a quick reaction element to fights that works very well - the problem being that they JUST APPEAR out of thin air which is a huge "wtf" moment for me every time.

I've said the same thing in over a dozen threads now I think. =)

[aragfore03]

I really didn't like the waves. At the very least they were implemented poorly. Also hated how sometimes enemies just appeared out of thin air! Not to mention teleporting mages....

I also wish that enemies weren't simply obstacles in your path. I wish it made more sense to the story.

[tiernanls]

TJSolo wrote...

tiernanls wrote...

get a life buddy.  every individual i know in the actual real world loves this game.  youll find more people on facebook clicking like than you will find individuals on here hating it for crushing all their hopes and dreams.  you just keep tellign yourself the majority of people who bought it hate it.  tell yourself that through the millions of dlc sales, followed by the millions of copies of 3 sold.  same thing happened when mass effect 2 came out.  "hardcore" gamers abound blasting it for all its "failures" while the great majority loved that it was fast paced and simplified and poured millions of dollars into dlc expansions.  my opinion rings true with a helluva lot more people than yours.  nothing talks like the almighty dollar. 

I have a life and by the fact you are posting about DA2 in the DA2 forums means you and I have two things in common.
Where have I tried to imply that the majority agree with me? Nowhere. 
Is there even an option to NOT Like something on FB? So how can you even guess the number of people that don't like it? DA2 as sold about 600K on XBOX360 alone, yet the Likes on FB are at 13k(most of which was before anyone even played it) and there are over 600 million users on FB...your perception is leading you astray. So take the advice to just speak your opinion without the nonsense claims that any majority agrees with you.  No matter how many people you think agree with your opinion, it is still an opinion and is no truer than anyone elses here.
ME2 sold well because of ME1, it was a sequel and people wanted to continue the story. Now pretend there is a platform the does not have ME1 to endorse ME2. Do you think that ME2 will be a massive success? Oh wait there is such a platform.

whats your explanation for me2 dlc?  people just bought it in droves because the game was just so awful huh?  not to mention that every game in question had a playable demo.  if it was such crap why did you buy it?  and you absolutely implied that most agree with you by even arguing against that the majority of consumers who bought the game liked it.  its a simply statement.  either the majority of people who purchased this game like it, or they dont.  you want to get your panties in a bunch over the argument, then youre taking a side.  period.  you dont have to say it specifically.  that whay "imply" means.  look it up.  either most people like the game, or most people fall into your category.  thought it would suck, bought it anyway.... essentially stupid. 

nothing talks like the almighty dollar.  the majority do in fact agree with me.  there may not be a dislike button on facebook, but the option to not click it is there, and therefor the option to not like it is there.  but compare the likes to the number of negative posters on this site.  not even close.  you can make up any excuse you want for the likes, but the fact remains.  a whole lot of people clicked like, and a whole lot more people are too busy playing the game to get on any internet message board one way or the other. 

your perception is leading YOU astray.  try not to let your massively hurt feelings over the direction the franchise took to lead you into believing that everyone hates this game.  they dont.  they can pretty much all be found here.  its not "nonsense".  if i actually physically know more people that like this game than ive seen post negative feedback on this or any other board, then i can pretty much support said claim.  get over it.  go cry in your moms basement.   

[WidowMaker9394]

So true. I liked how some gang members would jump from roof tops to the ground but I hate it when enemies spawn out of thin air right in front of you.

[TJSolo]

tiernanls wrote...

whats your explanation for me2 dlc?  people just bought it in droves because the game was just so awful huh?  not to mention that every game in question had a playable demo.  if it was such crap why did you buy it?  and you absolutely implied that most agree with you by even arguing against that the majority of consumers who bought the game liked it.  its a simply statement.  either the majority of people who purchased this game like it, or they dont.  you want to get your panties in a bunch over the argument, then youre taking a side.  period.  you dont have to say it specifically.  that whay "imply" means.  look it up.  either most people like the game, or most people fall into your category.  thought it would suck, bought it anyway.... essentially stupid. 

I bought the game because of DA:O, the DA2 demo showcased fighting and a slice of one companion's story, that was not enough to put me off from buying, certainly not enough was covered for me to call it crap.

