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[CroGamer002]

About The Witcher 1?

Game is BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORIIIIIIIING.
If gameplay is not drastically changed and first 15 minutes are just cutscenes of absolutely nothing, I'm not even looking at The Witcher 2.

Modifié par Mesina2, 16 avril 2011 - 08:33 .

[randName]

The Angry One wrote...

I am not advocating sexism, but I am suggesting that sexism makes sense in the context of The Witcher. That doesn't make the game sexist, it makes the inhabitants sexist.

And yet the developers revel in it. They make the women all objects for Geralt to use.

Hardly, most of the women use Geralt in tW1, not the opposite.

[The Angry One]

Monica83 wrote...
Yes indeed but the witch:O

Sorry but i think sex and desire its a natural thing and not a deamon to slay... I never feel myself offended by the witcher 1 and the sex card are tastefull a fine example of erotic art... People that attack it are somewhat pathetic... Why? Simple....

I never seen you complain about the bad sexualization of the isabela character on dragon age 2... Huge breasts corset and perizoma and machine of sex... You see the sex card and you say: This is oultragious!!!! More coherence please.....

I have mentioned that Isabela's character is 90% about sex, which is one-dimensional and boring, because in DA:O she seemed more than that. I am no prude, I am simply against one-sided objectification.

And since you have not played the game.. You admit it.. so.. are you here to talking of something you don't know? this is quite hilarious hon

About as hilarious as someone who accepts her own gender being treated as property I imagine.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

The Angry One wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

Those thing of the cards sound like a witch hunt for me: BURN DE WIITCH

And i am woman....

I think many of those complainers of the witcher sex cards never played the witcher... As i sayd before in the story you discover geralt desire a family a normal life the best moment is when you go on the tavern and you talk with dandelion and the dwarf about that... I loved it....

But people want to see only the card.. Oh but it have sex card its Scandalous... Sorry for the tone but i can't listen ignorant attitude

So your argument is that Geralt has decent characterisation, therefore this somehow erases everything else.
Sorry, doesn't work that way.
Again, I just hope you don't carry this belief into real life.

Erases what? You take issue with Geralt's character in the game for reasons you want to draw ( their 'agenda' ) into a real life implication: that CDProjekt promotes misogyny, that it encourages the player to treat women like objects ( all bullsh*t ) Any other instance and it would be just part of the story; another character's personality you might have disliked, another game you could have avoided because you don't like the writing for the main character.

But you take it to the next step. 

Modifié par JabbaDaHutt30, 16 avril 2011 - 08:37 .

[slimgrin]

arcsquad12 wrote...

You know, I have a theory about the objectification of women in The Witcher. Perhaps that is just the world they live in? Why every fantasy world must portray both men and women as equals is beyond me. They sure as hell weren't equal in the real world for the time period fantasy games tend to steal from.

I am not advocating sexism, but I am suggesting that sexism makes sense in the context of The Witcher. That doesn't make the game sexist, it makes the inhabitants sexist.

Exactly. And it's the opposite mindset that demands popular forms of entertainment conform to modern ideals. As if there needs to be some sort of political quota an author, painter, or game maker meets nowadays. I am completely against this stance. 

Modifié par slimgrin, 16 avril 2011 - 08:36 .

[Monica83]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

Those thing of the cards sound like a witch hunt for me: BURN DE WIITCH

And i am woman....

I think many of those complainers of the witcher sex cards never played the witcher... As i sayd before in the story you discover geralt desire a family a normal life the best moment is when you go on the tavern and you talk with dandelion and the dwarf about that... I loved it....

But people want to see only the card.. Oh but it have sex card its Scandalous... Sorry for the tone but i can't listen ignorant attitude

Geralt is apparently depicted as a womanizer from the source material ( the books ). This was adapted into a game. The sex encounters sucked, but it fit his character.

Geralt is a male after all... Its normal if find a nice woman that want know him in intimate manner don't say no.... And as you sayd is perfectly in character i don't see the problem...The only thing i can accept are this: The sex card are not so necessary but they never offended me and for me they are nice example of erotic art..

[The Angry One]

Once again I have said little about Geralt's character, I have talked about how CD Projekt themselves have handled and designed women aside from Geralt's personality or the author's world, and I am not impressed.

[The Angry One]

slimgrin wrote...

arcsquad12 wrote...

