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[Junker4ce]

Tazzmission wrote...


explain the starchild skull then.

Don't need to. What are the chances that a alien life form actually has DNA to analyze in the first place?

[Tazzmission]

armass wrote...

let's try to get back to the subject, were talking about possible alien encounters in the future here, not the past.

the past involves the future. how can it not?

[Lukertin]

Tazzmission wrote...
heres a episode of ufo hunters and they did a dna test on the starchild skull. the mother is human but the father is unknown. this episode is great because they get a guy to try to recreate the actuall face structure

Impossible to differentiate parental DNA from single child DNA.  Can only analyze maternal DNA if mitochondrial DNA is recoverable.  Identification of paternal DNA nonexistent unless child is male.  Bad science.

[habitat 67]

The plates in an infant's skull are not fused therefore skull malformations can occur in ways that would be impossible for adult skulls.
Again, Hydroencephalytis.

[Tazzmission]

Junker4ce wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...


explain the starchild skull then.

Don't need to. What are the chances that a alien life form actually has DNA to analyze in the first place?

then keep your mouth shut. if you chose not to try and watch what i have posted that imo you should not have a option. either you will or wont so dont act like you have every answer

[ADelusiveMan]

armass wrote...

let's try to get back to the subject, were talking about possible alien encounters in the future here, not the past.

Alright then...

When first contact happens, we either get this:



or this





You pick.

Modifié par ADelusiveMan, 01 avril 2011 - 06:29 .

[ADelusiveMan]

Tazzmission wrote...

ADelusiveMan wrote...

Naltair wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

explain the starchild skull then.

I would try if I knew what the hell that is?

Here's the wikipedia page about it Starchild skull

Given that link is to wikipedia, it might be better to just check it out on google.

or they could watch the video i posted.

Or that.

[Tazzmission]

ADelusiveMan wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

ADelusiveMan wrote...

Naltair wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

explain the starchild skull then.

I would try if I knew what the hell that is?

Here's the wikipedia page about it Starchild skull

Given that link is to wikipedia, it might be better to just check it out on google.

or they could watch the video i posted.

Or that.

Junker4ce  wont watch the video because apparently he knows every answer there is to the subject. guys a p*ssy if you ask me. he asks for proof i gave it to him and he says oh i dont need to watch the vid. serously if people ask for proof and get it than flipflop like that than that gos to show that there mind is already made up by refuting it. people like him is why real full disclosure will never happen because he cant handle the truth

Modifié par Tazzmission, 01 avril 2011 - 06:34 .

[Naltair]

My biggest issue with the ancient astronaut theory is that it devalues ancient man's achievements and paints ancient civilizations as incapable of any achievements and obviously we needed help to do anything significant. That to me is insulting. Especially since it is often directed at societies that are not based in European based... Stone Henge withstanding.

I firmly believe that ancient man was quite capable and intelligent.

[habitat 67]

100k wrote...
But what about a jellyfish like race, without eyes or ears? They might "see" the world via the absorbing of sound waves, like echo location. Their evolution may depend entirely on more vegetarian traits, starting with them eating plants and allege, and eventually eating larger plants with more nutrients. The entire mannerisms of a race like that starts out with what they eat. In a world with no natural predators, and no lack of resources (like an ocean world), this race of jellyfish would have no reason to suspect humanity, should they locate us, as being anything other than friendly.

These exist on Earth as we speak. Some of them are bioluminescent, and they communicate in ways we are just now discovering. They do have a tendency towards cannabalism though.

[habitat 67]

Naltair wrote...

My biggest issue with the ancient astronaut theory is that it devalues ancient man's achievements and paints ancient civilizations as incapable of any achievements and obviously we needed help to do anything significant. That to me is insulting. Especially since it is often directed at societies that are not based in European based... Stone Henge withstanding.

I firmly believe that ancient man was quite capable and intelligent.

Think of the Aqueducts.

[Tazzmission]

Naltair wrote...

My biggest issue with the ancient astronaut theory is that it devalues ancient man's achievements and paints ancient civilizations as incapable of any achievements and obviously we needed help to do anything significant. That to me is insulting. Especially since it is often directed at societies that are not based in European based... Stone Henge withstanding.

I firmly believe that ancient man was quite capable and intelligent.

um the author even said he dosent consider them non smart. he said they got the idea from the et's but it was the humans who did the building

[Junker4ce]

Tazzmission wrote...

Junker4ce wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...


explain the starchild skull then.

Don't need to. What are the chances that a alien life form actually has DNA to analyze in the first place?

then keep your mouth shut. if you chose not to try and watch what i have posted that imo you should not have a option. either you will or wont so dont act like you have every answer

What did I say wrong? It's basically a statistical impossiblity that life not from this planet would form from DNA. And yet the 'proof' given is that the DNA structure is abnormal. And please don't get started on how an alien could mate with a human to produce offspring.

[Naltair]

Tazzmission wrote...