I absolutely do not imply anysort of group agrees with me when making my opinion. I am not arguing against some majority, I am arguing with you and the fact you have no clue what anyone thinks if they don't share their opinion. Of the two limited categories you are using I fall into neither because if I don't tell you how I feel about this game you don't know.

nothing talks like the almighty dollar.  the majority do in fact agree with me.  there may not be a dislike button on facebook, but the option to not click it is there, and therefor the option to not like it is there.  but compare the likes to the number of negative posters on this site.  not even close.  you can make up any excuse you want for the likes, but the fact remains.  a whole lot of people clicked like, and a whole lot more people are too busy playing the game to get on any internet message board one way or the other.

There is only the "Like" button which present the option to click or not to click, there is a difference between not clicking the "Like" button and not liking something. Fun fact most of those "Likes" were there before anyone even played the game.
You continue to cling to some majority? Why don't you define them. The majority of FB users? That can't be.
The majority of FB users have not hit like on the DA2 page. What about the majority of gamers? That can't be The majority of gamers on any platform have not bought DA2.
There are a whole lot of people who did not buy the game. There are a whole lot of people busy playing other games. There are a whole lot of people doing things you can't even imagine. There is no way to assume why those people are not on these boards or anyplace you a familiar with.

your perception is leading YOU astray.  try not to let your massively hurt feelings over the direction the franchise took to lead you into believing that everyone hates this game.  they dont.  they can pretty much all be found here.  its not "nonsense".  if i actually physically know more people that like this game than ive seen post negative feedback on this or any other board, then i can pretty much support said claim.  get over it.  go cry in your moms basement.   

Hooray more emotional assignment from you. I don't about this nearly as much as you think. The less interested I am in a game just means it gets traded into Gamestop sooner and I am off to buy more games to see how long they can hold my interest. I just find the message boards with divided fans to be entertaining.

I am going to bet you don't even physically know 50 gamers let alone 50 people that bought DA2 and liked it. But enjoy your small world complex.

Modifié par TJSolo, 03 avril 2011 - 04:23 .

[tiernanls]

TJSolo wrote...

tiernanls wrote...

whats your explanation for me2 dlc?  people just bought it in droves because the game was just so awful huh?  not to mention that every game in question had a playable demo.  if it was such crap why did you buy it?  and you absolutely implied that most agree with you by even arguing against that the majority of consumers who bought the game liked it.  its a simply statement.  either the majority of people who purchased this game like it, or they dont.  you want to get your panties in a bunch over the argument, then youre taking a side.  period.  you dont have to say it specifically.  that whay "imply" means.  look it up.  either most people like the game, or most people fall into your category.  thought it would suck, bought it anyway.... essentially stupid. 

I bought the game because of DA:O, the DA2 demo showcased fighting and a slice of one companion's story, that was not enough to put me off from buying, certainly not enough was covered for me to call it crap.

I absolutely do not imply anysort of group agrees with me when making my opinion. I am not arguing against some majority, I am arguing with you and the fact you have no clue what anyone thinks if they don't share their opinion. Of the two limited categories you are using I fall into neither because if I don't tell you how I feel about this game you don't know.

nothing talks like the almighty dollar.  the majority do in fact agree with me.  there may not be a dislike button on facebook, but the option to not click it is there, and therefor the option to not like it is there.  but compare the likes to the number of negative posters on this site.  not even close.  you can make up any excuse you want for the likes, but the fact remains.  a whole lot of people clicked like, and a whole lot more people are too busy playing the game to get on any internet message board one way or the other.

There is only the "Like" button which present the option to click or not to click, there is a difference between not clicking the "Like" button and not liking something. Fun fact most of those "Likes" were there before anyone even played the game.
You continue to cling to some majority? Why don't you define them. The majority of FB users? That can't be.
The majority of FB users have not hit like on the DA2 page. What about the majority of gamers? That can't be The majority of gamers on any platform have not bought DA2.
There are a whole lot of people who did not buy the game. There are a whole lot of people busy playing other games. There are a whole lot of people doing things you can't even imagine. There is no way to assume why those people are not on these boards or anyplace you a familiar with.

your perception is leading YOU astray.  try not to let your massively hurt feelings over the direction the franchise took to lead you into believing that everyone hates this game.  they dont.  they can pretty much all be found here.  its not "nonsense".  if i actually physically know more people that like this game than ive seen post negative feedback on this or any other board, then i can pretty much support said claim.  get over it.  go cry in your moms basement.   

Hooray more emotional assignment from you. I don't about this nearly as much as you think. The less interested I am in a game just means it gets traded into Gamestop sooner and I am off to buy more games to see how long they can hold my interest. I just find the message boards with divided fans to be entertaining.