You know, I have a theory about the objectification of women in The Witcher. Perhaps that is just the world they live in? Why every fantasy world must portray both men and women as equals is beyond me. They sure as hell weren't equal in the real world for the time period fantasy games tend to steal from.

I am not advocating sexism, but I am suggesting that sexism makes sense in the context of The Witcher. That doesn't make the game sexist, it makes the inhabitants sexist.

Exactly. And it's the opposite mindset that demands popular forms of entertainment conform to modern ideals. As if there needs to be some sort of political quota an author, painter, or game maker meets nowadays. I am completely against this stance. 

Hey I tell you what, if the Witcher 2 turns up and there's no magic, nothing supernatural, Geralt has to wear armour that limits his movements and then dies of dissentry I will accept that it in no ways follows these boring modern standards!

[JabbaDaHutt30]

The Angry One wrote...

Once again I have said little about Geralt's character, I have talked about how CD Projekt themselves have handled and designed women aside from Geralt's personality or the author's world, and I am not impressed.

They designed women to fall for him because women fall for Geralt.

[arcsquad12]

The Angry One wrote...

arcsquad12 wrote...

You know, I have a theory about the objectification of women in The Witcher. Perhaps that is just the world they live in? Why every fantasy world must portray both men and women as equals is beyond me. They sure as hell weren't equal in the real world for the time period fantasy games tend to steal from.

There weren't magic, wizards and monsters in the real world either.
And forgive me if I consider authors who accept that all societies must follow the tribal patriarchal pattern ours did to be unimaginative.

I am not advocating sexism, but I am suggesting that sexism makes sense in the context of The Witcher. That doesn't make the game sexist, it makes the inhabitants sexist.

And yet the developers revel in it. They make the women all objects for Geralt to use.

So you're saying that they shouldn'e be allowed to portray a sexist civilization? Why not? Because it offends you somehow? Then that means its working. If a developer manages to invoke an emotional response in a player through their game, then they have done there job.

I don't see many people objecting to how Qunari women are subjected in Dragon Age. For the most part, the players just accept that that is the way the Qun works out. Why is it okay for the Qunari to have a rigid caste structure that impunes on individual choice, but the Witcher does not?

[Romantiq]

Monica83 wrote...

Those thing of the cards sound like a witch hunt for me: BURN DE WIITCH

And i am woman....

I think many of those complainers of the witcher sex cards never played the witcher... As i sayd before in the story you discover geralt desire a family a normal life the best moment is when you go on the tavern and you talk with dandelion and the dwarf about that... I loved it....

But people want to see only the card.. Oh but it have sex card its Scandalous... Sorry for the tone but i can't listen ignorant attitude

Don't expect much from society that is influenced by individuals like these birds

http://t2.gstatic.co...SPNj37-jZCG8FX8

and

[Monica83]

The Angry One wrote...

Once again I have said little about Geralt's character, I have talked about how CD Projekt themselves have handled and designed women aside from Geralt's personality or the author's world, and I am not impressed.

I respect your point of wiew of course but attacking the sex card like they are a deamon to slay is something well not so...mhhhhh...right..  Of course the witcher 1 is a nice game  and i think the sequel will be a nice one to..

[The Angry One]

arcsquad12 wrote...

I don't see many people objecting to how Qunari women are subjected in Dragon Age. For the most part, the players just accept that that is the way the Qun works out. Why is it okay for the Qunari to have a rigid caste structure that impunes on individual choice, but the Witcher does not?

First, the Qunari do not treat women as objects to be used.
Secondly, at no point does DA invite you to participate in how the Qunari operate.

[randName]

slimgrin wrote...

arcsquad12 wrote...

You know, I have a theory about the objectification of women in The Witcher. Perhaps that is just the world they live in? Why every fantasy world must portray both men and women as equals is beyond me. They sure as hell weren't equal in the real world for the time period fantasy games tend to steal from.

I am not advocating sexism, but I am suggesting that sexism makes sense in the context of The Witcher. That doesn't make the game sexist, it makes the inhabitants sexist.

Exactly. And it's the opposite mindset that demands popular forms of entertainment conform to modern ideals. As if there needs to be some sort of political quota an author, painter, or game maker meets nowadays. I am completely against this stance. 

That said the game also shows this well, and doesn't justify it ~ nor does it promote an image of weak women, since there are several that break free from the mold of the society around them.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

The Angry One wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

arcsquad12 wrote...

You know, I have a theory about the objectification of women in The Witcher. Perhaps that is just the world they live in? Why every fantasy world must portray both men and women as equals is beyond me. They sure as hell weren't equal in the real world for the time period fantasy games tend to steal from.

