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[jamesp81]

I just don't see it.

Besides, as we all know, being a Reaper puppet is something anyone is subject to. Any species can be indoctrinated.

[darthbuert]

SalsaDMA wrote...

DA:O - Morrighan didn't betray you. If anything, she helped you. Sure, she was to get something herself from the 'transaction', but she didn't betray you. Loghain, in the very beginning of the game, however, DID betray the wardens.

KotOR - Bastilla was brainwashed while in the custody of THE evil sith of the game. She doesn't betray you. She just gets forcibly put on the other side of the conflict of you while you are seperated.

I haven't tried the other games you mentioned, but suffice to say I disagree with the examples listed above.

I fail to understand how you don't see the Bastilla issue as anything but a betrayal. Though I see your point on the Morrigan issue (even if I don't agree) The circumstances of said betrayal are inconsequential; in the end you are forced to make an emotional decision based on her (Bastilla's) actions...kill her, or try to redeem her. Text-book betrayal.

Morrigan is more of a point-of-view issue...I certainly fealt betrayed (and so did my wife when she played). She basically blackmails you. You "must" agree to her terms or she will leave you despite all you have been through together...friend or lover. She knows clearly what's at stake. Her leaving you at this juncture in time is the height of selfishness because you could honestly be killed without her assistance, but she doesn't care. And if you are coerced into agreeing to her terms, she won't even try to explain to you where she is taking your child...As a father myself, I find that a serious betrayal.

Both fall into the criteria of betrayal per the definition provided on dictionary.com

-verb (used with object)
1. to deliver or expose to an enemy by treachery or disloyalty (Bastila did this no matter her reasons)
2. to disappoint the hopes or expectations of; be disloyal to: to betray one's friends.(Morrigan did this)
3. to seduce and desert.

Modifié par darthbuert, 09 mai 2011 - 05:47 .

[Turran]

^ Try and keep this on topic and in the Mass Effect universe? It may be an argument but it's best to keep it on topic.

[darthbuert]

Turran wrote...

^ Try and keep this on topic and in the Mass Effect universe? It may be an argument but it's best to keep it on topic.

No problem...I was merely explaining my case. That was for the benefit of those who may not of understood what I was talking about or what I was saying.

My point is; we are majorly overdue for a massive betrayal within the Mass Effect franchise, if you use the previous Bioware games as a benchmark for their patterns of storytelling. I personally don't see it happening on a large scale as with the species Asari...but there is ample evidence that would certainly support it should they chose to do so.

The Collectors in my opinion are already a species that was used to accomplish that goal. I don't believe that Bioware would chose to use the same plot twist twice in the same series.

I personally believe that the future betrayal (if there is one) will most likely come from a more personal (and less predictable) source such as Liara.

[Destroy Raiden_]

darthbuert wrote...
In short: It would certainly be a major WTF moment if Liara turned out to be the major betrayer in the final chapter. We were promised major twists in ME3 and that would certainly qualify as one.

As far as the Asari being a race used by the Reapers, it's certainly plausible. They have the means to take down a large portion of the galaxy because "all-major species" finds them attractive - which means they have major "pull" in the opinions of the galaxy...just a thought.

In my theory Liara was one of the ones who got away from
indoctrination. What I think is the male and female Asari were one of the
harvested species prior to ME rolling around. The males where disregaurded and the
Asari female became the genetically modified version not to different from what
we see today. It would help to explain why no asari males are around anymore
they were just taken out of the equation. Maybe the males melded and the females
didn’t and once the reapers found this out they experimented and eventually
genetically created an asari girl who could meld and change the perceptions of
other organics of her like we see with the men in Eternity bar.

 
These men a human, solarian, and turian were all watching
the stripper and then one by one they said she looks like my species. Needless
to say the asari were left on the citadel as sleeper agents and via
reproduction some still maintained the sleeper gene while others didn’t when
contact with other species occurred the sleeper gene was taken out of the mix.

 
Though now that you mention it Liara could always be a
sleeper agent it sounds plausible. She’s acting strangely and she doesn’t know
why. That or it could be her Krogan DNA coming out.