I am going to bet you don't even physically know 50 gamers let alone 50 people that bought DA2 and liked it. But enjoy your small world complex.

dear lord you are a moron. 



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so yes, you absolutely implied you thought the majority of gamers disliked the game when your initial only response was a one word sentence in which you labeled my claim that most people actually enjoyed the game but didnt post about it as "nonsense".  your response fits the very definition of an implication.  try wrapping you little mind around that and move on from it. 

as far as whether or not i have any clue of waht anyone else thinks thats just based on your own presumptions.  i have a ps3 friend list i wont bother to count and a 360 list maxed for longer than i can remember.  most of which comes form playing games "hardcore" origins fans would spit on as far as what kind of games they are.  like madden and gears.  i pretty much play everything.  as well as having done things in my life to actually aquire numerous contacts, almost all of which play games either casually or as a source of income.  from multi-tv goldeneye get togethers on the 64 back in the day to sitting around the dorm rooms having madden tourneys to showcasing quitar hero features during corporate blockbuster release events.  im not overly young, i dont live in my moms basement, and i have a job.  and everyone i know enjoys games to some degree from the most casual aquantances i know only through online gameplay,  to my wife. 


based on what i would call a rather large personal sampling (a quite small national smalping i grant you), i would say about 80% of the people i know have played dragon age 2, and suprisingly only about 50% of the people i know finished a playthrough on origins.  everyone i know loves mass effect and we all pretty much tried origins based on that.  most hated it.  it flat sucked on the consoles really.  buggy as hell, and the combat was hella boring and tedius.  im a but of a closet nerd and will play pretty much anything in a fantasy environment.  so i actually liked everythign about it except the graphics (subpar by industry standards) and combat.  of the people that still tried dragon age 2 hands down almost every single one of them except maybe 6 people thought 2 was way way better and turned them back on to the series.  why do you think the demo showcased the new combat?  they knew thats what held origins back from breaking through its cult status into mass appeal.  which whether you guys like it or not is clearly what they were going for.  and as far as me having no clue what anyone thinks?  well tahts about the most gratuitously inaccurate and completely moronic assumption youve made.  i happen to know what eveyone i know thinks about it, and even what most people on these boards think about it.  which is prolly about 70/30 hate/like for the boards overall.  but thats probably a smaller sampling than even mine.   so yeah.  i prolly know more of what "people" think than you do. 


as to your second quote and your proceeding argument... youre an idiot.  i clearly stated in my initial statement that my "sampling" as it were was of people who had purchased the game.  so thats my definition of the majority as pertaining to this specific argument.  a 5th grader answering an essay question about context clues could have answered that.  congratulations.  i think less of you.  not that it matters or that you should care.  its the internet for christs sake. 


and to your last quote all i can say in response is... if the shoe fits.  if it makes you feel better to envision me as someone with some kind of a "small world complex" that doesnt know more than 50 people than more power to ya.  whatever floats your boat.  if i hurt your feelings through unfair "emotional" assignment than im sorry.  except im not.  its an internet message board.  just like you think its fun to pick fights on divided message boards i happen to take great joy in pointing out the lunacy of crybaby fanboys who are still hurting that the dragon age series hasnt lived up to the greatness of the first, or that it didnt meet the expectations they had in their minds that they fabricated from reading youth fiction related to the title. 

the truth is most peoples gripes can be lumped into writing or combat execution.  the only legitimate gripe most people share about the actually quality of the game is that the recycled maps was a weak decision.  otherwise dragon age 2 was a much much better game quality wise.  you may not like the way they went with combat, but as a game the combat mechanic functions better than it did in the first... at least on the consoles... and its not even close.  the graphics are still kinda below the best in the industry but at least it feels like a next gen game now.  if you didnt like the story well... that sucks.  not a whole lot you can do if you think the overall theme blows.  its just hard for me to imagine anyone who loved the first not at least enjoying the story of the second a bit. 


at the end of the day its really not hard to me to discern who liked and didnt like this game that played it (i feel like i have to add "that played it" so as not to confuse you).  pc gamers by and large with very few exceptions think it sucked for any number of reasons.  pc gamers like games for different reasons than console gamers.  their gripes are legitimate.  but by and large console gamers feel like the second one is an improvement.  maybe not in all the ways they hoped but an improvement none the less.  and there are far more console gamers than there are pc gamers.  so why all the negative feedback?  every poll ive ever participated in regardless of which side of the poll i was on essentially comes to the same conclusion.  the majority of people who post on gaming message boards about the games they play play them on the pc.  so if you see the majority of posts on a message board bashing a game the only solid assesment you can make from a similar poll is that the game was not well received amongst pc gamers.  however most console gamers never even think to visit gaming message boards.  most of them leave gaming at gaming.  when they put down the controller they dont think about it much past that.  and i know a lot of you hate to hear this but pc gaming is a dying breed.  the only genre in which pc gamers still garner the bulk of the designers intended market is mmorpg's.  after that they really only care what console gamers think because, whether most of you like or not, thats where the money is.  the sooner you accept that the sooner youll be able to accept that just about any game designed for both consoles and pc's will take into account the flaws in the console version more than the pc version. 


