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[ADelusiveMan]

Mynoot wrote...

ADelusiveMan wrote...

Junker4ce wrote...

While I hate to bring up a notion brought up in a completely different topic, it has never been actually proven that faster then light travel is possible.
I have no doubt that there are other alien lifeforms living in our galaxy, but because of physics, we may never be able to reach each other.

The flaw in your logic is this - you assume that because we are incapable means other species are as well.

Now I'm not saying FTL exists or that it doesn't. I'm simply saying at this point in human history we simply do not have the knowledge or means to say either way.

Any race capable of surviving the stress they put on their own world would likely have no sympathy for us. They would expect us to prove we are worthy of survival and space travel/colonization.

That's probably true. But that literally has nothing to do with what I said.

[Naltair]

I won't disagree that there life is out there in the Universe, the trick is finding it and proving it is there.

[Tazzmission]

Lukertin wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
i can also show you a ufo in a painting was jesus was crusified that was found in a monistary in england

A medieval era painting of an event that alledgedly occured 15 centuries before said painting was made is evidence of alien life.  Ridiculous.  Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is?  Why didn't a single Greek or Roman historian write about UFOs if they were supposedly so commonplace during that time?  People during that era of time were very sophisticated, their knowledge of science & technology was on par with and in areas, exceeded that of, 17th century Europe.  The idea that not a single one of them knew enough about aliens to write about them while a painter who didn't even live during that era of time did is the stupidest suggestion I have ever heard anyone make.

look at sumarian history...... hell look at egytian history.... explain how the hindu bible describes metalic cities hovering in the air and fighting one another? im giving you proof and yet you refuse to except it. do you really believe people at that time would know what an alien is? how do you know that those aliens they saw is what they thought were gods based on what they saw? what if the image of angels is there way of describing these beings floating down the sky? what if the wings alone tell that? we have yet to uncover any angel fossils.

Modifié par Tazzmission, 01 avril 2011 - 06:05 .

[armass]

Tazzmission wrote...

this is a video of us airforce, army and scientists that are pushing for full disclosure. listen to what they say and see where we are now....

Ive seen this, and ive got to say it's hard to believe all these people would just lie.

Modifié par armass, 01 avril 2011 - 06:04 .

[Naltair]

Tazzmission wrote...
look at sumarian history...... hell look at egytian history.... explain how the hindu bible describes metalic cities hovering in the air and fighting one another? im giving you proof and yet you refuse to except it

Because it is too far fetched to beleive that humans can't come up with crazy stories all on thier own?

[Fusiox]

Perhaps we are so-called "Prometheans" in universe--specifically, perhaps humans are ultra-advanced, technologically-unparalleled race in all existence. Would explain much. Perhaps not. Will run tests.

Man, it feels good to talk like Mordin

In any case, I love the idea of other races, but unfortunately, such a meeting cannot be reasonably predicted with our woefully-inadequeate resources. It's one of those things that may happen, or will not. And while I enjoy entertaining the notion of intelligent life co-existing in this universe, I am sad to say it doesn't look likely we'll see them in this lifetime.

Naltair wrote...

I won't say it will never occur, chances are we will run into simpler organisms first in our own solar system long before we meet advanced intelligent life.

I agree completely. There is an equal chance we'll be the fabled "alien invaders" as us being subject to exocolonization by other intelligent species (exocolonization doesn't exist, but it sure sounds cool and professional )

I also agree completely with your sig. Tali FTW. Miranda's pretty nice, I like Liara (Jack creeps me out completely), but Tali's got a personality that's fresh, not femme-fetale (although, I admit, Liara's not a bad choice, if someone's not comfortable with the "faceless" quality of Tali--although that quality's what really draws me to Tali, apart from her hard-to-marginalize mannerisms).

Too bad, in the real world, aliens have just as much a chance, if not more, to develop other body structures. They don't neccessarily have to be bipedal, two-arms and two-legs, and they most likely have different reproduction organs and methods than humans do. Lots of people would enjoy getting their groove on with a smoking-hot alien (more people than they care to admit), but it's just not very probable, considering their own circumstances.

And that, my friends, is my two cents. Or should I say, twenty redundant rant dollars

Modifié par Fusiox, 01 avril 2011 - 06:08 .

[Tazzmission]

armass wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

this is a video of us airforce, army and scientists that are pushing for full disclosure. listen to what they say and see where we are now....

Ive seen this, and ive got to say it's hard to believe all these people would just lie.

i know right? if this topic was such a huge fabrication why hasnt any president for that matter used it to gain a vote? heck even ronald regan reported a ufo sighning and gave a speech to the un in the 80's

[Lukertin]

Tazzmission wrote...
look at sumarian history...... hell look at egytian history.... explain how the hindu bible describes metalic cities hovering in the air and fighting one another? im giving you proof and yet you refuse to except it

Explain how fairy tales are proof that aliens visited Earth.