Naltair wrote...

My biggest issue with the ancient astronaut theory is that it devalues ancient man's achievements and paints ancient civilizations as incapable of any achievements and obviously we needed help to do anything significant. That to me is insulting. Especially since it is often directed at societies that are not based in European based... Stone Henge withstanding.

I firmly believe that ancient man was quite capable and intelligent.

um the author even said he dosent consider them non smart. he said they got the idea from the et's but it was the humans who did the building

But that is my point, the implication that the knowledge came from elsewhere is the sticking point.  When all "mainstream" evidence seems to point to the ingenuity of man.

[Tazzmission]

Junker4ce wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Junker4ce wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...


explain the starchild skull then.

Don't need to. What are the chances that a alien life form actually has DNA to analyze in the first place?

then keep your mouth shut. if you chose not to try and watch what i have posted that imo you should not have a option. either you will or wont so dont act like you have every answer

What did I say wrong? It's basically a statistical impossiblity that life not from this planet would form from DNA. And yet the 'proof' given is that the DNA structure is abnormal. And please don't get started on how an alien could mate with a human to produce offspring.

you do realise thats another theory in this debate right? ask yourself this if you read the story of the virgin marry how does a virgin get knocked up without any form of sexual intercourse? what are the chances that a embryo was implanted in her? you may think thats way out there or nutty but think in todays era we got women who do in fact do that. heck what if noahs ark was a dna cloning facilty wwhen he (( supposedly)) traveld around the world for every animal?

[Naltair]

Or religious stories are allegory and retelling of other tales.

[Junker4ce]

Tazzmission wrote...


Junker4ce  wont watch the video because apparently he knows every answer there is to the subject. guys a p*ssy if you ask me. he asks for proof i gave it to him and he says oh i dont need to watch the vid. serously if people ask for proof and get it than flipflop like that than that gos to show that there mind is already made up by refuting it. people like him is why real full disclosure will never happen because he cant handle the truth

Btw, I was in the process of posting as you brought up the link. I never said I wouldn't watch a video. How come ou haven't answered any of my questions? 

[Tazzmission]

Naltair wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Naltair wrote...

My biggest issue with the ancient astronaut theory is that it devalues ancient man's achievements and paints ancient civilizations as incapable of any achievements and obviously we needed help to do anything significant. That to me is insulting. Especially since it is often directed at societies that are not based in European based... Stone Henge withstanding.

I firmly believe that ancient man was quite capable and intelligent.

um the author even said he dosent consider them non smart. he said they got the idea from the et's but it was the humans who did the building

But that is my point, the implication that the knowledge came from elsewhere is the sticking point.  When all "mainstream" evidence seems to point to the ingenuity of man.

so your saying if someone is lets say from a tribal region  that has no knowledge of building or even writting do you actually believe they can just wake up one day and go hey im gona make a line or build a structure? and i wanna make the tribal thing clear when i say tribal im talking people who have no idea what a flashlight is or what a tv set is. if i were to go to some newley discovered island and find people there what are the chances they may think im god based on what i know when it comes to lights? can you honestly say when you start a new job you atutomatically know what to do just out of the blue? of course not you would need some form of help

Modifié par Tazzmission, 01 avril 2011 - 06:44 .

[Praetor Knight]

Regarding our attempts to contact intelligent life out in the 'verse, doesn't SETI only track certain radio frequencies? I mean shouldn't we monitor all forms of potential transmissions?

And what if transmissions are being sent, but the signals are encoded or transmitted broad spectrum? One way to thing about broad spectrum is how the Internet compartmentalizes data packets that are disassembled for transmission and then reassembled at its destination.

ADelusiveMan wrote...

Lukertin wrote...

A medieval era painting of an event that alledgedly occured 15 centuries before said painting was made is evidence of alien life.  Ridiculous.  Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is?  Why didn't a single Greek or Roman historian write about UFOs if they were supposedly so commonplace during that time?

Are you honestly saying that the gods of Greek and Roman mythology were created right off the tops of their heads? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

Well we do have comic book Heros like Superman, so looking at the Greek gods, and for that matter other gods, could simply have been tall tales, where retellings magnify the deeds done by the original people as the stories are retold over and over again across generations. I'm thinking of Paul Bunyan here too.

[ADelusiveMan]

Tazzmission wrote...

Junker4ce wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Junker4ce wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...


explain the starchild skull then.

Don't need to. What are the chances that a alien life form actually has DNA to analyze in the first place?

then keep your mouth shut. if you chose not to try and watch what i have posted that imo you should not have a option. either you will or wont so dont act like you have every answer

What did I say wrong? It's basically a statistical impossiblity that life not from this planet would form from DNA. And yet the 'proof' given is that the DNA structure is abnormal. And please don't get started on how an alien could mate with a human to produce offspring.

you do realise thats another theory in this debate right? ask yourself this if you read the story of the virgin marry how does a virgin get knocked up without any form of sexual intercourse? what are the chances that a embryo was implanted in her? you may think thats way out there or nutty but think in todays era we got women who do in fact do that. heck what if noahs ark was a dna cloning facilty wwhen he (( supposedly)) traveld around the world for every animal?

