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[Moondoggie]

Jim_uk wrote...

If they paid Bioware then they're a customer of Bioware and own them nothing, do you feel you owe Bioware because they let you buy their game? As for the Engine, DA2 is not on the same engine it is supposed to be a newer one, one not capable of a tactical camera if Bioware are to be beleived. As for graphics I'll just leave this here...

Great use of selectiveness. Did you go through the whole game to find the most low res textured NPC you could find just to try prove me wrong? I bet you were beating off while you did it too. Did you enjoy proving a woman wrong? Did it make you horny? I bet you believe the world should be like The Witcher and all women should be ****s who take erotic photos. What a creep

[-Skorpious-]

Can I end this debate by mentioning the fact that every romance/sex-card in TW1 is completely optional? You don't HAVE to play a sex addict when you play the game you know.

I for one skipped all the romance subplots when playing TW.

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 16 avril 2011 - 08:00 .

[Monica83]

randName wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
And maybe if that legendary Witcher appeared or was a playable character and got handed cards with naked men, I might authorise myself to give a damn.

I think people care too much about the cards - since they don't have animations for any of the sexual encounters, save rocking beds, or plaster falling from the ceiling, and I simply see the cards as trying to give it a bit more than just a black screen.

There is no need to collect any of these, like you don't have to unlock all the achievments in ME and DA for all romances done, and I've never felt compelled to do so, rather I roleplay Geralt as I feel like it, sometimes he will give in, sometimes not, depending on which way I cast him (he is a fairly limted character).

Geralt himself never says any detrimental things about women on automation, now you can make him, but any instance when I've seen that you can, and I've tried it the women lash back and tells him to go and **** himself.

So outside the visual character design I see no problem with sexism from either CPDR or that you yourself have to suffer as you play the main character (all sexual blackscreens with the following card are optional) and in general the women are as strong as the men in the game, just rarely warriors/fighters (save two I think).

The world in it self is filled with it on the other hand, and women will utter lines like "I can't talk to you because my husband forbids it" and in an other woman frankly tells you that her husand punched one her teeth out just yesterday (she says this everytime you ask), but these I see more as the world showing that there is a gender divide, and only those women that grab for power, either like Triss through magic, or Shani through knowlage, or the two fighters through skill - have made it out from the opression of their sex by the world they live in, and they are all selfmade, and all are strong characters on their own.

And I'd like to see a DLC, an expansion, or a spin-off featuring Triss.

And in the witcher  geralt is wondering how her relation with Shani if you choised her can go on... Geralt dream a normal life with a woman and a family but this can't happened because him is a witcher... I think this part is great because show that geralt have feelings... The witcher is not only sex card.. its sad when people look an a single thing and don't pay attention to the others wonderfull things...

But i like also the sex card.. They are a nice example of an erotic card and noone of them are voulgar

[Miashi]

Moondoggie wrote...

Did CD Projeckt need to use that engine? They could have used many others but chose that one specifically. I wonder why? Perhaps to use Bioware's name to get some support for the game from their fans. "Oh hey they used the same engine that was used for Dragon Age Origins i should check that out" And the like. I think they owe Bioware a lot. But if they want to take cheap pops at Bioware now they have one mildly successfull game out they can go ahead.


Are you really saying The Witcher looks better than Dragon Age 2? I know it's cool lately to nitpick about Dragon Age 2 but come on lol. You're comparing games years apart in graphical advancements. But if you want to wear the rose coloured specs that's fine with me.

The Aurora/Infinity engines are one of the rare engines that were out there at that time that offer a very well defined structure to support a roleplaying game. Maybe you can enlighten me on what other engines out there that have this capacity? The most logical reason why Aurora engine was used is simple: there was no better tool out there to make a RPG out of than Aurora.

The Witcher 1 graphics are astonishing given that the Aurora engine is a tool from 2002. Keep that in mind. I wouldn't personally say that the graphics in the first game look better than Dragon Age 2, but Witcher 2 has better looking graphics than Dragon Ages 2. That's a certainty.

[Moondoggie]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Can I end this debate by mentioning the fact that every romance/sex-card in TW1 is completely optional? You don't HAVE to sex addict when you play the game you know.

But i bet there isn't one person who plays the game and doesn;t collect them. I mean in Amereica players protested because it was originally cut from the game. So that shows the content is important to the people who play it more than the other content.

[The Angry One]

I really wish people would stop using preview and beta test stuff to judge TW2's graphics and enviroment design.
Developers always show the best out of what's in the game in those, it was the same for DA2. Only by playing DA2 did we discover it's lazy, bland and uninspired enviroments.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

The Angry One wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

So those things bother you? I am pissed off when i see in a game a warrior woman with metal bra and panties..

Yes, they bother me. I think it's crude and insulting, and speaks to a target audience that does not include me.
Does that follow that bikini chainmail for warriors doesn't bother me?
Given that hasn't been a factor in any recent RPG I've played I can't exactly bring that

If you followed the first the witcher you know there is a legend of a really strong witcher.. A female one

And maybe if that legendary Witcher appeared or was a playable character and got handed cards with naked men, I might authorise myself to give a damn.

