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[Dreadstruck]

Avalla'ch wrote...

I'm talking about what occurs in the game, optional or not. Not Geralt as a character.

And if they released a game with a female protagonist where most of the
male population is not only treated like garbage for "gritty realism"
but there for titilation and pornographic card collection, you would
have a point.

Though I admit CD projekt pulled off the "inmature jerk" when portraying some girls, it still doesn't mean they hold some grudge againts females at all.

My problem is with people who have entitlement complexes.
People who think they can push private individuals around by hitting them with a 'Bigot' stick.

Hell, I'd have no problem personally playing a game with a female narrative, women showing off in marketing and so forth if I liked the game. However, I'm not going to screech at the top of my lungs that they're being misandrist for getting rid of all the males, and that my genitalia gives me the divine glory to demand you develop and market games to my liking because I deserve it.

TL;DR: I don't see why they couldn't use the female protagonist, but if they don't want to, that's the way things go. I'm not going to go nuts about it and call in the sexist remarks or make up gazillions of accusations.

And By the way: Thinking of girls only as Objects seems disgusting enough to me and yes, that's maybe the only thing I didn't like in TW1.

And addendum: Now since we speak about hating the other gender, is Tomb Raider misandrist too?

[Kusy]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

I find it nice how the pole is turning his lack of english speaking skills in a joke.
I also find it fun OP found it anyhow relevant to Dragon Age 2.
And ultimately I find it funny how everyone and their grandma is whining about Dragon Age 2 not being a good game while it is a good game.

And that CDprojekt will go bankrupt if the Witcher 2 sells badly, there's nothing better than a good old overinvestment in one product.

'the pole' sounds conspicuously xenophobic here. might want to watch that.

I can't be xenophobic towards myself... or can I?

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 16 avril 2011 - 08:15 .

[randName]

The Angry One wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

The witcher is not porn guys have a great storyline the game its not all related in take a girl and have fun...

But if you want see only that aspect well its a problem for you

CD-project have passion in what they do...

Look the life on this village its just wonderfull:

Well, I have my principles that obviously you lack.
I only hope you don't carry this logic into the real world.

Did you actually play the Witcher? I really don't see how optional content, that gives you no benefit in collecting would cause any problem - and the Witcher constantly uses concept images and illustration to show various events that happen in the world, so it's rather logical that they would have these for the sexual encounters as well - and as it's told it's almost always the women who wants Geralt, with a few exceptions, he is simply one of the sex symbols of the land, a conquest for many of those outside the two more serious romances you can have.


Or are these really the problem? (Picked a SFW for obvious reasons)



And personally I would say that outside Geralt, and some of his fellow Witchers the strongest of the characters are Triss and Shani, and there are plenty of other strong females in the game.

Do I think they went overboard with the cards? Yes I do, and the clothing for Triss especially is rather tasteless ~ but the game it self is hardly a den of sexism, and in many ways it works like Mad men in that it highlights genders issues by casting it in a time were they are more apparent (for the world they are in is one with without gender equality, and it's shown and displayed within the game, esp. through characters like Triss, the Princess, or just the waitresses and the banter down the streets).

And when I play it I often feel ashamed if I gave into some girl/women out to get Geralt, since I was trying to be faithful to Triss or Shani (often causing me to reload after), esp. when either of those notes the company you keep, or have kept, with disdain.

Modifié par randName, 16 avril 2011 - 08:18 .

[The Angry One]

Fandango9641 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Sometimes I regret giving myself this name. Other times like now I'm glad I did, as it's a constant source of amusement when people like you hide behind it.

Ha, I can think of plenty of names that would suit you better. Just as an aside, do you actually care to explain again exactly why you hold Bioware to a less demanding standard than CDRP (it brightened my day)? Thanks in advance. x

It has nothing to do with standards.
It has to do with what a given developer feels they can get away with.
It's getting hilarious how you continue to miss this simple point.

Hmm, how does The Angry Apologist sound? Or maybe the Angry, Self Important, Protector of Virtue?

Concession accepted, thanks for playing~

[xkg]

Moondoggie wrote...

xkg wrote...

Your post is full of fail.

Witcher was released in 2007 so yeah they wanted to get crowd of non-existing game (Dragon Age - 2010)
Besides - Dragon Age use Eclipse engine while Witcher use enchanced Aurora engine.

Go read. It doesnt hurt all that much really.

"While witcher use"  that's some dodgy English. Are you Polish?

Yes i am. Do you have problem with that. Do you want to talk with me in Polish ? lets see how good you are.
How many languages do you speak ?

[The Angry One]

randName wrote...

Did you actually play the Witcher?

I played a little.. 2.. 3 years ago? Whenever it came out. Couldn't stand it really.
Watched someone else play now and then, and read about the rest.