I am not advocating sexism, but I am suggesting that sexism makes sense in the context of The Witcher. That doesn't make the game sexist, it makes the inhabitants sexist.

Exactly. And it's the opposite mindset that demands popular forms of entertainment conform to modern ideals. As if there needs to be some sort of political quota an author, painter, or game maker meets nowadays. I am completely against this stance. 

Hey I tell you what, if the Witcher 2 turns up and there's no magic, nothing supernatural, Geralt has to wear armour that limits his movements and then dies of dissentry I will accept that it in no ways follows these boring modern standards!

So if they emulate one part of the dark age, they should emulate it entirely... I don't think I understand.

[Dreadstruck]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Once again I have said little about Geralt's character, I have talked about how CD Projekt themselves have handled and designed women aside from Geralt's personality or the author's world, and I am not impressed.

They designed women to fall for him because women fall for Geralt.

Correction: This is set by the original author. Kinda like people having an interest in exotic stuff.

So I see no problem with keeping it to the lore. All this misogynist crap seems like a big drama hyperbole to me anyway. Again, CD Projekt does not hate women no matter how many accusations people are going to make up:D.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 16 avril 2011 - 08:43 .

[The Angry One]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

So if they emulate one part of the dark age, they should emulate it entirely... I don't think I understand.

That's merely in response to people who think things like not treating women like **** is a modern standard that authors "true" to their setting should ignore.
If you're going to label that a modern standard, then I can do it with everything else that isn't true to a medieval period.

[Jim_uk]

The Angry One wrote...

arcsquad12 wrote...

I don't see many people objecting to how Qunari women are subjected in Dragon Age. For the most part, the players just accept that that is the way the Qun works out. Why is it okay for the Qunari to have a rigid caste structure that impunes on individual choice, but the Witcher does not?

First, the Qunari do not treat women as objects to be used.
Secondly, at no point does DA invite you to participate in how the Qunari operate.

The Qunari force women into stereotypical roles which is no better, their attitude towards women mirrors that of the late 19th/early 20th century here in the west.

Modifié par Jim_uk, 16 avril 2011 - 08:44 .

[Miashi]

The Angry One wrote...
First, the Qunari do not treat women as objects to be used.
Secondly, at no point does DA invite you to participate in how the Qunari operate.

But...but... DA:2 has sexist scenes!
Like the "felicitation" scene! Oh no!
Also.... big boobs Bethany! Offendeding!
Isabela! What a pure example of portraying that women are materialistic!

/sarcasm

Modifié par Miashi, 16 avril 2011 - 08:45 .

[ejoslin]

My major problem with the witcher is that I cannot play as a female. This is something that BW has done an amazing job with -- female protagonists who feel real, have their own content, and are fun to play. I wasn't crazy about the leather cheerleading outfits that the dalish women wore, but DA2 was a big step in the right direction.

Edit: Just watched the video.  Gah, that's funny!  But it's not about DA2.  I don't think...

Modifié par ejoslin, 16 avril 2011 - 08:48 .

[malakian]

Wtf? that's a pretty big leap. All they are doing is listing things they perceive to be the opposite of the witcher 2 for their april fools game gag. That isnt trolling DA2. This is YOU trolling da2, OP.

[Monica83]

I just wondering if someone complainer here read jhon norman if you find sex card offensive what you think of a world where the man are like superhero and the woman are weak and almost all are slaves o woman dressed with burka?

I want to quote a phrase from those books (the gor one)

Exist only two type of woman: The slave and The slaves...

Now this is offensive LOL

[The Angry One]

Miashi wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
First, the Qunari do not treat women as objects to be used.
Secondly, at no point does DA invite you to participate in how the Qunari operate.

But...but... DA:2 has sexist scenes!
Like the "felicitation" scene! Oh no!
Also.... big boobs Bethany! Offendeding!
Isabela! What a pure example of portraying that women are materialistic!

/sarcasm

And it objectifies men plenty of times too.
Point, missing it. Again.

But please continue to call me a prude if it makes you feel better despite my multiple posts that say otherwise.
I guess coming up with a real argument is harder than going "She's Sarah Palin! Her opinion is irrelevant!".

Modifié par The Angry One, 16 avril 2011 - 08:47 .

[Nashiktal]

Anyone else find this kinda hilarious since CD projekt Red used bioware tech to make their game?