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[Lord_Valandil]

Just a personal thought.
I liked Meredith as a character, and in fact, I liked her even more than Orsino. I just didn't like mages in this game, most of them were evil blood mages, murderers and insane people. Even Orsino knew about Quentin and didn't do anything to prevent the murder of Leandra.
Of course, I don't think that *all* mages should be slaughtered, I didn't let Meredith to kill Bethany, and also...I saved some other mages (like Feynriel).
I have to say that I'm disappointed with the game's ending, as it is quite streamlined and doesn't offer many choices, unlike Origins...and also, the final battle against Meredith was quite exaggerated.
I'm ok with her going mad because of the lyrium, buuuuut...when she made that jump...the fight started to get ridiculous...


Seriously?

Did she get superpowers?
And also, the "living" statues...I was like "What the hell?".
They're freaking statues...how could they move and attack? Were they built with that use in mind?
I seriously doubt it, as I don't think Meredith had any wishes to become mad.
Really, really over-the-top...I was seriously expecting the statues to merge with each other and transform into a giant Meredith or even Megatron, I wouldn't be surprised...

I KNOW. This is a fantasy game, with dragons, mages and blahblahblah...but there's a limit, you know?
What did you think about the fight against Meredith? Did you like it? Did you hate it?

[_Aine_]

I hear ya, trust me, I really hear you.

In my annoying way of having logic a mental need and not just something I do on Sundays, I have chalked up the ending to Varric being Varric. I tell myself that he is either fabricating for entertainments sake, or to conceal the reality of what happened there, perhaps to protect his friends.

Who knows what really happened. Yes. This is the story I am sticking to. Logic Demands. Else I would be running down the middle of my suburban street with muppet arms flailing, drooling and calling upon the Maker to deliver me from what I don't understand.

Logic, and filling in the gaps with it, (like literary caulking) is just so much easier.

[Malja]

Was it over the top? Yes. Definately. I enjoyed it simply because it amused me regardless. Wasn't about to have a little rage fit over an entertaining fight. I laughed at how ridiculous it was and continued on my way, laughing of course. On that note, I also paused my game frequently to stare at her in the sky.

It didn't feel right, but in the end I liked that fight and found myself replaying it immediately after beating it.

[Jester12]

It definitely was over the top. Your right. Plus for the fact that her sword was 13 feet long. I thought that was a little ridiculous. But apparently magical lyrium makes statues come to life. Who knew. I did enjoy the fight though. It was the last one that involved ALL of the allies you have accrued.

[Foolsfolly]

The crazy ninja jumping and Ghostbusters 2 statues coming alive move....eh. Eh.

Eh.

Did I think it broke some sort of in-game logic? Not entirely. Dragon Age: Origins had quite a few suits of armor come to life. Statues don't have joints like armor, true, but armor can't support itself without a stand. So...kinda blocks each other out.

As for the crazy ninja jumping around and all, THAT was over the top. But I think the statues make about as much sense as the suits of armor we fought a few times throughout Origins.

[julian08]

Lord_Valandil wrote...
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I was seriously expecting the statues to merge with each other and transform into a giant Meredith or even Megatron, I wouldn't be surprised...

*snip*

Holy **** you are right. Missed opportunity BioWare! That would have been f***ing AWESOME!

To be honest, I liked it. I thought the thing with the statues was that they were probably designed as magic defenses by the Tevinter Imperium (just my personal explanation), and Meredith simply found a way to activate them. It was actually really creepy to see the constant flow of living statues fall down from the surrounding walls.

[Wulfram]

It's certainly over the top, but for me it stayed on the entertaining side of cheesy.

Wouldn't have minded a bit more challenge though - Meredith doesn't seem to do much damage, so it's only a matter of time before she wears down.

[TobiTobsen]

I always knew that, with her blonde hair and glowing eyes, Meredith had to be a Super Saiyan... I just waited for the moment where she would Kamehameha my head away.

[Beerfish]

I agree the super leap of craziness was rather silly. Some of the other stuff was okay like the animation of statues but the huge leap was dumb.

[Alexein]

I was thinking back to the beginning:

Cassandra finds it utterly implausible that Flemeth, a dragon/shapeshifter/whatever could be helping hawke, even though she knows of the warden legend.... and when she hears of meredith flying, she doesn't bat an eyelash..

O_o

[Swordfishtrombone]

Well, the Idol was not NORMAL lyrium - it was some sorta weird demonic stuff.

I did wonder though how they managed to make a sword the size of Texas out of an idol the size of a large donut.

[Foolsfolly]

Cassandra's also an idiot, Alexein.

There's a big fight that starts a war in the Gallows. I need information on what happened there. I know I'm going to question a dwarf about events 7 years prior to the battle instead of go to the highest ranked templar on the scene: Knight-Captain Cullen. Cullen would have insights into Meredith and the causes of that fight that Hawke and Varric did not.

And had she gone to Cullen first some things would have been cleared up like the whole Meredith being insane and all. Instead it seems Cassandra believed every drunkard's story about the event and thought Hawke was some kind of evil genius who played the city like a fiddle and all for some great conspiracy theory.

She's the perfect example of a poor investigator who's already made up her mind before taking in all the information. A conspiracy theorist detective looking for a boogeyman because she believes in the boogeyman.

[Jester12]

The battle was easy though. The statues fell at ease and Meredith sucked. I think it was living lyrium. Im still just pissed about the sword. Heres the line I and Bioware crossed it with that

[omgtehwhale]

i think it was varric exagerrating. i hope it was.