I really don't see how optional content, that gives you no benefit in collecting would cause any problem - and the Witcher constantly uses concept images and illustration to show various events that happen in the world, so it's rather logical that they would have these for the sexual encounters as well - and as it's told it's almost always the women who wants Geralt, with a few exceptions, he is simply one of the sex symbols of the land, a conquest for many of those outside the two more serious romances you can have.

The fact that the content is optional is irrelevant. It's there, it's for a target audience, and that target audience complained vehemently when it was censored for the US release.

[CroGamer002]

I though this video is gonna be funny.

In the end it was incredibly boring with a lot of RPG elitist comments on it.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

The Angry One wrote...

Miashi wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Aim low and you'll never fail. Is that it?

Not sure what you're meaning but ok?

The Witcher may objectify women, make pornographic objects out of women, depict all women as weak, defenseless property save for one or two (because magic lets us weak women overcome our terrible weakness and inferiority, duh!) but hey, YOU get a hot guy to look at. That makes everything better.

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Yes, you do. That you say the game promotes mysogyny is pure fabrication at this point.

So I'm just imagining the blatantly unecesarry pornographic card collecting then.

nudity, not porn. creating nude artwork of women does not mean you hate women. In very simple terms, I could make a painting of fruits. I do not hate fruits.

TW2 doesn't have anything like that anyway, I've heard.

Modifié par JabbaDaHutt30, 16 avril 2011 - 08:21 .

[slimgrin]

The Angry One wrote...


The fact that the content is optional is irrelevant. It's there, it's for a target audience, and that target audience complained vehemently when it was censored for the US release.

Oh lord, you dare mention 'target audence' under the EA umbrella? CD red made the game they wanted to make, prudes be damned. It's EAware that is catering.

[Monica83]

Those thing of the cards sound like a witch hunt for me: BURN DE WIITCH

And i am woman....

I think many of those complainers of the witcher sex cards never played the witcher... As i sayd before in the story you discover geralt desire a family a normal life the best moment is when you go on the tavern and you talk with dandelion and the dwarf about that... I loved it....

But people want to see only the card.. Oh but it have sex card its Scandalous... Sorry for the tone but i can't listen ignorant attitude

[Kusy]

Geralt is the only witcher that feels sexual desire to begin with from what I understand. Because his mom wanted so or something.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 16 avril 2011 - 08:22 .

[Miashi]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Geralt is the only witcher that feels sexual desire to begin with from what I understand. Because his mom wanted so or something.

Sexual desire is not equal to fertility. Geralt is infertile, doesn't mean his sexual desires are automatically supressed.

[Monica83]

There is a lot of feelings on the witcher one not only sex card and who say the opposite is:

A) Never played the game
B)Ignorant

[The Angry One]

slimgrin wrote...

The Angry One wrote...


The fact that the content is optional is irrelevant. It's there, it's for a target audience, and that target audience complained vehemently when it was censored for the US release.

Oh lord, you dare mention 'target audence' under the EA umbrella? CD red made the game they wanted to make, prudes be damned. It's EAware that is catering.

And both want to appeal to adolescent boys, for different reasons.

[YohkoOhno]

I saw the video as a funny April Fool's joke with perhaps some digs at general targets. To be honest, I suspect CDProject would actually be more friendly with Bioware considering they used their technology to publish their signature game.

I actually am looking forward to this game, but I hope it's improved greatly from the first one, because after seeing Dragon Age Origins the Witcher 1 looks and feels very dated. If they pull off a successful game though, I am hoping it will be a good swift kick to get Bioware thinking about the competition.

Competition is a good thing. It helps lead to innovation.

[CroGamer002]

captain.subtle wrote...

Ruben Thomas wrote...

I'm confused, when in that video does he mention DA2, BioWare or anything related to either?

I don't think that video was targeted at BioWare, seems like he is just trolling the changes in the game developing industry as of late.

'sup drog.

I fail to see any connection.

Parody is a complete fail.

[The Angry One]

Monica83 wrote...

Those thing of the cards sound like a witch hunt for me: BURN DE WIITCH

And i am woman....

I think many of those complainers of the witcher sex cards never played the witcher... As i sayd before in the story you discover geralt desire a family a normal life the best moment is when you go on the tavern and you talk with dandelion and the dwarf about that... I loved it....

But people want to see only the card.. Oh but it have sex card its Scandalous... Sorry for the tone but i can't listen ignorant attitude

So your argument is that Geralt has decent characterisation, therefore this somehow erases everything else.
Sorry, doesn't work that way.
Again, I just hope you don't carry this belief into real life.

Modifié par The Angry One, 16 avril 2011 - 08:25 .

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Monica83 wrote...

Those thing of the cards sound like a witch hunt for me: BURN DE WIITCH

And i am woman....

I think many of those complainers of the witcher sex cards never played the witcher... As i sayd before in the story you discover geralt desire a family a normal life the best moment is when you go on the tavern and you talk with dandelion and the dwarf about that... I loved it....

