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[Gamer Ftw]

But i was asked why I didn't like her that was my personal opinion and you or most of these others just ignored the original question. This wasn't a debate thread.
I was wondering if like some of the other characters she could die or be asked to leave.
I did not ask for or start this debate you seem so set on.

[Sarielle]

Well, sure, but I could say it's my personal opinion the sky is green. I'm sure people would have some arguments about that.

Also, you're always free to ignore me. :B As you kept responding, I assumed you were game.

[Gamer Ftw]

The sky is black I win

[ipgd]

You're like, 13 years old, right?

[Gamer Ftw]

Lol No I was being silly adults aren't allowed to do that?
You must lead a pretty boring life being so serious all the time.

[Sarielle]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

The sky is black I win

...Touche. <_< lol

[KSuri]

Aveline is one of my favorite characters and my Hawke and her have a good working relationship, which is why I'm going to chime in.

Let's not forget that corruption is rampant in Kirkwall and Aveline is doing what she can about it. Like when she got rid of the former guard captain. But let us not forget that the reason the streets are still filled with bandits, assassins, and general idiots who are out to kill us, isn't because Aveline isn't doing her job or not doing her job well. It's GAME MECHANICS to give us XP and other goodies. If that was an actual reflection of r/l, Hawke would be a mass murderer, no  one would would still be alive in Lowtown or Darktown and the stench of rotting bodies would keep anyone new from moving in.

Aveline does her job as well as she is able. The many times I've dealt with her on the friendship path has shown a capable, responsible leader who takes her job seriously.

I do agree that the Donnic thing seemed out of place but I was willing to roll with it. Aveline is very "Lawful/Good", she's going to have a problem with any character that falls too far away from that. Tho, why anyone would think she's some kind of psycho witch from "attacking" Hawke is beyond me. Coming to blows over a disagreement doesn't surprise me. Hawke and Aveline aren't daisies, they're tough, seasoned warriors......Aveline wasn't trying to kill Hawke, just impress a point with her fists! lol

But to address the question......I'm not sure you can get rid of her. I think most folks are prone to reruiting everyone even if they don't use them. Go ahead and try to get rid of her and let us know if it's possible.

Modifié par KSuri, 02 avril 2011 - 02:52 .

[rma2110]

I adore Aveline so I never tried to get rid of her. Is there a way to get her to go back to Fereldan?Having Cullen as the new guard captain is a very scary though. I remember that he was going to be Aveline's replacement when anonymous accusations of started pouring in.

[shaneho78]

Let's call the OP Donnic from now on.

[Gamer Ftw]

Lol actually I have the same name as a character in thedas quite embarrassing.

[Rykoth]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Lol actually I have the same name as a character in thedas quite embarrassing.

I have a question or four.

Do you kick puppies?
Do you break laws?
Do you like to be rude and insult people?
Does it sting when someone tells you the truth?

If you answered yes to any of them, I understand why you don't like Aveline.
Otherwise, you're just a sad sad person for going berserk on your Aveline hatred. (actually, if you answer yes to the first question, you're just an evil person)

[CrookedAsylum]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

I suspect guard deaths are down because they don't do much of anything.
and is is not Hawk's job to investigate a murder it's hers she seems to want to make him do her job.

Your rage against a capable female character makes my uterus want to punch you in the face.


Edit: I just wanted an excuse to use this phrase. I don't particualarly care one way or another about this topic. That is all.

Modifié par CrookedAsylum, 02 avril 2011 - 11:48 .

[Gamer Ftw]

Isabela is a capable female character I love her.
And no I don't kick puppies.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 02 avril 2011 - 11:56 .

[GodWood]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Wow...
Go Aveline!

[shaneho78]

GodWood wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Wow...
Go Aveline!

Aveline is practically dripping with feist...

[highcastle]

I just want to point out, the gangs you see over the years are different gangs. Even if your Hawke never cleans up the streets, when the Acts change, so do the gangs. This means someone's taking care of them. If it's not Hawke, it's the guards. Different gangs move in because there are always criminals waiting in the wings to fill the void. I'm not going to get into a lecture on the causes of crime here, as I don't think you really care and I don't think a gaming forum is the place for a lesson on Strain Theory or the Chronic 6%. The point is, the streets ARE being cleaned up regardless if Hawke decides to help.

