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[randName]

The Angry One wrote...

arcsquad12 wrote...

I don't see many people objecting to how Qunari women are subjected in Dragon Age. For the most part, the players just accept that that is the way the Qun works out. Why is it okay for the Qunari to have a rigid caste structure that impunes on individual choice, but the Witcher does not?

First, the Qunari do not treat women as objects to be used.
Secondly, at no point does DA invite you to participate in how the Qunari operate.

Nor does Geralt in the game (dunno about the books).

Sure he sleeps around, but as he puts it in one of his drunk stupors - he dreams that he could settle down and build a family, to stay with one woman, but that life isn't for him since not only is he infertile, he will also most likely die rather soon, so he simply lives life as a vagabond.  (This is just the canon version, my latest run have a faithful, almost dog like Geralt that everyone kicks around).

Rather everyone else, except for Shani, treats Geralt as an object to be used, even Triss does - and that goes for men and women in the game.


He is simply a tool for some women to conquer, a tool to kill monsters, and in the game a political tool for those in power.

And it's really apparent in the game, and he often struggles with that he is being used.

Modifié par randName, 16 avril 2011 - 08:50 .

[Boh22]

You might be forgetting, that The Witcher is based on books by Andrzej Sapkowski. His writing style does include things like sexism, racism, a lot of violence and stuff (it's awesome btw). The game creators wouldn't do justice to his art by not reflecting this in the game. Not to mention that it depicts that dark medieval atmosphere in a great way.

[slimgrin]

Avalla'ch wrote...

So I see no problem with keeping it to the lore. All this misogynist crap seems like a big drama hyperbole to me anyway. Again, CD Projekt does not hate women no matter how many accusations people are going to make up:D.

People are also up in arms cause Triss bared her bum for the Polish Playboy. The same seductive sorceress that throws herself at Geralt in TW1, and may just be playing him like a violin all this time. God forbid.

Modifié par slimgrin, 16 avril 2011 - 08:51 .

[DKJaigen]

Jim_uk wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

arcsquad12 wrote...

I don't see many people objecting to how Qunari women are subjected in Dragon Age. For the most part, the players just accept that that is the way the Qun works out. Why is it okay for the Qunari to have a rigid caste structure that impunes on individual choice, but the Witcher does not?

First, the Qunari do not treat women as objects to be used.
Secondly, at no point does DA invite you to participate in how the Qunari operate.

The Qunari force women into stereotypical roles which is no better, their attitude towards women mirrors that of the late 19th/early 20th century here in the west.

And yet qunari women are the only ones that can become tamsarans (a priestess) which is highest social rank.

[The Angry One]

randName wrote...

Rather everyone else, except for Shani, treats Geralt as an object to be used, even Triss does - and that goes for men and women in the game.


He is simply a tool for some women to conquer, a tool to kill monsters, and in the game a political tool for those in power.

And it's really apparent in the game, and he often struggles with that he is being used.

Well yeah, but being a tool to solve X is basically describing all RPG heroes in the history of ever.
It's not quite the same as being a "gotta get 'em all" sex object.

[Nashiktal]

You know, I have not yet been able to finish a playthrough of the witcher. I always get near to the end of act two in the swamp... and I just peter out.

From the way people talk though I should probably try and push through to finish it.

[Monica83]

The Angry One wrote...

Miashi wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
First, the Qunari do not treat women as objects to be used.
Secondly, at no point does DA invite you to participate in how the Qunari operate.

But...but... DA:2 has sexist scenes!
Like the "felicitation" scene! Oh no!
Also.... big boobs Bethany! Offendeding!
Isabela! What a pure example of portraying that women are materialistic!

/sarcasm

And it objectifies men plenty of times too.
Point, missing it. Again.

But please continue to call me a prude if it makes you feel better despite my multiple posts that say otherwise.
I guess coming up with a real argument is harder than going "She's Sarah Palin! Her opinion is irrelevant!".

Im not thinking you are prude.. I only tryng to explain you my point of wiew but i understeand my english isn't perfect in fact im italian..

[Kusy]

Miashi wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Geralt is the only witcher that feels sexual desire to begin with from what I understand. Because his mom wanted so or something.

Sexual desire is not equal to fertility. Geralt is infertile, doesn't mean his sexual desires are automatically supressed.

Good job on reading. I said Geralt is the only witcher that feels desire... you are talking about him being fertile or not. Witrchers don't reproduce in general and Geralt is the only one that can love and stuff.

[The Angry One]

DKJaigen wrote...

The Qunari force women into
stereotypical roles which is no better, their attitude towards women
mirrors that of the late 19th/early 20th century here in the west.

And yet qunari women are the only ones that can become tamsarans (a priestess) which is highest social rank.