I'm going to break this down into two responses

The Virgin Mary argument makes sense. Especially given what Jesus was said to do later (walk on water, heal the sick, etc).

As for the Noah's Ark thing - not sure I buy it. I'm not even sure I buy the whole 'great flood' story either, at least not in the way the bible describes it.

[himmelgeher]

Tazzmission wrote...
it would prove every religion is false and it would destroy what we know and call science.

Yeah. Like that part in the bible "And God created the Heavens and the Earth. And then never did anything else" and in the Qur'an "And Lo and behold, Allah never created aliens". Oh and the Vedas "No aliens. Ever. Capice?"
Oh wait. None of the major religions have anything at all to say about aliens. Niether does "science" (because it's all just one subject, right? There's no "biology" or "physics" or anything like that, it's just "science"). So that's kind of the worst reasoning ever.

Tazzmission wrote...
i still believe in ancient alien theory. if you dont know what that is
look for a book titled chariotts of the gods. it'll honestly blow your
mind and the book came out in the 70's.

Oh. I get it. You're retarded.

[Tazzmission]

ADelusiveMan wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Junker4ce wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Junker4ce wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...


explain the starchild skull then.

Don't need to. What are the chances that a alien life form actually has DNA to analyze in the first place?

then keep your mouth shut. if you chose not to try and watch what i have posted that imo you should not have a option. either you will or wont so dont act like you have every answer

What did I say wrong? It's basically a statistical impossiblity that life not from this planet would form from DNA. And yet the 'proof' given is that the DNA structure is abnormal. And please don't get started on how an alien could mate with a human to produce offspring.

you do realise thats another theory in this debate right? ask yourself this if you read the story of the virgin marry how does a virgin get knocked up without any form of sexual intercourse? what are the chances that a embryo was implanted in her? you may think thats way out there or nutty but think in todays era we got women who do in fact do that. heck what if noahs ark was a dna cloning facilty wwhen he (( supposedly)) traveld around the world for every animal?

I'm going to break this down into two responses

The Virgin Mary argument makes sense. Especially given what Jesus was said to do later (walk on water, heal the sick, etc).

As for the Noah's Ark thing - not sure I buy it. I'm not even sure I buy the whole 'great flood' story either, at least not in the way the bible describes it.

look at the stories of guys like zeus and thor.... zeus was said to have a palace ontop of a mountain with gold walls and bright lights.... there was even a statment where the palace flew off. also christopher columbus ( man who discovered america) had a ufo encounter wich was discovered in his log book

[Pwener2313]

Dammit, I knew it was a matter of time before something like this happened. Aliens aren't real you fruit loons! Are you people really discussing this? Unbelivable. No, you'll never get to shag with an Asari or any other alien. the only thing out there with life are plants and not the killer type... maybe. Other then that it's just bacteria. People these days.... wtf.

[Naltair]

Tazzmission wrote...

so your saying if someone is lets say from a tribal region  that has no knowledge of building or even writting do you actually believe they can just wake up one day and go hey im gona make a line or build a structure? and i wanna make the tribal thing clear when i say tribal im talking people who have no idea what a flashlight is or what a tv set is. if i were to go to some newley discovered island and find people there what are the chances they may think im god base don what i know when it comes to lights?

Probably not but science and knowledge was not done in a vacuum it took thousands of years for man to domesticate cotton, pigs, rice... etc.  There is a progression that happens and has happened in many places around the globe.  Not every society advanced at an equal rate nor was advancement uniform.  They were responses to change in living conditions, climate, warfare, and societal change.

Human advancement is not a simple light bulb A-HA moment it is a series of  ups and downs over the last 20,000 years.  It's only the last say 200-300 years that we see rapid change, industrialization, and technological advancements.  Up to that point many of the changes were gradual.

[armass]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Regarding our attempts to contact intelligent life out in the 'verse, doesn't SETI only track certain radio frequencies? I mean shouldn't we monitor all forms of potential transmissions?

And what if transmissions are being sent, but the signals are encoded or transmitted broad spectrum? One way to thing about broad spectrum is how the Internet compartmentalizes data packets that are disassembled for transmission and then reassembled at its destination.

it will be intresting to see what, if anything, SETI will ever bring us. I Think the total number of intelligent civilizations in milkyway at this time is about 100-400, this considering it's kinda huge leap to have the right kind of solar system and planet and then have animal species that actually develops sapience, and what are the odd's one of these would be near us(say 50 to 100 ly) and in the same level of technology to receive these signals and send em back. It could also be these signals dissipate in time when travelling through our galaxy, might never even reach our closest neighbours capable of receiving.

Modifié par armass, 01 avril 2011 - 06:54 .