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[BubbleDncr]

 I'm on my 2nd playthrough right now, and I think there's basically 3 things that will carry over to DA3:

1) If you sided with Mages or Templars. If the war between them is a main conflict of DA3, things will probably just be slighted tweaked to reflect which side had Hawke's support. Nothing major that would change too many quests around, but it will probably effect a lot of dialog. Perhaps whichever side Hawke sided is "winning," because they're all rallied around Hawke, or something. It won't be earth-shatteringly different, but it may just change the overall feel of some quests.

2) If you killed the Arishok. If the Quanari play any role in DA3, the Arishok may or may not be in it, based on if you killed him or not. I imagine this will probably be on a scale similar to is Wrex was killed or not for ME2. 

3) If Sister Petrice lives or dies. On my 2nd playthrough, I sided with her, and she wasn't killed - then in Act 3, I talked to her in the Chantry, and she was preaching about how a schism in the Chantry is coming. With everything pointing to **** going down in Orlais next game, I wouldn't be surprised if she shows up again.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Wait... what? You can actually side with Petrice? Really?

Also, if the current Arishok was killed, I wouldn't be surprised to see a certain Sten taking his place.

[BubbleDncr]

Yep..I kind of did it by accident. I was being evil, so when I came across the Templar who was holding them prisoner, I jecided to just kill the Qunari myself. Then when she killed Saemus, she was all, "You showed your loyalty earlier, will you side with me now?"

And I was just like, Sure? I have no idea why I'm doing this, but it's different than my first playthrough and seems evil..."

[Kaiser Shepard]

Interesting, did not know that. Can't find any footage of it on Youtube, so I'm hoping I still have a save for somewhere around that point.

[Greed1914]

I would guess that a certain amount would be changed depending on if your sibling went into the Deep Roads. If they died, obviously they wouldn't be there. If they became a Grey Warden, there might be some dealings with them. And if they stayed, then you'll either have a Circle mage sister or a Templar brother to consider.

[Brockololly]

Honestly, I can't think of nearly as many "big" sort of plot flags that would seem to carry forward, especially as compared to DAO. The only way things from DA2 likely carry forward in any remotely big way would be if Hawke is back in a major role.

Even the whole Mages/Templars thing seems pretty one size fits all in Hawke's involvement. Maybe Feynriel's fate, but thats probably more to just introduce the notion of Dreamers, as I have a feeling that may play a role in the future, especially if Flemeth stays involved.

Modifié par Brockololly, 01 avril 2011 - 05:42 .

[Trophonius]

Isn't the Arishok/Mother Petrice thing set in stone already? As in, they're programmed to die and can't be saved in any way?

I was thinking about Feynriel and how his fate may end up carrying over. You can choose to heed Marethari's advice in making him tranquil or surrender him to the Dalish where he'll eventually leave for Tevinter, which I would guess is where they're heading off in DA3, considering that there's a mage insurrection happening and I'm convinced the country won't stay out of it. In addition, DA2 suggests that he's immensely powerful and needs to be properly trained for it. Perhaps, he will become a Tevinter magister himself?

[Foolsfolly]

Honestly, I think the game was designed in such a way that your choices don't matter for DA3.

There's really not that many choices throughout the game and if anything imports it will largely end up as cameos. Oh look it's Bethany instead of Carver, or look Carver's a Warden in this import! Ok, bye characters from last game!

That kind of thing.

And I'm largely fine with that. DA:O left so many possible threads that I didn't think it would be possible to make a sequel that took them all into account, and DA2 doesn't. This ending gives them a clear shot at the next game.

[Esbatty]

Companion/relationship flags will probably carry over. Actually I really hope so, since Hawke's story is more reactive than the more proactive Blight-centric of the Warden's, its the little things I hope come forward for Hawke.

[Pandaman102]

Why should relationship flags carry over? DA hasn't established itself as a franchise that has a singular main character that carries over from game to game, so there's nothing to suggest that Hawke will show up in anything after DA2 aside from the inevitable expansion pack.

And does it really matter what carries over? Like DA:O's decisions they won't amount to anymore more than some stray lines from NPCs and possibly a cameo or two.

[Foolsfolly]

@ Esbatty.

Assumes Hawke is Commander Shepard and the series will focus on one protagonist.[/Mordin]

I see no evidence of that. I actually think we're getting a new Protag for the next game and I eagerly look forward to it. Shepard's Shepard. I can't think of playing as anyone else in the Mass Effect universe.

But frankly, I can see playing as someone else in the Dragon Age world.

[Esbatty]

Well it doesn't hurt for them to use Hawke again at some point. Flags from DAO + some of the DLC carried over but had no impact on DA2. It leaves BW's options open. I'm not saying I want to see Hawke again in DA3, nor the Warden, I just want to know what the hell is going on with Flemeth and Morrigan.

[Foolsfolly]

Oh, I do too! The game doesn't even want to explain anything it's too busy setting up a more interesting story for another game than telling an interesting story for this game.

But I doubt we'll play as Hawke again, I know I don't want to. And what would be the point of importing how the companions felt about Hawke in another game?