They're also in charge of all administration, as the Qunari consider males less intelligent.
All in all Qunari lean more towards misandry than misogyny. And no, you can't use that against me, I've stated multiple times I heavily dislike Qunari and consider most of them little more than robots.

Monica83 wrote...

Im not thinking you are prude.. I only tryng to explain you my point of wiew but i understeand my english isn't perfect in fact im italian..

Not you maybe, but a few are accusing me of that.

Modifié par The Angry One, 16 avril 2011 - 08:55 .

[Damariel]

Moondoggie wrote...

xkg wrote...

Your post is full of fail.

Witcher was released in 2007 so yeah they wanted to get crowd of non-existing game (Dragon Age - 2010)
Besides - Dragon Age use Eclipse engine while Witcher use enchanced Aurora engine.

Go read. It doesnt hurt all that much really.

"While witcher use"  that's some dodgy English. Are you Polish?

And what it change anything if he is Pole?... this is forum for Americans only hmmm?...

Modifié par Damariel, 16 avril 2011 - 08:56 .

[Seitur]

The Angry One wrote...


So your argument is that Geralt has decent characterisation, therefore this somehow erases everything else.
Sorry, doesn't work that way.
Again, I just hope you don't carry this belief into real life.

I've been reading this topic and I want to comment on this and other of your posts.

In my eyes you do nothing but go into mentor & angry mode all the time , generalising and misusing terms. I finf id really disgusting to read.

You accuse one game of appealing to growing up boys by putting certain content in game. While I also don't really like "cheap shots" like that developers do they still do and will do. With CDPR , Bioware and most of game companies beign no exception. Which of course don't make it good , thou it seems that you using double standards.

You accuse TW1 of bringing porn. Porn? There is hardly anu nudity there on cards. So either:  a)you don't know what porn is, you just manipulating c) lying .

Misogyny accusation. Really? TW has only male character to choose not because developers hate womans but because you're playing fictional character from book series. Same book series you can buy & read. That's why you cannot play woman , because you re playing certain book character who is male not female. There are plenty games where you cannot play male characters as well.
Second thing : TW world is a medieval-like world where females have worse position in many aspects than man. That's a fact. It is patriarchal world.  Bad? Good? Well it is a fiction. Please keep your political correctness from games, movies, books, fictional worlds, and all art creation. Author decides what's in there.
Afaik we're still living in a free world where there is no censhorship in old easternblock style unless there is crime involved.

[Zubie]

Nashiktal wrote...

You know, I have not yet been able to finish a playthrough of the witcher. I always get near to the end of act two in the swamp... and I just peter out.

From the way people talk though I should probably try and push through to finish it.

god i hated the swamp....

[DarthCaine]

This thread is beyond idiotic...

[Romantiq]

Jim_uk wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

arcsquad12 wrote...

I don't see many people objecting to how Qunari women are subjected in Dragon Age. For the most part, the players just accept that that is the way the Qun works out. Why is it okay for the Qunari to have a rigid caste structure that impunes on individual choice, but the Witcher does not?

First, the Qunari do not treat women as objects to be used.
Secondly, at no point does DA invite you to participate in how the Qunari operate.

The Qunari force women into stereotypical roles which is no better, their attitude towards women mirrors that of the late 19th/early 20th century here in the west.

BioWare pretty much put a digital burqa on qunari women.

Isabella is portrayed as a total skank wh0re.

But lets introduce homosexual content to divert people's attention from how we present women in our game! Because EROTIC (not sex) cards and tortured women with exposed breasts are sooo much worse zomg.

Modifié par Romantiq, 16 avril 2011 - 08:59 .

[randName]

The Angry One wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

So if they emulate one part of the dark age, they should emulate it entirely... I don't think I understand.

That's merely in response to people who think things like not treating women like **** is a modern standard that authors "true" to their setting should ignore.
If you're going to label that a modern standard, then I can do it with everything else that isn't true to a medieval period.

When the women you bed in tW1 are strong and independent and they are the ones who initiate the whole thing - how do you claim Geralt uses them? 

Outside from the silly card collection, I really see no problem with it - or do women need to be prudish? 

[Miashi]

The Angry One wrote...
And it objectifies men plenty of times too.

If all you have as an example of this is the she-males in the brothel, then Witcher has some tranvestites too, so nothing to see here.

I get your point perfectly. I'm not trying to convince you to play the game, I really don't care. There's a lot of games out there intended for all ages that portray women very poorly.World of warcraft female models. for instance, are shockingly thin. Witcher is intended and rated for a mature audience. If you're not mature enough to play it, then you shouldn't be playing it.

[The Angry One]

Seitur wrote...

I've been reading this topic and I want to comment on this and other of your posts.