What bugs me more, though, is the earlier complaints of Aveline's physique. While she is muscular, she's hardly East German Swim Team muscular. This attitude towards her is worrying because it seems to suggest a woman cannot be physically fit and still be considered attractive or even feminine. And considering Aveline's muscle definition extended merely to wiry arms, I think that's a problem. Certainly standards or beauty are relative across time and space, and every individual has their own measure of attractiveness. But let's not beat down a character for strong arms. They don't make her less of a woman. *shakes head sadly*

[Taura-Tierno]

Aveline not doing her job? She is a fantastic guard captain, imo. She's straightforward, honorable and takes her job seriously.

The gangs? There will always be criminal gangs. That's reality, and has always been. A society without crime would be a utopia. It's not Aveline's fault that crime exists. If anything, it would be the Viscounts fault for not giving her the funds to recruit half of Kirkwall as guards to put an end to crime.

The elf girl who was raped? Without any forensics, it would be pretty difficult to prove it. And if she'd only heard rumours ... what could she have done, besides trying to look into it?

I wouldn't say it's her fault that Hawke's mother dies, either. Not her fault that the murderer is a mage who's got the secret support and protection of the First Enchanter.

As for her attacking Hawke ... well, I always just thought that was 7 years of frustration over Hawke opposing her and goading her and going on her nerves. It's not like she attempted to kill Hawke, or even hurt him/her seriously. *shrugs* Was wicked fun to watch, fun.

[Lilunebrium]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

And I like that you feel the need to turn my simple question into a soapbox to rant about your love for Captain Manhands.
you and the others came to this thread ranting about why I would want to kill her or make her go away and I have had to answer when really this thread was just about a plot question..

Probably not the main reason, but look at it this way; do you honestly think Hawke killing the Guard Captain (or even a Guard if you haven't made her captain yet) will get away with it? 

Gamer Ftw wrote...

I never had her do anything for me.

That, is purely based on gameplay. She didn't do anything for you because you never took her with you. I kept switching between her and Fenris, and there were plenty of opportunities when she would solve situations for me. Examples being convincing the merchant in the Gallows (during the smuggler recruitment quest) to give up his key, or intimidating one of her own guardsmen into telling who hired him to mislead the Qunari delegate.

It entirely depends on what choices you make. 

And regarding the whole 'It's Aveline's fault that Leandra dies'-thing; by that logic, it's Hawke's fault as well for not doing a more extensive search. Heck, when questioning Emeric about Gaspard in Act 2, one option has Hawke having trouble believing what Emeric says as well. You honestly can't fault Aveline for it.

Edit: typo's.

Modifié par Lilunebrium, 02 avril 2011 - 02:27 .

[Dasha Dreyson]

Lilunebrium wrote...

That, is burely based on gameplay. She didn't do anything for you because you never took her with you. I kept switching between her and Fenris, and there were plenty of opportunities when she would solve situations for me. Examples being convincing the merchant in the Gallows (during the smuggler recruitment quest) to give up his key, or intimidating one of her own guardsmen into telling who hired him to mislead the Qunari delegate.

It entirely depends on what choices you make. 

And regarding the whole 'It's Aveline's fault that Leandra dies'-thing; by that logic, it's Hawke's fault as well for not doing a more extensive search. Heck, when questioning Emeric about Gaspard in Act 2, one option has Hawke having trouble believing what Emeric says as well. You honestly can't fault Aveline for it.

I agree. There were many times I was with her when she asked me to follow up on random things. My Hawke continued to be her left hand just like she was in The Way it Should Be. It was Aveline's job to be lawful and my Hawke's job to be good.

I was annoyed with her though that elf eye witness testimony was considered rumors. That's the only time I wanted to really confront her. The law is suppose to protect everyone, not just some. Aveline should have been the first to say that.

[Peer of the Empire]

highcastle wrote...

Wow, I'm surprised to see all this hate about Aveline. I don't think she's bad at her job at all. As far as the elf girl you mention, Aveline says she's investigating this crime but there's no conclusive proof. And the girl's brothers took the law into their own hands instead of giving the guards time enough to conduct an investigation. While this whole line is tragic, it's also realistic. If something like this were to happen in real life, you wouldn't be allowed to enact retribution on the offender. You have to let the police do their jobs. I imagine in a feudal setting without forensics, where people like elves are treated as second-class citizens, it's much harder to uphold the law. This isn't a reflection of Aveline, it's a reflection of the times.
 