But people want to see only the card.. Oh but it have sex card its Scandalous... Sorry for the tone but i can't listen ignorant attitude

Geralt is apparently depicted as a womanizer from the source material ( the books ). This was adapted into a game. The sex encounters sucked, but it fit his character.

[mykeme]

At this point, any depiction of a naked woman as erotic rather than pornographic can be considered a celebration of the female gender and deserves praise from even the most conservative (or is it liberal?) feminist. The fact that we're having this debate on the internet, where the most disgusting porn is always one click away, says that anyone who thinks Witcher is obnoxious and too "in-your-face" with it's sex scenes is a goddamn hypocrite.

[arcsquad12]

You know, I have a theory about the objectification of women in The Witcher. Perhaps that is just the world they live in? Why every fantasy world must portray both men and women as equals is beyond me. They sure as hell weren't equal in the real world for the time period fantasy games tend to steal from.

I am not advocating sexism, but I am suggesting that sexism makes sense in the context of The Witcher. That doesn't make the game sexist, it makes the inhabitants sexist.

[randName]

Warheadz wrote...

My problem with Witcher 2 is that it seems to be.... pretentious. I think that's the word.
It is all in your face about how artfully they can use nudity and how they are so very mature, and how Witcher 2 is like a great piece of literature.

Every time I hear something about Witcher 2, it's about how it shows boobies. Whoopsey-****ing-doo.

Not implying that I am right, just my personal feelings.

So far, outside the shots with Triss and Geralt in the bath, and then in bed - the only breasts I've seen is of the torture victim, and it's hardly there for fanservice or ****** of material - all other media that I've seen have had zero mammaries - and tW1 only got nudity in the form of the optional cards.

It's worth noting that ghouls and many of the undead have something similar to shriveled ****s in tW1, so maybe there is more nudity in that regard.


& There wasn't a great deal of sex in tW1 unless you tried to collect it, or you played someone really loose and sexually starved character that tries to initiate potential sex scenes with any women you face on the street, and will accept any advances, regardless from whom they come (as the obviously damaged princess).

I suspect tW2 will be more or less the same, and one reason they wanted to show the love scene was probably due to the cards being one of the most criticized elements of tW1, and rightly so - even if people blow them out of proportion.

[Miashi]

I don't see why people are getting their panties all in a bunch on Witcher's portrayal of women. I've yet to see a dude making a drama thread over the Forgotten realms style drows where men are treated like ****. Grow up.

Modifié par Miashi, 16 avril 2011 - 08:31 .

[Monica83]

The Angry One wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

Those thing of the cards sound like a witch hunt for me: BURN DE WIITCH

And i am woman....

I think many of those complainers of the witcher sex cards never played the witcher... As i sayd before in the story you discover geralt desire a family a normal life the best moment is when you go on the tavern and you talk with dandelion and the dwarf about that... I loved it....

But people want to see only the card.. Oh but it have sex card its Scandalous... Sorry for the tone but i can't listen ignorant attitude

So your argument is that Geralt has decent characterisation, therefore this somehow erases everything else.
Sorry, doesn't work that way.
Again, I just hope you don't carry this belief into real life.

Yes indeed but the witch:O

Sorry but i think sex and desire its a natural thing and not a deamon to slay... I never feel myself offended by the witcher 1 and the sex card are tastefull a fine example of erotic art... People that attack it are somewhat pathetic... Why? Simple....

I never seen you complain about the bad sexualization of the isabela character on dragon age 2... Huge breasts corset and perizoma and machine of sex... You see the sex card and you say: This is oultragious!!!! More coherence please.....

And since you have not played the game.. You admit it.. so.. are you here to talking of something you don't know? this is quite hilarious hon

[The Angry One]

arcsquad12 wrote...

You know, I have a theory about the objectification of women in The Witcher. Perhaps that is just the world they live in? Why every fantasy world must portray both men and women as equals is beyond me. They sure as hell weren't equal in the real world for the time period fantasy games tend to steal from.

There weren't magic, wizards and monsters in the real world either.
And forgive me if I consider authors who accept that all societies must follow the tribal patriarchal pattern ours did to be unimaginative.

I am not advocating sexism, but I am suggesting that sexism makes sense in the context of The Witcher. That doesn't make the game sexist, it makes the inhabitants sexist.

And yet the developers revel in it. They make the women all objects for Geralt to use.

[randName]

Fandango9641 wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

There is a lot of feelings on the witcher one not only sex card and who say the opposite is:

A) Never played the game
B)Ignorant

I loved The Witcher and found sex card minigame to be entirely juvenile and dull. But offensive? No, no of course not.

Aye - more or less this, it kind of fits the character, being almost a sex object in the world - but in the end once you play it it's better to roleplay as normal, and thus you hardly notice the cards, and never the collection in it self.