the pc crowd essentially no longer counts.  the general pr perspective is that if they like the game and we sell some copies on pc, then great.  but from a business model its much more important we sell to the console crowd.  thats just the direction of gaming from hence forth.  sucks for pc gamers but thats jus the way it is. 

[TJSolo]

What a silly post. I guess I can no longer reply to you because you are too interested insulting and being irrational than actually thinking about how flimsy it is to constantly bring your local majority. Look here is the entire reason you posted.

tiernanls wrote..
  i choose to speak for those still having fun and actually playing the game.  lol. 
 

You don't know crap about what somone else is doing or thinking if that person is not speaking up for themselves or pretend that the only ones with complaints about the game are on this board only, it's stupid, self-righteous, and ignorant.

Modifié par TJSolo, 04 avril 2011 - 12:43 .

[Jman5]

• I didn't like the wave system at first, but I've come to realize that there are upsides to have some form of wave system in Dragon Age.

1. The randomness of it, forces you to invest more into escape/anti-agro abilities on your ranged.

2. Wave system encourages players to use the minimap and pause command more in battle.

3. You can't just blow all your abilities on one big attack and then move on.

4. It allows players to create huge spell combo attacks without making the fights too easy.

• That said, I have some serious reservations to how DA2 implemented it.

1. The actual respawn mechanic is a bit sloppy and sort of lame looking.

2. People find the ambush waves when traveling from Point A to Point B tedious. Night time Gang
ambushes should probably just be 1 wave usually. Save the waves for the quest zones.

3. Some waves seem to go on and on and on and on. There should be some sort of intuitive system in place to denote these special extra-long semi-boss fights. I suggested creating special combat music for these fights so players have some notion of what they are getting themselves into.

4. There needs to be some way to keep players from just running away to avoid the respawns. Not only does it make it tedious for the player, but it teaches them bad habits. I recommend implementing some sort of temporary blockades around the area vs special waves. In a demon infested zone it could be a magical barrier, and in the city it could be some sort of burning cart pushed onto the road. (just make sure you create some sort of cool animation and not just *POOF* cart!)

Modifié par Jman5, 04 avril 2011 - 02:29 .

[gingerbill]

waves were horribly done in DA2 and im a big fan of the game , worst thing about the game for me was the horrible spawning waves.

DAO had waves but i didnt mind them as they didnt feel as forced and as silly . I would prefer no waves but could handle them done like in DAO.

[Nerdage]

Anybody remember a thread (Bioware-created, I think, may have been one of Victor's) in the DAO section quite a while ago about "what were your favourite encounters?"? There were alot of people who said the bridge fight in the deep roads was one of their favourites, probably the best example in DAO of enemies coming at you in waves. Maybe they were listening but went a bit over-board on it?

With the bridge fight, we were really far into the deep roads, on a rather dilapidated looking bridge over a sea of darkspawn having just seen the arch demon fly past in this massive cave fighting loads of darkspawn and *that* was epic. Just trying to cross a relatively small city area at night and having to fight a good 30/40 bandits who all come in waves of about 6, never realizing that they have no hope of winning but merrily skipping to their deaths anyway... It's not the same.

Honestly, I almost feel bad, killing so many people who are probably just trying to make ends meet, feeding their impoverished families or what not. Imagine all the starving orphans Hawke leaves in his wake, acting all self-righteous on current affairs. Come on, now.

Modifié par nerdage, 04 avril 2011 - 03:24 .

[Cody211282]

nerdage wrote...

Anybody remember a thread (Bioware-created, I think, may have been one of Victor's) in the DAO section quite a while ago about "what were your favourite encounters?"? There were alot of people who said the bridge fight in the deep roads was one of their favourites, probably the best example in DAO of enemies coming at you in waves. Maybe they were listening but went a bit over-board on it?

