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[mx3ze]

hey guys... think about that : the reapers are in fact stupid... if they know Shepard is dangereous, why don't they wait like.. 50 or 100 more years, humans don't have really long lifes, they could just wait he dies and then come...

[Phaedon]

But they think that Shepard is not a serious threat.

[Fixers0]

Phaedon wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
Let's play arrival pre-Suicide mission.

Evident out of what, there was no expostion in the narative about what T-8000 is supposed to do, and even if it was so, i still would't have buyed it without proper explanation on the whole plan, even worse it would basicly make Mass Effect 2 have the exact same plot as its's predecesor,

Even with that aside, it would still not change the fact that the Reapers can just fly to bahak system and then move on to the rest of the galaxy.

"You failed, we will find another way"

Umm okay

Even with that aside, it would still not change the fact that the Reapers can just fly to bahak system and then move on to the rest of the galaxy.

Yeah, the problem is, even with FTL engines, that would take years. There is a reason you can't just fly around unless it's a neighboring system, you know.

Don't get to far offtopic, this is not a discussion about T-8000.

But there is something called the alpha relay,they should have never botherd with sovereign and T-8000 and just fly to bahak while shepard and kenson don't know anything about the Reapers.

And if that isn't good enough you said a few pages back that the Reapers were putting  their lights and the end of ME2 is a sign of them being re-activated, now i will be generous and say that arrival is only for Post-SM, that means that they can fly in a few days from dark space to bahak, but months or years to the rest of the galaxy,

Besides months or years don't mean anything to the Reapers, so they would have just flyed to another cluster an from their move to the rest of the galaxy.

[Phaedon]

Fixers0 wrote...

Don't get to far offtopic, this is not a discussion about T-8000.

So the Human Reaper can only be on-topic when you think that it doesn't make sense?

But there is something called the alpha relay,they should have never botherd with sovereign and T-8000 and just fly to bahak while shepard and kenson don't know anything about the Reapers.

Yeah, the thing is, Alpha Relay, is plan C, and it was evident from the ending of ME2 that it would work that way.
Sovereign, didn't manage to open the Citadel Relay.
The Human Reaper, didn't manage either, and there is no one left to continue the construction of a new Reaper.

Why they didn't go to the Alpha Relay since before ME1? Well, it's simple.
The Citadel Relay could transfer them instantly. From dark space. In a strategic location. And the Citadel Ray is in fact a hub relay, connecting the most important systems together.

The Alpha Relay? They need to travel to it, from dark space, start from a bad tactical position, and be unable to attack all of the important systems at once.

And if that isn't good enough you said a few pages back that the Reapers were putting  their lights and the end of ME2 is a sign of them being re-activated, now i will be generous and say that arrival is only for Post-SM, that means that they can fly in a few days from dark space to bahak, but months or years to the rest of the galaxy,

Canonically, Arrival is set in 2186. The Cerberus Daily news should indicate that, at least.

Besides months or years don't mean anything to the Reapers, so they would have just flyed to another cluster an from their move to the rest of the galaxy.

Yeah. Something that would take years.

Or centuries.

That was the point of Arrival. To slow them down.

[Fixers0]

Phaedon wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Don't get to far offtopic, this is not a discussion about T-8000.

So the Human Reaper can only be on-topic when you think that it doesn't make sense?

No it just has nothing to do with this thread.

But there is something called the alpha relay,they should have never botherd with sovereign and T-8000 and just fly to bahak while shepard and kenson don't know anything about the Reapers.

Yeah, the thing is, Alpha Relay, is plan C, and it was evident from the ending of ME2 that it would work that way.
Sovereign, didn't manage to open the Citadel Relay.
The Human Reaper, didn't manage either, and there is no one left to continue the construction of a new Reaper.

They (the Writers) could just make more Reapers servents , much like the Collectors 

Why they didn't go to the Alpha Relay since before ME1? Well, it's simple.
The Citadel Relay could transfer them instantly. From dark space. In a strategic location. And the Citadel Ray is in fact a hub relay, connecting the most important systems together.