[julian08]

Swordfishtrombone wrote...
I did wonder though how they managed to make a sword the size of Texas out of an idol the size of a large donut.

Good question. My guess is that it's hollow - and filled with candy. Too much sugar is probably what makes her jump around like that.

[sth128]

It's tainted lyrium. It can do whatever the *bleep* the writers wanted. You're okay with Flemeth turning into a dragon and Orsino turning into the blob, but one super human jump and you're like OMGWTFBBQ?

This is the game where friggin' ROCKS band together to form a shard-shooting automaton, where mages slit their wrists to turn into giant demons, where dismembered pieces of human flesh are bound into a walking corpse bride...

And you're complaining about a possessed Templar making a high jump?

Seriously, even if she started flying and shooting laser from her eyes while busting in flames, I wouldn't have gasped in disbelief. The tainted lyrium gave her the ability to possess inanimate objects and control them as she wills, what's so difficult to accept?

It's *bleep* MAGIC. Logic cannot be applied.

[Rhjh20]

Ending was like a FF game

[Alexein]

Maybe the sword is just coated in lyrium, or a lyrium compound.

Like steel can have small amounts of chromium or vanadium in it. A sword-sized piece of steel can have a very small amount of chromium. But its the chromium that makes the steel into stainless steel. That small amount gives it its most noticeable property. Perhaps its the same with the lyrium, its a small amount of lyrium but the lyrium is what made it glow.

Alternatively, maybe the evil lyrium is even more insidious: it somehow "infects" normal matter and turns it into more lyrium. At the very end of the battle it turned meredith into (what i think is) more lyrium. Maybe the blacksmiths (or tranquil workers, whatever) saw this property and incorporated it into the sword. Or maybe the sword started as a regular sword with a lyrium Rune-slot and the lyrium put in.... but then it eventually corrupted and tainted the whole sword.

Ah well, wild speculation, but fun to think about.

[RyuStrife]

Over the top yet, It is understandable. Keep in mind... Lyrium is something dealing with Magical affinities and the fade. Her gaining some type of control wouldn't be abnormal. Especially since it's a PURE Lyrium addition. Remember how far the veil was pierced in Bartrand's manner with JUST a shard in the area?

Also keep in mind that Idol probably has similar properties to the Anvil of the Void. Considering their of old Dwarven make and it was stated that at one point they could craft magical objects of great power. I mean we have to look at all the facts and link the possibilities ya know..

[The Baconer]

sth128 wrote...

It's tainted lyrium. It can do whatever the *bleep* the writers wanted. You're okay with Flemeth turning into a dragon and Orsino turning into the blob, but one super human jump and you're like OMGWTFBBQ?

This is the game where friggin' ROCKS band together to form a shard-shooting automaton, where mages slit their wrists to turn into giant demons, where dismembered pieces of human flesh are bound into a walking corpse bride...

And you're complaining about a possessed Templar making a high jump?

Seriously, even if she started flying and shooting laser from her eyes while busting in flames, I wouldn't have gasped in disbelief. The tainted lyrium gave her the ability to possess inanimate objects and control them as she wills, what's so difficult to accept?

It's *bleep* MAGIC. Logic cannot be applied.

http://tvtropes.org/...sionOfDisbelief

[TobiTobsen]

The Baconer wrote...

sth128 wrote...

It's tainted lyrium. It can do whatever the *bleep* the writers wanted. You're okay with Flemeth turning into a dragon and Orsino turning into the blob, but one super human jump and you're like OMGWTFBBQ?

This is the game where friggin' ROCKS band together to form a shard-shooting automaton, where mages slit their wrists to turn into giant demons, where dismembered pieces of human flesh are bound into a walking corpse bride...

And you're complaining about a possessed Templar making a high jump?

Seriously, even if she started flying and shooting laser from her eyes while busting in flames, I wouldn't have gasped in disbelief. The tainted lyrium gave her the ability to possess inanimate objects and control them as she wills, what's so difficult to accept?

It's *bleep* MAGIC. Logic cannot be applied.

http://tvtropes.org/...sionOfDisbelief

Dude... stop ruining peoples life with links to tvtropes

[CakesOnAPlane]

I think in the end Cassandra doesnt really care that Varric is embelishing - probably so engrossed/suprised by the events leading up to it.

[KristofCoulson]

I enjoyed the ending, and it made me want to go play DMC again!

[Wulfram]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Cassandra's also an idiot, Alexein.

There's a big fight that starts a war in the Gallows. I need information on what happened there. I know I'm going to question a dwarf about events 7 years prior to the battle instead of go to the highest ranked templar on the scene: Knight-Captain Cullen. Cullen would have insights into Meredith and the causes of that fight that Hawke and Varric did not.

And had she gone to Cullen first some things would have been cleared up like the whole Meredith being insane and all. Instead it seems Cassandra believed every drunkard's story about the event and thought Hawke was some kind of evil genius who played the city like a fiddle and all for some great conspiracy theory.

She's the perfect example of a poor investigator who's already made up her mind before taking in all the information. A conspiracy theorist detective looking for a boogeyman because she believes in the boogeyman.

I got the impression Cassandra knows Meredith was insane.  She just thinks that Meredith being driven insane by the idol the Champion recovered was part of the Champion's plot.

[enhancedhpb]

Over the top...maybe. The final battle should be over the top. But, nothing about it seems too far fetched.

Modifié par enhancedhpb, 01 avril 2011 - 05:17 .