You've contradicted yourself.  Where there is no law, they must be the law.  We only accept our modern standards of practice because our modern conditions differ from those of the past.  Or did

[Peer of the Empire]

DoNotIngest wrote...

I never really liked Aveline; She always seemed like a hypocrite, lecturing me while she dismisses many crimes that lead to major BS later on in the game. I'd probably kill her for fun in Act 3, if I could, as I never use her.

I never used her either.  While somewhat realistic as a gangly, athletic girl, she is not cut out for the guard job, mentally or physically.

Torax wrote...

Aveline was good at one important thing
though. She wasn't willing to give into Meredith. Especially when being
pressured to just hand the entire guard over to the Templars.

Even though I like Meredith and wish she wasn't insane, this is one thing Aveline did right.

Sarielle wrote...

Aveline's chin is a tad aggressive, but I
honestly don't see where all the "Aveline is fugly" sentiment comes
from. She looks fine to me.

She strikes me as a warrior woman, she looks like she could make strong warrior babies, but she certainly won't make a good guard.

Modifié par Peer of the Empire, 03 avril 2011 - 08:14 .

[Huntress]

maegi46 wrote...

Aveline is the reason your mother dies. She knew about the remains you found of Ninette and Emeric's investigation which ultimately lead to his death. She sees him as a "nuisance" and wants you to make him leave her alone. Yeah she does a great job. All but the NOT part. I realize that us clearing out gangs is part of the game and how we level, but from an RPG standpoint, that means she is not doing her job. Those guards outside the cave during Magistrates Orders are doing nothing and have done nothing for years, knowing the magistrates son is a sick serial killer. Because it's elven children? BS. I can't see the logic. In real life that sick basta*d would receive extreme prejudice from any cop and probably never see a jail or a courtroom. We get Aveline into the city...we saved her before that from darkspawn. We indenture ourselves or our uncle does...either way to get her into the city, for a YEAR. While she gets a nice guardsman job. Let's not forget also that she makes sure Carver won't get hired too. I know the arguments will be , but that's how it was written. Yep it is, but it doesn't make her as wonderful as some of you want to paint her as. Then she knows one of her guards raped an elf girl and it lead to their murder. Does she care about the girl being raped? No, only about getting revenge on the elves that dared to defend their sister. How dare they?? I can't help but agree with the OP here.

I agree with you, I do not want to kill her per say, I do like her alot, she is a great character by right.

This or something similar I was trying to say on a post about, siding with mages vs templar, everyone pointing to orsino and why not to side with mages, ignoring who is responsable for the people well being in the first place and  to tell the truth, is Aveline's fault that everything goes to sh!ts respect mother*.

[Makeshift Riot]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Isabela is a capable female character I love her.
And no I don't kick puppies.

Isabela is a disease riddeled ****. Just saying. I've heard she likes Adrers' "electric thing".

This thread is just whining. The quests are optional and having them in your party is optional; so the logical choice would be to pretend that she just doesn't exist after arriving in Kirkwall.

Personally, I find her less annoying than Lilliana or Morrigan.

Did people whine this much about Origins characters?

[UltiPup]

Someone explain to me why Aveline isn't a good guard when she is made Guard Captain...

[metalcraze33]

Makeshift Riot wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Isabela is a capable female character I love her.
And no I don't kick puppies.

Isabela is a disease riddeled ****. Just saying. I've heard she likes Adrers' "electric thing".

This thread is just whining. The quests are optional and having them in your party is optional; so the logical choice would be to pretend that she just doesn't exist after arriving in Kirkwall.

Personally, I find her less annoying than Lilliana or Morrigan.

Did people whine this much about Origins characters?

He is asking a question not whining. also learn to spell.
She is a horrible guard the coterie is still there the whole time.
Aveline is a kind of person who uses violence to solve all of her problems and threatens and attacks people who disagree with her.
In short a bully.

Modifié par metalcraze33, 07 avril 2011 - 10:19 .