The Alpha Relay? They need to travel to it, from dark space, start from a bad tactical position, and be unable to attack all of the important systems at once.

How is that supposed to be of any relenvance, the Alpha Relay also links to all systems, Time doesn't matter for the Reapers, why do they even need a tacitcal postions? they are so much more powerfull then normal spaceships  they could just shut or the relay's down or open the, as soon as they arrived then send groups of twenty reapers to each homeworld.

And if that isn't good enough you said a few pages back that the Reapers were putting  their lights and the end of ME2 is a sign of them being re-activated, now i will be generous and say that arrival is only for Post-SM, that means that they can fly in a few days from dark space to bahak, but months or years to the rest of the galaxy,

Canonically, Arrival is set in 2186. The Cerberus Daily news should indicate that, at least.

It' took me one week.

Besides months or years don't mean anything to the Reapers, so they would have just flyed to another cluster an from their move to the rest of the galaxy.

Yeah. Something that would take years.

Or centuries.

That was the point of Arrival. To slow them down.

and what do we gain by slowing them down, put up sandbags around London, the council and Alliance won't even believe in  Reapers.

The only thing we gained by arrival is time, time that we cannot spend on something usefull as Mass effect 2 is over, and we have no leads on how to defeat the Reapers.

Modifié par Fixers0, 03 avril 2011 - 08:14 .

[Phaedon]

Fixers0 wrote...

The only thing we gained by arrival is time, time that we cannot spend on something usefull as Mass effect 2 is over, and we have no leads on how to defeat the Reapers.

Nobody said that the objective was something different.
Also, Kenson says that the time is probably centuries, but we'll see how that works.

[hero3440]

mx3ze wrote...

hey guys... think about that : the reapers are in fact stupid... if they know Shepard is dangereous, why don't they wait like.. 50 or 100 more years, humans don't have really long lifes, they could just wait he dies and then come...

Because the longer they wait more people will discover about their existence example is the doctor in arrival dlc discovering the mass relay were older than the protheans. Even the one salarian and volus who were scanning the keepers found out there were others before the protheans and the 50,000 years pattern of extinction of the civilzations before. If they wait for shepard to be dead other will just follow in his footsteps; who knows how much stronger the other races will become in 50 or 100 heck krogan population might increase to wrex gathering the other tribes. Point being the longer the Reapers wait the less chance they have in succeding in their invasion.

[Phaedon]

They (the Writers) could just make more Reapers servents , much like the Collectors

Except that that would be poor writing, considering that the Protheans were introduced since ME1.

How is that supposed to be of any relenvance, the Alpha Relay also links to all systems, Time doesn't matter for the Reapers, why do they even need a tacitcal postions? they are so much more powerfull then normal spaceships they could just shut or the relay's down or open the, as soon as they arrived then send groups of twenty reapers to each homeworld.

No it does not. It links to systems in the Batarian Hegemony.
The Citadel is both the hub to various homeworlds AND the center of civilization.

It' took me one week.

huh?

and what do we gain by slowing them down, put up sandbags around London, the council and Alliance won't even believe in Reapers.

What we earn for delaying them for centuries when we got evidence for a Reaper artifact?

What is the point of delaying the Reapers anyway, the universe is going to blow up at some point.

This is why they went with the Citadel Relay at first.

[Fixers0]

Phaedon wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

The only thing we gained by arrival is time, time that we cannot spend on something usefull as Mass effect 2 is over, and we have no leads on how to defeat the Reapers.

Nobody said that the objective was something different.
Also, Kenson says that the time is probably centuries, but we'll see how that works.

True, but Time is nothing, the Reapers will come regardless, and we still have no leads to combat them, nor do we know something about their motives or origin, but as you said that doesn't matter , Arrival was just time killing and a way to explain how the Reapers got without the Citadel relay.

[Fixers0]

Phaedon wrote...