With the bridge fight, we were really far into the deep roads, on a rather dilapidated looking bridge over a sea of darkspawn having just seen the arch demon fly past in this massive cave fighting loads of darkspawn and *that* was epic. Just trying to cross a relatively small city area at night and having to fight a good 30/40 bandits attack you who all come in waves of about 6, never realizing that they have no hope of winning but merrily skipping to their deaths anyway... It's not the same.

Honestly, I almost feel bad, killing so many people who are probably just trying to make ends meet, feeding their impoverished families or what not. Imagine all the starving orphans Hawke leaves in his wake, acting all self-righteous on current affairs. Come on, now.

Over the course of 10 years I think Hawke has litterly killed anyone who even remotly broke the law, hell he is more effective then any crappy comicbook hero.

But yea the fight on the bridge of DA:O was awesome, mostly because it didn't happen every damn fight and it made you look like a BAMF in front of dwarven special forces. Hell at then end of it they are that much closer to getting their fortress back as well.

Modifié par Cody211282, 04 avril 2011 - 03:27 .

[TrueProphecy22]

I'll definately agree with the OP.   Having waves of enemies is not a terrible thing, but the way they appear and the fact that every single encounter has them is.

My first impression on having a second wave come falling down from the rooftops in Kirkwall was that it was a pretty neat design choice and really heated up the combat.  When I actually wasn't too busy fighting to notice them appear out of thin air a few feet above the ground, I was jarred.  I can accept rogue reinforcments coming out of stealth, undead bursting from the ground, spiders dropping from the cieling, nearby trees coming to life, phantasims appearing out of thin air, but not human enemies just appearing right there out of nowhere like that.

It's a shame that teleportation defies the laws of Dragon Age physics or that could have been a wonderful way to make new waves of enemies more immersive.

But then again, why not just make the dozen or so enemies already there more difficult to defeat?

[Rogue Eagle]

I agree, waves were tedious and destroyed any tension.

[tiernanls]

TJSolo wrote...

What a silly post. I guess I can no longer reply to you because you are too interested insulting and being irrational than actually thinking about how flimsy it is to constantly bring your local majority. Look here is the entire reason you posted.

tiernanls wrote..
  i choose to speak for those still having fun and actually playing the game.  lol. 
 

You don't know crap about what somone else is doing or thinking if that person is not speaking up for themselves or pretend that the only ones with complaints about the game are on this board only, it's stupid, self-righteous, and ignorant.

holy **** you colossal retard.  I KNOW AND HAVE SPOKEN TO LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE PLAYED THE GAME, AM AWARE OF THEIR FEELINGS THEY HAVE MADE KNOWN TO ME, AND CHOOSE TO SPEAK FOR THEM AS I AM WELL AWARE OF THEIR FEELINGS ON THE GAME!!!

i dont know how many friggin ways i need to tell you taht to get it through your thick head.  you took that one comment in my original post out of context.  that comment was about the people i personally KNOW.  YOU attached it to my comment that most people like the game, which is where you get the insane notion that i am taking the stance of speaking for millions. 

your whole argument repeats the same insane drivel.  you have no reponse to anything with any meaning, just over and over again... "You don't know crap about what somone else is doing or thinking if that person is not speaking up for themselves ".  well duh genius.  its not my problem that you cant accept i was talking about people that HAVE spoken to me.  jesus dude.  go back to school or something. 

[corebit]

Wave spawns by themselves are fine.

The problem is, they overdid it, so that every single encounter was like that, much like the recycled areas.

[Trefalen]

I think the waves are fun, seeing them drop etc.. If you have strong templates on your team, they aren't any problem IMHO. I think some here bothered by them  have not played any MMO's. I see what seems to be a lot of testing of ideas for future mmo's etc by Bio in DA. Want proof? Force mage skills?

Modifié par Trefalen, 04 avril 2011 - 08:18 .

[Schurge]

Waves are necessary when combat is as simplistic as it is in Dragon Age ][. That said, they are fun.

And if you are running out of AP / Mana you are doing it wrong.

Modifié par Schurge, 04 avril 2011 - 08:35 .

[Kimberly Shaw]

tiernanls wrote...
holy **** you colossal retard. 

And reported. Why can't some people make their point without calling people "retards"?

I really hope you get banned from posting here.

[tonnactus]

Ronin2006 wrote...
However, enemies spawning out of thin air is stupid and unrealisticgame.

Just see it as some kind of stealth and camouflage. It isnt that hard. Its a minor problem at best.

Modifié par tonnactus, 04 avril 2011 - 08:45 .