[BubbleDncr]

I think some relationship flags will carry over - I mean, people who married Alistair were mentioned as being his wife in DA2. It will probably mostly just be however you love interest was will be mentioned as disappearing with you.

I also think Isabella will be back, no matter what. My evil Hawke turned her over to the Qunari, and she was yelling about how I haven't heard the last of her. Granted, I haven't finished Act 3 yet, Varric said they didn't see her again, so if she's gonna follow through on that threat, she must be coming back for Hawke in DA3.

So that may just be an instance of whether an encounter with her is a pleasant reunion or a duel.

[Bayz]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Wait... what? You can actually side with Petrice? Really?

Also, if the current Arishok was killed, I wouldn't be surprised to see a certain Sten taking his place.

Hmmm that would involve promotion. Promotion is agaisnt the Qun isn't it?

[efrgfhnm_]

Bayz wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Wait... what? You can actually side with Petrice? Really?

Also, if the current Arishok was killed, I wouldn't be surprised to see a certain Sten taking his place.

Hmmm that would involve promotion. Promotion is agaisnt the Qun isn't it?

Really? It seems weird to imagine a people like the Qun not putting the most loyal and strongest in the positon of Arishok

[BubbleDncr]

efrgfhnm wrote...

Bayz wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Wait... what? You can actually side with Petrice? Really?

Also, if the current Arishok was killed, I wouldn't be surprised to see a certain Sten taking his place.

Hmmm that would involve promotion. Promotion is agaisnt the Qun isn't it?

Really? It seems weird to imagine a people like the Qun not putting the most loyal and strongest in the positon of Arishok

Is Sten one of the most loyal and strongest? I mean, he did go hand out with some humans, elves, and dwarves for a year..

[MadMoskus]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Also, if the current Arishok was killed, I wouldn't be surprised to see a certain Sten taking his place.

This. Haven't thought of it before, but it sounds just perfect

[MICHELLE7]

Okay, this game has got so many different ways to do things that my head is spinning. I kept wondering if there was a way to side with Petrice.

[Another_Golden_Dragon]

I wanted to kill Petrice from the very FIRST time I met her.

[LobselVith8]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Honestly, I think the game was designed in such a way that your choices don't matter for DA3.

There's really not that many choices throughout the game and if anything imports it will largely end up as cameos. Oh look it's Bethany instead of Carver, or look Carver's a Warden in this import! Ok, bye characters from last game!

I agree. I don't think many things will be imported from DA2, and I think it's unfortunate. One of the hallmarks of continuing the story from DA:O was the idea that we were shaping the world around us, and that seems to have been stripped from us with the inability to change the major events around us.

[BubbleDncr]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

Honestly, I think the game was designed in such a way that your choices don't matter for DA3.

There's really not that many choices throughout the game and if anything imports it will largely end up as cameos. Oh look it's Bethany instead of Carver, or look Carver's a Warden in this import! Ok, bye characters from last game!

I agree. I don't think many things will be imported from DA2, and I think it's unfortunate. One of the hallmarks of continuing the story from DA:O was the idea that we were shaping the world around us, and that seems to have been stripped from us with the inability to change the major events around us.

I dunno. I think some of the things I mentioned as being importable won't really have a huge effect on things - for instance, there will still be a schism, you just may or may not run into Sister Petrice. Probably on a level similar level to running into Nathan in the deep roads. And if you run into the Qunari again, the arishok will be the same, or a new one, and it will really just effect how the Qunari deal with you - maybe similar to how dialog is slightly different in origins when you go to Orzamar or the Dalish camp, if those were your Origins.

I don't expect these things to be huge, game-altering things. Just flavor things. I just wanted to see what other people thought might be good ones, since I personally don't think any of those random mages will come back or something.

Whether or not you sided let Torpor take possession of that mage, for instance, may be another one. People who did may just get an extra quest to go kill him.

[Icy Magebane]

I'm not wiling to speculate on anything at this point. Any decision can and will be retconned if the writers deem it necessary. That's the only thing of which I'm certain.

I see that Topor was mentioned.... well okay... DA:O let you free the demon in Asunder or let the cultist live after defiling the Urn of Sacred Ashes. This never mattered in DA2. No powered up demonic boss or special "Andraste" High Dragon to defeat... I'm not saying it's impossible, just don't hold your breath.  What about Connor Eamon?  He might be possessed or he might be dead, or he might be living in the Circle.  It seemed like a big decision at the time, yet it meant nothing in retrospect.  If they take DA3 to yet another location, you probably won't hear about him there either.  The same goes for Topor and Feynriel... I just don't have a lot of faith in that kind of dedication to representing our decisions.

I also agree with those who said that this game was designed so that they wouldn't have to deal with a bunch of variables in subsequent titles. I think that's the smartest way to approach this series. It's better than negating the choices of players because Bioware is either unwilling or unable to follow through.

And finally... the cameos are nice. I'm not really complaining about the quality of import decisions in DA2, I'm just trying to say that people shouldn't expect much, and that they should be prepared when their choices are inevitably undone for the sake of the story the writers wish to tell.

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 02 avril 2011 - 02:18 .