They (the Writers) could just make more Reapers servents , much like the Collectors

Except that that would be poor writing, considering that the Protheans were introduced since ME1.

Poor writing is All across ME2, just watch does good ol vids from smudboy, or read all those bloge post that analysie me 2 plot

How is that supposed to be of any relenvance, the Alpha Relay also links to all systems, Time doesn't matter for the Reapers, why do they even need a tacitcal postions? they are so much more powerfull then normal spaceships they could just shut or the relay's down or open the, as soon as they arrived then send groups of twenty reapers to each homeworld.

No it does not. It links to systems in the Batarian Hegemony.
The Citadel is both the hub to various homeworlds AND the center of civilization.

Still the Reapers will have no problem Reaping the Galaxy, i can assure you that since arrival,  the Citadel Relay isn't as critical to the Reapers as you think

It' took me one week.

huh?

It took me one week to play ME2 including arrival.

and what do we gain by slowing them down, put up sandbags around London, the council and Alliance won't even believe in Reapers.

What we earn for delaying them for centuries when we got evidence for a Reaper artifact?

What is the point of delaying the Reapers anyway, the universe is going to blow up at some point.

This is why they went with the Citadel Relay at first.

[Phaedon]

Fixers0 wrote...
True, but Time is nothing, the Reapers will come regardless, and we still have no leads to combat them, nor do we know something about their motives or origin, but as you said that doesn't matter , Arrival was just time killing and a way to explain how the Reapers got without the Citadel relay.

Time killing? No.
It bridged ME2 to ME3.
In ME3 you'll see that the Reapers have started invading the galaxy and that Shepard is going to Earth to answer for his actions.

How that happenned? You have the chance to play that period as a DLC.

[mcsupersport]

1) Who says the Council doesn't believe in the Reapers??!!?? CDN had news indicating vast ship building and joint training going on, all preps for war...so while politicians talk, the military acts. Salarian STG knows of Reapers and Mordin wrote a paper on the Reapers and the Salarians provide intel to the Council, so just like modern day politicians, the Council lies to make the public believe what they want them too.

2) The most important reasons to get to the Citadel are 1) kill the government leaders, 2) Shut down the relay system isolating the species in seperate parts of the Galaxy.

3) The Reapers DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO FLY SYSTEM TO SYSTEM TO GET TO THE CITADEL, because they would have to face reinforced fleets the entire way, or risk ambush along the way.

4) The Collectors were in the process of recreating a Reaper, sowing bio-viruses, possibly helping the Heretic Geth, sowing dissension among the Galaxy at large, and gathering intelligence about current species.

[desonnac00]

hero3440 wrote...

mx3ze wrote...

hey guys... think about that : the reapers are in fact stupid... if they know Shepard is dangereous, why don't they wait like.. 50 or 100 more years, humans don't have really long lifes, they could just wait he dies and then come...

Because the longer they wait more people will discover about their existence example is the doctor in arrival dlc discovering the mass relay were older than the protheans.

Damn... I've been wondering how far people's fandom stupidity and inclination toward ignoring the 50% of the argument that reders your own statement stupid.

The doctor that discovered the *plot device* was doing what? Proving the reapers existense? NO
SHE DID EVERYTHING IN HER POWER TO KILL OFF THE ONLY THREAT TO THE REAPERS. 
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU ALL!!!

[Pwener2313]

The OP was just talking BS. He doesn't know what the Reapers want and how they see the situation, yet he pretends to know. Sleep mode while in auto pilot? We don't know if that's possible.

Im sorry, but I hate it when people talk without knowing, and that goes for a lot of people here in this thread.

[Valmarn]

[quote]Fixers0 wrote...

[quote]Phaedon wrote...





[quote]They (the Writers) could just make more Reapers servents , much like the Collectors [/quote]
Except that that would be poor writing, considering that the Protheans were introduced since ME1.[/quote]

Poor writing is All across ME2, just watch does good ol vids from smudboy, or read all those bloge post that analysie me 2 plot.[/quote]
[/quote]

I'm sure I would agree with smugboy's analyses of the Mass Effect 1 and/or 2 storyline(s), if only I could tolerate his pompousness, his grating, monotone voice, and his over-salivated speech.

