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#26
Fieryeel

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Not every abomination is ugly.

Desire abominations(called Desire for a reason) usually has them appearing as normal versions of the host, or as the desire demon herself.

Pride abominations rarely appear ugly too, either taking on the form of the host, or the pride demon.

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The Angry One wrote...

The Mouse deal is contingent on you being an idiot (believing a silly sob story that has little precident) and you can't fall for it regardless.


Was I the only one vaguely irritated by that?  I can see why it's not hard to resist the demon for gameplay purposes, but it shouldn't be impossible NOT to resist.  In ME2 they gave the option to be a ****** with an alien succubus.  Besides, am I really alone in thinking it'd be funny to see a cutscene of mage origin PC suddenly morph into a pride demon and kill 15 templars before being taken down?  If Anders' possessed cat can take down 2, I'm sure a pride demon PC abomination could take at least 15.  I bet Cullen would scream like a little girl.  Ahh...  <stares off dreamily>

Inzhuna wrote...

I wish we had a chance to roleplay that our hero is actually tempted by demon's offer. I mean, in Origins the dream was you in Weisshaupt as a warden... None of my PCs cared for that. If, for example, those dreams were catered to every origin, and, e.g. Cousland got their whole family back or Tabris was back with her family, with the Vaughn thing never happened. That would be much more interesting.

Or for Hawke, getting their sibling back. I did like that you could deceive the demon, though. Telling Anders 'it was a trick you idiot' (paraphrased) afterwards and his reaction were pretty fun.


The problem is, demons don't have that kind of power.  They can't bring people back from the dead.  The sloth demon was only making his victims hallucinate things.  Once the PC figures out it's not real, why bother?  It's only a dream when you don't know it's a lie.

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Liliandra Nadiar

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Rifneno wrote...
 It's only a dream when you don't know it's a lie.


Or...
It's only a dream when you wake up.

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I'd like to see more tempting offers, too, but I don't know what they might be. The one that offered Blood Magic was the most compelling even though you could cheat and just reload. It's easier to offer companions what they want, even if they know better, because they are scripted. I don't know how they'd go about making an offer that was good enough for players since we always know better and aren't really being offered our heart's desires. The only thing I can think of would be if the demon offered some sort of crazy amount of power in the form of many attribute and ability points, to the point where selling out to a demon would make us ridiculously powerful.

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ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

But killing the demon would mean killing Connor and saving Eamon, not the other way around.

[EDIT] Any way you look at it, I'd kill Connor if I had to. I actually liked Isolde.


There's 2 ways to kill the demon, kill Connor or enter the fade and kill only the demon while keeping Connor alive. The demon was keeping Eamon alive so theoretically killing the demon would kill Eamon. I think Bioware kind of ruined that by making it take a long time for Eamon to die, giving you time to get the ashes and save everyone.

It woulda been cool to have than choice to give Connor to the demon to save Eamon, defeat the blight and then later find out the demon lied and destroyed Redcliffe while you were at the landsmeet so you get the Denerim army on your side but lose the Redcliffe one. Alternately you kill the demon and lose Eamon and a different version of the final battle plays out, starting with you in prison or something, none of the armies are with you and Denerim gets totally destroyed. You still find a way to break out and defeat the Archdemon and end up the hero but Ferelden is crippled.

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The Angry One wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...

The *best* Faustian bargain in all of DA2 is when Bartrand's former partner approaches you and offers to pay your way into the expedition. Likewise the best one in Origins was "Mouse" in the Mage Origin.


I don't really see how in either case.
With Dougal, it's on the surface not a terrible deal. Bartrand's an ass, you don't know Dougal as any kind of bad person (he tried to have Bartrand killed? That's positively normal in Dwarven politics).
The consequences aren't bad either, he just ambushes you in an easy fight because he's greedy and stupid.

The Mouse deal is contingent on you being an idiot (believing a silly sob story that has little precident) and you can't fall for it regardless.


That's what makes them the best.  You don't know what the dealio is in advance.  They seem fairly innocuous.