[ADelusiveMan]

Lukertin wrote...

A medieval era painting of an event that alledgedly occured 15 centuries before said painting was made is evidence of alien life.  Ridiculous.  Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is?  Why didn't a single Greek or Roman historian write about UFOs if they were supposedly so commonplace during that time?

Are you honestly saying that the gods of Greek and Roman mythology were created right off the tops of their heads? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

Modifié par ADelusiveMan, 01 avril 2011 - 06:08 .

[Tazzmission]

Naltair wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
look at sumarian history...... hell look at egytian history.... explain how the hindu bible describes metalic cities hovering in the air and fighting one another? im giving you proof and yet you refuse to except it

Because it is too far fetched to beleive that humans can't come up with crazy stories all on thier own?

ask yourself this... do you really believe the egyptians built the pyramids by themselves without some form of help from a higher power? this is what ancient alien theory trys to explain. it tries to explain on how such people came up with an idea to build what they built. im not saying there dumb or arent smart but how do you build something without some form of guidance?

[Naltair]

ADelusiveMan wrote...

Lukertin wrote...

A medieval era painting of an event that alledgedly occured 15 centuries before said painting was made is evidence of alien life.  Ridiculous.  Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is?  Why didn't a single Greek or Roman historian write about UFOs if they were supposedly so commonplace during that time?

Are you honestly saying that the gods of Greek and Roman mythology were created right off the tops of their heads? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

It sounds like what humans have been doing since the beginning of time trying to figure things out using the knowledge they have at hand.

[ADelusiveMan]

Lukertin wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
look at sumarian history...... hell look at egytian history.... explain how the hindu bible describes metalic cities hovering in the air and fighting one another? im giving you proof and yet you refuse to except it

Explain how fairy tales are proof that aliens visited Earth.

Here is a fairy tale for you.

Even with today's technology, we are incapable of recreating the pyramids. Do you honestly believe that people less advanced than we are today were capable of doing this?

[Naltair]

Tazzmission wrote...

Naltair wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
look at sumarian history...... hell look at egytian history.... explain how the hindu bible describes metalic cities hovering in the air and fighting one another? im giving you proof and yet you refuse to except it

Because it is too far fetched to beleive that humans can't come up with crazy stories all on thier own?

ask yourself this... do you really believe the egyptians built the pyramids by themselves without some form of help from a higher power? this is what ancient alien theory trys to explain. it tries to explain on how such people came up with an idea to build what they built. im not saying there dumb or arent smart but how do you build something without some form of guidance?

Actually yes I do beleive they built them all by themselves and there is plenty of documentation to show that they did.  Ancient man was just as smart as we are today, he just lakced the knowledge we have, but they had surplus labor which can make up for machinery any day.

[Lukertin]

ADelusiveMan wrote...

Lukertin wrote...

A medieval era painting of an event that alledgedly occured 15 centuries before said painting was made is evidence of alien life.  Ridiculous.  Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is?  Why didn't a single Greek or Roman historian write about UFOs if they were supposedly so commonplace during that time?

Are you honestly saying that the gods of Greek and Roman mythology were created right off the tops of their heads? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

They were.  Greek mythology is based off generational conflict and the invading northern patriarchal societies that took over the southern matriarchal societies living there at the time.  Why would aliens want cow and goat blood, anyway?  Why would aliens impart their knowledge of how the world works to bird entrails?

The Romans worshipped their ancestors and nature spirits, when they met the Greeks they adopted the Greek religion.  By the time of Socrates (Around the time the Greeks began recording their own history, e.g., Herodotus, Thucydides) atheism was already a growing fad.

[Junker4ce]

Tazzmission wrote...

Lukertin wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
i can also show you a ufo in a painting was jesus was crusified that was found in a monistary in england

A medieval era painting of an event that alledgedly occured 15 centuries before said painting was made is evidence of alien life.  Ridiculous.  Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is?  Why didn't a single Greek or Roman historian write about UFOs if they were supposedly so commonplace during that time?  People during that era of time were very sophisticated, their knowledge of science & technology was on par with and in areas, exceeded that of, 17th century Europe.  The idea that not a single one of them knew enough about aliens to write about them while a painter who didn't even live during that era of time did is the stupidest suggestion I have ever heard anyone make.

look at sumarian history...... hell look at egytian history.... explain how the hindu bible describes metalic cities hovering in the air and fighting one another? im giving you proof and yet you refuse to except it. do you really believe people at that time would know what an alien is? how do you know that those aliens they saw is what they thought were gods based on what they saw? what if the image of angels is there way of describing these beings floating down the sky? what if the wings alone tell that? we have yet to uncover any angel fossils.