The developers will not change their game simply because you want it to be politically correct.

[Miashi]

Moondoggie wrote...
And here we have CD Projeckt's target audience. In real life he cannot get women so he cries into his pillow and then plays The Witcher where all manner of digital females give him photos of their breasts. Good ol target audience.

Of course, here is the stereotype "because there's breasts in the game, it must be aiming the 'spegers adolescent boys". I don't mind seeing a couple of boobs and asses when I get to play a hot-looking dude. That's fair enough for me.

[The Angry One]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

The developers will not change their game simply because you want it to be politically correct.

Maybe you should read what I say before typing something irrelevant.
I don't want it to be politically correct. If it wants to use misogyny in the game world for drama, fine. But it doesn't do that, it revels in it, it objectifies women for the player and no. I will not accept that.

Miashi wrote...

Of course, here is the stereotype "becausethere's breasts in the game, it must be aiming the 'spegers adolescent boys". I don't mind seeing a couple of boobs and asses when I get to play a hot-looking dude. That's fair enough for me.

Aim low and you'll never fail. Is that it?

Modifié par The Angry One, 16 avril 2011 - 08:05 .

[Dreadstruck]

I'm talking about what occurs in the game, optional or not. Not Geralt as a character.

And if they released a game with a female protagonist where most of the
male population is not only treated like garbage for "gritty realism"
but there for titilation and pornographic card collection, you would
have a point.

Though I admit CD projekt pulled off the "inmature jerk" when portraying some girls, it still doesn't mean they hold some grudge againts females at all.

Hell, I'd have no problem personally playing a game with a female narrative, women showing off in marketing and so forth if I liked the game. However, I'm not going to screech at the top of my lungs that they're being misandrist for getting rid of all the males, and that my genitalia gives me the divine glory to demand you develop and market games to my liking because I deserve it.

TL;DR: I don't see why they couldn't use the female protagonist, but if they don't want to, that's the way things go. I'm not going to go nuts about it and call in the sexist remarks or make up gazillions of accusations.

And By the way: Thinking of girls only as Objects seems disgusting enough to me and yes, that's maybe the only thing I didn't like in TW1.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 08 mai 2012 - 12:52 .

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Avalla'ch wrote...

You are pretty much missing the whole point of Geralt as a character.
It's easy to dismiss him as a "horny male stud who thinks with his penis", but then again, all that sex card stuff was OPTIONAL, meaning you DIDN'T had to screw half of Temeria and bring flowers to every peasantwoman to get into her pants.
Hell, even in the books Geralt seems kinda prude, unless that certain person literally throws herself at him.

And please, all these assumptions are getting kinda tiresome. Misogynist? And only in Eastern Europe?
Next time I am gonna hear that not including a female protagonist means that CD Projekt/Bioware is oppressing half of the human race via a bigoted and malicious policy.

With cases of attempted ( sometimes successful ) rape being littered in the first chapter alone ( outskirts ), I think Geralt getting consensual sex with women wouldn't be that big of a deal.

[Miashi]

The Angry One wrote...
Aim low and you'll never fail. Is that it?

Not sure what you're meaning but ok?

[Moondoggie]

Miashi wrote...

The Aurora/Infinity engines are one of the rare engines that were out there at that time that offer a very well defined structure to support a roleplaying game. Maybe you can enlighten me on what other engines out there that have this capacity? The most logical reason why Aurora engine was used is simple: there was no better tool out there to make a RPG out of than Aurora.

The Witcher 1 graphics are astonishing given that the Aurora engine is a tool from 2002. Keep that in mind. I wouldn't personally say that the graphics in the first game look better than Dragon Age 2, but Witcher 2 has better looking graphics than Dragon Ages 2. That's a certainty.

What tosh. You don't have RPG specific engines that are the only engines you can build an rpg on. When you get an engine it doesn't say "use this for FPS only!" or something like that. It';s an engine to build your game with.  The most logical reason they used it is because an already estblished engine for RPG's by an RPG company so they could throw the name around for their own game.

[Monica83]

I'm sorry but the witcher its not only sex card.. It's sad when people are looking for a thing to create a scandal i fint the witcher 1 erotic card awesome examples of erotic art.. There are sensual but not voulgar.. And the witcher its based by a character by the book the franchise is all around Geralt of Rivia it's normal you play as him... If you are looking for a nice example of something that can offend a woman well the witcher is the wrong direction.. i suggest to check Jhon Normar and the Gor series where all the man are like conan the barbarian and all the woman are slaves..

See naked female body don't scare me and most important don't drive me in the perdition!!!! I find the the witcher 2 love screen very sensual and nice to see..

[JabbaDaHutt30]

The Angry One wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

The developers will not change their game simply because you want it to be politically correct.