 

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 10 mai 2011 - 03:43 .

[darthbuert]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

In my theory Liara was one of the ones who got away from
indoctrination. What I think is the male and female Asari were one of the
harvested species prior to ME rolling around. The males where disregaurded and the
Asari female became the genetically modified version not to different from what
we see today. It would help to explain why no asari males are around anymore
they were just taken out of the equation. Maybe the males melded and the females
didn’t and once the reapers found this out they experimented and eventually
genetically created an asari girl who could meld and change the perceptions of
other organics of her like we see with the men in Eternity bar.

 
These men a human, solarian, and turian were all watching
the stripper and then one by one they said she looks like my species. Needless
to say the asari were left on the citadel as sleeper agents and via
reproduction some still maintained the sleeper gene while others didn’t when
contact with other species occurred the sleeper gene was taken out of the mix.

 
Though now that you mention it Liara could always be a
sleeper agent it sounds plausible. She’s acting strangely and she doesn’t know
why. That or it could be her Krogan DNA coming out.

 

You make an interesting point. I like your theory about possible Asari males in the past. It would explain a lot of questionable variables...Like how the Asari are able to mate with any species of alien no matter what their DNA basis is.

The Reapers are definitely advanced enough to have genetically tampered with (or created/repurposed) a race in such a way as to create these different types of "sleeper-agent" species...the kicker might be...the race in question may not even know that they are future tools (puppets) of the reapers.

Modifié par darthbuert, 10 mai 2011 - 02:49 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

That's what would make this even more interesting if they didn't know they had the gene. I think of the Asari as the flesh cylons they thought they were born somewhere to parents who may/maynot love them they went to school and joined the military but only joining the military was true everything else was a programmed lie by the cylons. When called the flesh cylons who thought their lives were one way started finding themselves in places they didn't know, with loss memory, with loss time, and they were confused and scared for along time until they figured it out and by then it was too late their program went full swing.

I would imagine Asari like an average girl who had the bad gene would be doing her job then her real programming would be switched on a traumatic even for her but for someone like the consort who seems well aware that she is very special may not feel so traumatized but freed she may feel her mind and powers have been extended and she is now able to do things she always thought she wanted to do.

We know for a fact that humans or more specifically cavemen were taken from Earth and experimented on we know the one case we viewed had children after his abduction so if the collectors spliced his DNA and gave him collector genes for instance his children would have them and wouldn't it be weird if the human changed dna erases the reaper dna when combined with asari. In this theory at least the Mars base was well aware of the reapers eating the universe somehow got the dna from one of their indoctrinated slaves and then messed with the primitive humans who they thought had a high probability of being spared during the collection and made it so their dna would destroy or cancel out reaper dna kind of like the keepers who got modified to say no to the reaper signal but genetically speaking.

Unfortunately we've run into no data suggesting Krogan, Salarian, ect had any modifiers done to them other then the genopahge.

[HTTP 404]

What really bothers me about the Asari is that they only recently became a space faring racing in terms of their lifespan.

An asari can live to be 1,000 years old. The last reaper cycle was 50,000. Thats like 500 human years ago for the asari.  The asari only discovered the citadel a little more than 2000 years ago aka 3 generations ago. The asari civilization had to have existed in the last reaper cycle. No specie could have evolved that through few generations.

Maybe someone with a biology background can support my argument here, I feel like Im grasping at straws explaining this....

Modifié par HTTP 404, 16 juin 2011 - 11:21 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

Another odd number is the whole human vs turian war was only 30yrs ago in ME but everybody is expected to be fine from it. China and Japan still hate eachother from WW2 and we still have issues with Cuba for the Cuban missile crisis and Russia we've never declared an end to the cold war and still have all our nukes pointed at each other. Sometimes war wounds never heal.

More on point:

My theory on why the Asari are as old as they are was because the reapers modified them to age slower. We also having the Asari being the 1st people to discover a relay and then find the citadel I don't think that's a coincidence.