But what your saying is 'proof' are stories written in books. By that logic, everything written in the bible and every other religious text would have to be true. Which means the earth was created in 7 days etc. 

And your not giving the Hindu, Egyptians and Catholics much credit. Who's to say they didn't have awesome imaginations back then? I know i'd be bored out of my mind with the stuff they had available to do in their free time.

[Naltair]

Wrong we could easily build a pyramid today, pyramids were done in stages did you know they actually made some that collapsed. They didn't start making the great Pyramids it was an evolution from step pyramid to the ones they created at Giza and then abandoned because they were monstrously expensive and also told everyone where you buried the riches.

[Mynoot]

Are you honestly saying that the gods of Greek and Roman mythology were created right off the tops of their heads? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

I don't know of a single human culture that does not believe in some form of god or afterlife. The concept goes back even before the greeks and romans.  The Celtics are one of the earliest.

It's not unreasonable to want to believe that life does not simply end and to give comfort knowing all that lives will eventually die, they invent gods and afterlifes.

Modifié par Mynoot, 01 avril 2011 - 06:14 .

[Lukertin]

ADelusiveMan wrote...
Even with today's technology, we are incapable of recreating the pyramids. Do you honestly believe that people less advanced than we are today were capable of doing this?

False.  Of course we are capable of recreating the pyramids.  To think that humans can build submarines, send men to the moon, build skyscrapers while being incapable of remaking pyramids is a fruitless thought experiment.  Baseless statement with zero proof.

[Tazzmission]

Lukertin wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
look at sumarian history...... hell look at egytian history.... explain how the hindu bible describes metalic cities hovering in the air and fighting one another? im giving you proof and yet you refuse to except it

Explain how fairy tales are proof that aliens visited Earth.

when people hear aliens from space they think war of the worlds but i look at it like what if those beings came here and helped humans advice in life? can you say when cavemen were around they had a math system like the sumerians? or heck look at the mayans why were they so obsessed with keeping track of time and the stars? theres an african tribe in africa that spoke on star people who came to earth. explain how many cultures say the same thing when they never crossed paths with one another

[ADelusiveMan]

Mynoot wrote...

Are you honestly saying that the gods of Greek and Roman mythology were created right off the tops of their heads? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

I don't know of a single human culture that does not believe in some form of god or afterlife. The concept goes back even before the greeks and romans.  The Celtics are one of the earliest.

You dodged the question - I never said someone does not believe in God, gods, godesses, afterlife, etc. I simply question whether the gods of Greek and Roman mythology were created off the tops of their heads.

[Naltair]

So basically you buy into the ancient astronaut theory.

[Mynoot]

ADelusiveMan wrote...

Mynoot wrote...

Are you honestly saying that the gods of Greek and Roman mythology were created right off the tops of their heads? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

I don't know of a single human culture that does not believe in some form of god or afterlife. The concept goes back even before the greeks and romans.  The Celtics are one of the earliest.

You dodged the question - I never said someone does not believe in God, gods, godesses, afterlife, etc. I simply question whether the gods of Greek and Roman mythology were created off the tops of their heads.

It's not dodging the question. It's giving a reason for the invention.

[Fusiox]

Woah. WOAH. Calm down, everybody. This topic is going NOVA. I've never seen so many posts, so quickly.

Nah, just kidding. Debate away!

[Tazzmission]

Lukertin wrote...

ADelusiveMan wrote...
Even with today's technology, we are incapable of recreating the pyramids. Do you honestly believe that people less advanced than we are today were capable of doing this?

False.  Of course we are capable of recreating the pyramids.  To think that humans can build submarines, send men to the moon, build skyscrapers while being incapable of remaking pyramids is a fruitless thought experiment.  Baseless statement with zero proof.

the world trade center was completed after 30 years


the pyramids were finished within 20 years. whats the excuse in the 10 year gap?

[Naltair]

ADelusiveMan wrote...

Mynoot wrote...

Are you honestly saying that the gods of Greek and Roman mythology were created right off the tops of their heads? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

I don't know of a single human culture that does not believe in some form of god or afterlife. The concept goes back even before the greeks and romans.  The Celtics are one of the earliest.

You dodged the question - I never said someone does not believe in God, gods, godesses, afterlife, etc. I simply question whether the gods of Greek and Roman mythology were created off the tops of their heads.

In a manner of speaking they were, they gave names to forces/ideas/phenomena they did not understand.  Then they personified them as human beings... then over time the oral traditions started to solidify into the Gods we know today.