As it is, I can't stand to listen him for more than 30 seconds at a time. If I managed to stay awake for any longer than that, I'd probably have trouble sleeping, at all; that grating, salivated voice echoing in my mind, compounded by the arrogance with which is analyses are delivered.

Modifié par Valmarn, 04 avril 2011 - 01:57 .

[Dem_B]

I and @Valmarn hope for the authors.
@Bamboozalist sure that it is not possible to come up with an explanation that will suit everyone.
Yes, he's right. But can come up with something that will be interesting to most people, because if will not explanation, then many people will be disappointed.
Many worried about the motives and origins of the Reapers.
Created on many topics.

I believe that it were not just empty words, I believe, that have makes sense.
Sovereign:

- "Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither an die".
- "We are eternal. We are end of everything".
- "We are each a nation. Independent, free of all weakness".
- "We have no beginning. We have no end. We are infinite".
- "Million of years after your civilization has been forgotten, we will endure".

Harbinger:
- "That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction".

I see the Reapers as living beings in the form of the machine, I wrote about this earlier.

Dem_B wrote...

All religions talk about life after death, the soul abandons the body, moving to another state of being.
People believe that their life will not end after bodily death. People believe that their soul is immortal.
But nobody can find the material immortality - the bodily immortality.
Therefore, everyone scared to die, nobody knows whether there is in reality a different life.

Perhaps in the distant past Reapers did not wanted to die and have created a way to keep your consciousness in this reality, in the form of an indestructible material form, free of all weakness.
Their body has become the machine, but the consciousness remains the same.
The consciousness of living beings.

Because if they were living beings, they have lived lives, they saw something which we do not know, what made them become so.
I hope for a philosophical explanation of motives of the Reapers.
I look forward to Mass Effect 3. I hope Mass Effect 3 will not be just a dumb battle powerful guns, I'm waiting for something that will make me think, the revelation.

[Fixers0]

Phaedon wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
True, but Time is nothing, the Reapers will come regardless, and we still have no leads to combat them, nor do we know something about their motives or origin, but as you said that doesn't matter , Arrival was just time killing and a way to explain how the Reapers got without the Citadel relay.

Time killing? No.
It bridged ME2 to ME3.
In ME3 you'll see that the Reapers have started invading the galaxy and that Shepard is going to Earth to answer for his actions.

How that happenned? You have the chance to play that period as a DLC.

Oh great arrival not only earned us time but also a trial, right. what do you wan't more?

[Valmarn]

mcsupersport wrote...

Valmarn wrote...

You make some very good points, though I would like to point out that it doesn't seem to happen every cycle, otherwise the Reapers would resemble Protheans. I would hypothesize that it happens every other cycle, or even every other other cycle. Between the cycles that the Reapers take a new form ("Rebirth Cycles"), they enslave the various races to harvest the race(s) during the Rebirth Cycles.

I don't know if it is every cycle or every other, or every third.  I think it depends on the nature of the genetic material available to be used, ie they say the Protheans had a quad strand genetic material unlike any other in the Galaxy.  The very oddness may have been the factor that stopped them from being used, which may have been a fairly rare or common occurance.  The fact they could make a human reaper indicates that this cycle one will be made and it will take a vast majority of the human population to do it. 

I completely forgot: the derelict Reaper. According to what the Cerberus science team found out, the derelict Reaper was millions of years old, the remnants of "a war waged when mammals were taking their first steps on Earth."

Depending on how it all works, it could be that the Reapers' consciousness' are transfered to their new bodies, at the conclusion of a Rebirth Cycle. If that is so, it would It would make sense if the derelict Reaper was disabled during the first extinction cycle that the Reapers carried out in their current form. They hadn't yet completely adjusted to their new bodies.