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[armass]

Hmm Those skeletons might be true then again this might explain the whole thing also:



Who knows...

Modifié par armass, 01 avril 2011 - 08:36 .

[Pwener2313]

armass wrote...

Hmm Those skeletons might be true then again this might explain the whole thing also:

Wow, I just googled that. Thanks for wasting 10 seconds of my life.

[himmelgeher]

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

himmelgeher wrote...

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

Hopefully in our current state as humanity we never encounter an advanced alien civilization. I'd be so embarassed to say I'm a part of this species, given the state of the world right now.

Oh, like they'd be so perfect.

If an advanced species had the capability to travel here and find us, that means their technology level >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ours.  That means they didn't kill themselves off in war or with the discovery of nuclear power.  They learned how to advanced as a society to reach such a technological plateau, which implies mutual cooperation among all factions/countries/whatever divisions they have, something we as humans are nowhere near.

That means socially and technologically, yes, they are nearly "perfect" when compared to us. 

My point was that they'd likely have gone through a simalar process in their own development as a species. Sure, the Europeans treated Native Americans badly when they discovered the new world, but I like to think we've grown since then. Would an enlightened interstellar species really be so quick to dismiss us without taking their own history into account?

[Pwener2313]

himmelgeher wrote...

Would an enlightened interstellar species really be so quick to dismiss us without taking their own history into account?

If they're anything like us, then yes, they would.

[Praetor Knight]

Anyone ever hear of Puma Punku?

There is interesting architecture there that is tough to explain how it was made.




Edit: and the ones at Yonaguni Jima

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 01 avril 2011 - 08:43 .

[SomeKindaEnigma]

himmelgeher wrote...

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

himmelgeher wrote...

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

Hopefully in our current state as humanity we never encounter an advanced alien civilization. I'd be so embarassed to say I'm a part of this species, given the state of the world right now.

Oh, like they'd be so perfect.

If an advanced species had the capability to travel here and find us, that means their technology level >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ours.  That means they didn't kill themselves off in war or with the discovery of nuclear power.  They learned how to advanced as a society to reach such a technological plateau, which implies mutual cooperation among all factions/countries/whatever divisions they have, something we as humans are nowhere near.

That means socially and technologically, yes, they are nearly "perfect" when compared to us. 

My point was that they'd likely have gone through a simalar process in their own development as a species. Sure, the Europeans treated Native Americans badly when they discovered the new world, but I like to think we've grown since then. Would an enlightened interstellar species really be so quick to dismiss us without taking their own history into account?

Sure they possibly went through a similar process as we are going through currently, but there is no way to know that with 100% certainty.  It's possible they never had such conflict.  I never said they would dismiss us, I only said that by comparison, they would be the ideal species between us and them.  If they experienced conflict similar to us, we could perhaps learn from them how they overcame it and advanced forward as a species.  But given the extremism of many of today's societies, I just don't see the world coming together like that, at least any time soon.

[habitat 67]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

habitat 67 wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...
I said greatest loss because many of the texts from that Library have been theorized to be technological in nature with many from Egypt's past. And if you look at the Antikythera Mechanism and other strange artifacts from Egypt, then who knows what else could have been there.

Well, most of Europe did not factor into what was stored at the Library, and Western Civ came more from Greece then Rome, than from Egypt. And then there was Archimedes over in Syracuse too who was a mad scientist for his time.

Look what got lost in the mix?
This is fascinating, and something I've never before known about. Looks like the insides of an ancient clock tower.

There is other neat stuff I've come across, but the key is validating the findings. Nevertheless, I like potential of the Baghdad Battery

I love the Bagdad battery. Something so interesting and then overwhelming consensus is that it definitely did exist.

[Pwener2313]

What could have they usd the battery for? It's a battery, okay, but what did it power?

[Fiery Phoenix]

For the original topic, I'll just leave this here:

Fermi Paradox

[himmelgeher]

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...
Sure they possibly went through a similar process as we are going through currently, but there is no way to know that with 100% certainty.  It's possible they never had such conflict.  I never said they would dismiss us, I only said that by comparison, they would be the ideal species between us and them.  If they experienced conflict similar to us, we could perhaps learn from them how they overcame it and advanced forward as a species.  But given the extremism of many of today's societies, I just don't see the world coming together like that, at least any time soon.