Maybe you should read what I say before typing something irrelevant.
I don't want it to be politically correct. If it wants to use misogyny in the game world for drama, fine. But it doesn't do that, it revels in it, it objectifies women for the player and no. I will not accept that.

Yes, you do. That you say the game promotes misogyny is pure fabrication at this point.

Modifié par JabbaDaHutt30, 16 avril 2011 - 08:22 .

[Warheadz]

My problem with Witcher 2 is that it seems to be.... pretentious. I think that's the word.
It is all in your face about how artfully they can use nudity and how they are so very mature, and how Witcher 2 is like a great piece of literature.

Every time I hear something about Witcher 2, it's about how it shows boobies. Whoopsey-****ing-doo.

Not implying that I am right, just my personal feelings.

[The Angry One]

Miashi wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Aim low and you'll never fail. Is that it?

Not sure what you're meaning but ok?

The Witcher may objectify women, make pornographic objects out of women, depict all women as weak, defenseless property save for one or two (because magic lets us weak women overcome our terrible weakness and inferiority, duh!) but hey, YOU get a hot guy to look at. That makes everything better.

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Yes, you do. That you say the game promotes mysogyny is pure fabrication at this point.

So I'm just imagining the blatantly unecesarry pornographic card collecting then.

Modifié par The Angry One, 16 avril 2011 - 08:10 .

[Kusy]

I find it nice how the pole is turning his lack of english speaking skills in a joke.
I also find it fun OP found it anyhow relevant to Dragon Age 2.
And ultimately I find it funny how everyone and their grandma is whining about Dragon Age 2 not being a good game while it is a good game.

And that CDprojekt will go bankrupt if the Witcher 2 sells badly, there's nothing better than a good old overinvestment in one product.

The Angry One wrote...
The Witcher may objectify women, make pornographic objects out of women, depict all women as weak, defenseless property save for one or two (because magic lets us weak women overcome our terrible weakness and inferiority, duh!) but hey, YOU get a hot guy to look at. That makes everything better.

Because the book was writen by a pole, because the game is developed by poles, because we poles belive that women are good for making sandwiches. DUH!

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 16 avril 2011 - 08:13 .

[Miashi]

Moondoggie wrote...
What tosh. You don't have RPG specific engines that are the only engines you can build an rpg on. When you get an engine it doesn't say "use this for FPS only!" or something like that. It';s an engine to build your game with.  The most logical reason they used it is because an already estblished engine for RPG's by an RPG company so they could throw the name around for their own game.

Sorry but you know that Aurora isn't just about a 3d engine right?
Yeah, you probably don't.

[xkg]

Moondoggie wrote...

Jim_uk wrote...

Did Bioware let them use that engine for free? if not then CD Projekt owe them nothing. On the subject of engines, look what CD Projekt managed to do with that old engine and then look at DA2.

Did CD Projeckt need to use that engine? They could have used many others but chose that one specifically. I wonder why? Perhaps to use Bioware's name to get some support for the game from their fans. "Oh hey they used the same engine that was used for Dragon Age Origins i should check that out" And the like. I think they owe Bioware a lot. But if they want to take cheap pops at Bioware now they have one mildly successfull game out they can go ahead.


Are you really saying The Witcher looks better than Dragon Age 2? I know it's cool lately to nitpick about Dragon Age 2 but come on lol. You're comparing games years apart in graphical advancements. But if you want to wear the rose coloured specs that's fine with me.

Your post is full of fail.

Witcher was released in 2007 so yeah they wanted to get crowd of non-existing game (Dragon Age - 2010)
Besides - Dragon Age use Eclipse engine while Witcher use enchanced Aurora engine.

Go read. It doesnt hurt all that much really.

[The Angry One]

Fandango9641 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Sometimes I regret giving myself this name. Other times like now I'm glad I did, as it's a constant source of amusement when people like you hide behind it.

Ha, I can think of plenty of names that would suit you better. Just as an aside, do you actually care to explain again exactly why you hold Bioware to a less demanding standard than CDRP (it brightened my day)? Thanks in advance. x

It has nothing to do with standards.
It has to do with what a given developer feels they can get away with.
It's getting hilarious how you continue to miss this simple point.

Modifié par The Angry One, 16 avril 2011 - 08:12 .

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

I find it nice how the pole is turning his lack of english speaking skills in a joke.
I also find it fun OP found it anyhow relevant to Dragon Age 2.
And ultimately I find it funny how everyone and their grandma is whining about Dragon Age 2 not being a good game while it is a good game.

And that CDprojekt will go bankrupt if the Witcher 2 sells badly, there's nothing better than a good old overinvestment in one product.

'the pole' sounds conspicuously xenophobic here. might want to watch that.

[Moondoggie]

xkg wrote...

Your post is full of fail.

Witcher was released in 2007 so yeah they wanted to get crowd of non-existing game (Dragon Age - 2010)
Besides - Dragon Age use Eclipse engine while Witcher use enchanced Aurora engine.

Go read. It doesnt hurt all that much really.

"While witcher use"  that's some dodgy English. Are you Polish?