In my eyes you do nothing but go into mentor & angry mode all the time , generalising and misusing terms. I finf id really disgusting to read.

Do you expect me to care what you think? Who are you again?

You accuse TW1 of bringing porn. Porn? There is hardly anu nudity there on cards. So either:  a)you don't know what porn is, you just manipulating c) lying .

Hardly any nudity? Yes, hardly enough that most were censored outside it's Polish release.

Misogyny accusation. Really? TW has only male character to choose not because developers hate womans but because you're playing fictional character from book series. Same book series you can buy & read. That's why you cannot play woman , because you re playing certain book character who is male not female. There are plenty games where you cannot play male characters as well.
Second thing : TW world is a medieval-like world where females have worse position in many aspects than man. That's a fact. It is patriarchal world.  Bad? Good? Well it is a fiction. Please keep your political correctness from games, movies, books, fictional worlds, and all art creation. Author decides what's in there.
Afaik we're still living in a free world where there is no censhorship in old easternblock style unless there is crime involved.

Kudos to you for missing all my points, and again accusing me of political correctness which just proves you haven't read a thing I've said, or are just another dishonest debater I do not care to speak to again.

[The Angry One]

Miashi wrote...

If all you have as an example of this is the she-males in the brothel, then Witcher has some tranvestites too, so nothing to see here.

Yes, that's all I'm talking about. The male prostitutes, handsome men and Zevran don't exist.

I get your point perfectly. I'm not trying to convince you to play the game, I really don't care. There's a lot of games out there intended for all ages that portray women very poorly.World of warcraft female models. for instance, are shockingly thin. Witcher is intended and rated for a mature audience. If you're not mature enough to play it, then you shouldn't be playing it.

If all you can do is lie about my position then we're done here.
And no, the Witcher is intended for adolescents. Gratuitous sex and nudity is not mature. It all depends on how you handle it, and TW does not handle it maturely.

[Monica83]

The Angry One wrote...

Seitur wrote...

I've been reading this topic and I want to comment on this and other of your posts.

In my eyes you do nothing but go into mentor & angry mode all the time , generalising and misusing terms. I finf id really disgusting to read.

Do you expect me to care what you think? Who are you again?

You accuse TW1 of bringing porn. Porn? There is hardly anu nudity there on cards. So either:  a)you don't know what porn is, you just manipulating c) lying .

Hardly any nudity? Yes, hardly enough that most were censored outside it's Polish release.

Misogyny accusation. Really? TW has only male character to choose not because developers hate womans but because you're playing fictional character from book series. Same book series you can buy & read. That's why you cannot play woman , because you re playing certain book character who is male not female. There are plenty games where you cannot play male characters as well.
Second thing : TW world is a medieval-like world where females have worse position in many aspects than man. That's a fact. It is patriarchal world.  Bad? Good? Well it is a fiction. Please keep your political correctness from games, movies, books, fictional worlds, and all art creation. Author decides what's in there.
Afaik we're still living in a free world where there is no censhorship in old easternblock style unless there is crime involved.

Kudos to you for missing all my points, and again accusing me of political correctness which just proves you haven't read a thing I've said, or are just another dishonest debater I do not care to speak to again.

The uncesored card are never total naked but half... Topless most of them and they are not voulgar they are sensual and very tastefull...Nudity its not porn..

Modifié par Monica83, 16 avril 2011 - 09:02 .

[mykeme]

Still waiting for The Angry One to post a picture of Coolface and say "Problem?". He obviously hasn't played Mafia 2.

[Rovay]

... This thread again? And here I thought we already moved from that...

[Nashiktal]

easygame88 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

You know, I have not yet been able to finish a playthrough of the witcher. I always get near to the end of act two in the swamp... and I just peter out.

From the way people talk though I should probably try and push through to finish it.

god i hated the swamp....

I know right? Its long, mostly boring, enemies everywhere that might kill you at any time so you have to save often, and the choices seem abrubt and jilted.

I have fun with the witcher, but combat is a weak point for it. I want to play it, but I keep remembering that swamp and I start to dread it...

[Monica83]

The new location after the swamp is awesome try to finish the swamp part you will be happy after i assure you (varric voice)

[Romantiq]

A lot of people don't know difference between PORN and EROTICA just as they don't see any difference between YOUR and YOU'RE.

Modifié par Romantiq, 16 avril 2011 - 09:08 .

[Eurypterid]

Nashiktal wrote...
I know right? Its long, mostly boring, enemies everywhere that might kill you at any time so you have to save often, and the choices seem abrubt and jilted.

I have fun with the witcher, but combat is a weak point for it. I want to play it, but I keep remembering that swamp and I start to dread it...

As Monica noted, push yourself to get past the swamp. Some really good stuff after that.