Not with 100% certainty, no. Conflict is the source of most of our technology though. Think about how many things wouldn't have been created or developed if it weren't for war throughout human history. Like it or not, conflict is a necessary evil for societies to grow. I suggest reading a book by Rober Wright called Nonzero: The Logic of Human Destiny. I don't agree with everything he says, but it presents this specific argument better than I can.

[himmelgeher]

Pwener2313 wrote...

What could have they usd the battery for? It's a battery, okay, but what did it power?

Literally nothing. It's to weak to power anything but electroplating.

[Pwener2313]

himmelgeher wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

What could have they usd the battery for? It's a battery, okay, but what did it power?

Literally nothing. It's to weak to power anything but electroplating.

Then why the hell bother to make it? We Humans are a crazy bunch.....

[Praetor Knight]

Pwener2313 wrote...

What could have they usd the battery for? It's a battery, okay, but what did it power?

Some theories point to electroplating ceremonial items, others point to ancient light bulbs to light temples/ancient research labs.

The idea is that since there was often poor ventilation, using the bulb would have been better than torches, lamps or lanterns.

And there at least is evidence that glass was made and used in ancient Egypt: http://chemistry.boi...ing_history.htm

[DustxParticle]

This chap is 'very' interested in coming to our backwater planet.

[Praetor Knight]

DustxParticle wrote...

This chap is 'very' interested in coming to our backwater planet.

Maybe that's who the reapers are saving us from

[AdmiralCheez]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

For the original topic, I'll just leave this here:

Fermi Paradox

Damn it, universe, stop being so damn big; stuff's too far apart for us to realistically explore anything!

[Pwener2313]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Maybe that's who the reapers are saving us from

I hope to God Bioware doesn't see what you wrote. Knowing them.......

[Fiery Phoenix]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

For the original topic, I'll just leave this here:

Fermi Paradox

Damn it, universe, stop being so damn big; stuff's too far apart for us to realistically explore anything!

If there is any explanation as to why we haven't made contact yet or if we ever will, it is buried within the sea of ideas proposed by the Fermi Paradox.

Plus, it's raining on Titan. 

[Kreid]

Well, the elements of our universe are the same throughout the whole galaxy, any advances species would have to pass the "uranium barrier" (that is, not annihilating themselves using nuclear energy) in order to prosper and get into the stars.
Could we learn a lot from this species? undoubtedly, they'd be MUCH more advanced than us not only technologically but also morally and socially, however a species as advanced as that would probably either ignore or avoid us since they wouldn't want anything from us and possibly would like us to develop independently, if they want something about us however...well, bad thing I guess, after all evolution usually favor predator species.

[AdmiralCheez]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

If there is any explanation as to why we haven't made contact yet or if we ever will, it is buried within the sea of ideas proposed by the Fermi Paradox.

Plus, it's raining on Titan. 

Yeah.  I don't think we're ever going to make contact, really.  If there really are others civilizations out there and not just dead rocks or bacteria.  Oh well.

ZOMG TITAN'S WEATHER PATTERNS THIS IS A MUST-READ.

[Pwener2313]

Yeah, Im actually more skeptical then Cheez at this point. Man, you people are damn persuasive, you should all be pushing the council other then Shepard and his crazy defense techniques "THE VISIONS!".

[Fiery Phoenix]

Let's fly to Mars and look for mass effect, shall we, Pwener?

[DustxParticle]

Calling it, Reapers were trying to build their own Galactus in ME2, just as TIM will try building his own Reaper in ME3.

A macabre resemblance to the quarian story, a race tried to defeat Galactus after he grew sentience and started wigging out but when they failed, they constructed reapers and fled from their now consumed homeworld, but time is running out, systems are running out of fuel, they need to harvest before Galactus reaches the milky way and destroys the reapers resources, otherwise 'everyone' and 'everything' will cease to exist.

Reaper mentality on galactic genocide - "Better them than us right?"

Modifié par DustxParticle, 01 avril 2011 - 09:33 .

[Kreid]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
Yeah.  I don't think we're ever going to make contact, really.  If there really are others civilizations out there and not just dead rocks or bacteria.  Oh well.

The sheer size of the universe makes it expremely unlikely for us to be the only sapient civilization, even in our own galaxy, the real question is wheter either us or the aliens will last long enough to make contact with each other.

[Praetor Knight]

Considering Earth's location in the Universe, actual contact is very unlikely. But humans sure can build stuff to last