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[Romantiq]

They lost a lot of money having Witcher being a PC only so I completely understand them. If they can pull it off and turn the game into tactical and customizable rpg then I would really respect them for that.
As long as the game is fun and quality made really and not repetitive, ctrlv+ctrlc grind then I am all for it. There is no need to bash PC community because I am sure we all want quality games.


I personally already preordered W2 CE just because I read a lot of previews and watched videos to make me believe that this will be worth it.  Dragon Age 2's demo, buttonawesome videos and DLC spree didn't sell me the product so I waited. I am also curious about how CDPR  is going to be pursuing pirates

Modifié par Romantiq, 17 avril 2011 - 04:05 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Every bunch of gamers complains about something. PC gamers are hardly alone in this regard.

[AlexMBrennan]

Turnip Root wrote...
A small price to pay though for "sticking it to the man!" and fighting against the tyranny of DRM!

More like idiocy - ask any cryptographer or security engineer for why DRM can't possibly work on arbitrary hardware; I suspect that this is also the reason Sony discontinued the alternate OS feature. But hey, I'm sure they'll beat the laws of physics any day now.

Besides, what's so great about TW anyway? I played the game (well, Act 1 & 2, anyway) and just found myself not caring about anything at all and bored by combat. Edit to add: Hell, Battle for Wesnoth is more fun than TW

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 17 avril 2011 - 04:01 .

[Mrbananagrabber]

Turnip Root wrote...

Otterwarden wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...

I hope you PC gamers enjoy your Witcher II torrents. It's going to be the last PC exclusive CD Projekt ever makes.

It is already not PC exclusive.  They designed it with the consoles in mind.

Wasn't aware of that, smart move on CD Projekt's part.  No sense wasting money producing such a promising game for such a fiscally worthless community.

Already bought the Witcher 1 and Enhanced Edition on PC and already prepaid for The Witcher 2.

Play 90% of my games on the PC.

Never pirated one game in my life.

Been playing PC games since the old D&D games of the early 90's.

Durp

[Boiny Bunny]

Otterwarden wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...

I hope you PC gamers enjoy your Witcher II torrents. It's going to be the last PC exclusive CD Projekt ever makes.

It is already not PC exclusive.  They designed it with the consoles in mind.

That's not entirely true.  They have set the game up (the controls) so that it can be played with a 360 controller for Windows.  In some sense, this will make it an easy port to consoles at a later date if they choose.

I wouldn't bet on their future games not being PC exclusives to start with either - which in the end, is the only thing that matters.  They seem to like the cycle of developing the game for the PC exclusively, then scaling it down to make it work on a console.

[thatbwoyblu]

Nice to see that im not the only bwoy that cant stand the ridiculously old  me,me,me I want,i want, I want, P.C gamers. P.C gamers complain about everything. If the grass aint green enough damn roght a P.c bwoy will whine, if the sky aint blue enough damn right a P.c bwoy will whine, if clouds aint white enough damn right a P.c bwoy will whine.

DA 2 was a good Fing game and P.C playas trashed it. Witcher is a irrelevant game until it comes out for Xbox.P.C games is dying because P.C gamers are nothing but overbearing man childs that will never grow up and need devs to pacify them and satisfy their every single need.Its always mission impossible when devs try to make games for P.C bwoys.

Modifié par thatbwoyblu, 17 avril 2011 - 04:08 .

[slimgrin]

BusomJack, really, you do yourself no justice with these tirades. You may as well condemn theft from convenience stores.

People steal, there is no stopping that.

Modifié par slimgrin, 17 avril 2011 - 04:07 .

[Romantiq]

thatbwoyblu wrote...

Nice to see that im not the only bwoy that cant stand the ridiculously old  me,me,me I want,i want, I want, P.C gamers. P.C gamers complain about everything. If the grass aint green enough damn roght a P.c bwoy will whine, if the sky aint blue enough damn right a P.c bwoy will whine, if clouds aint white enough damn right a P.c bwoy will whine.

DA 2 was a good Fing game and P.C playas trashed it. Witcher is a irrelevant game until it comes out for Xbox.P.C games is dying because P.C gamers are nothing but overbearing man childs that will never grow up and need devs to pacify them and satisfy their every single need.Its always mission impossible when devs try to make games for P.C bwoys.

Now take your precious time to re-read your own post and ask yourself this question "Who is crying now?".

Also, DA 2 being a good game is just your opinion. According to your previous posts (especially the one where you called every pc gamer a 60 year old lifeless freaks) I doubt that your opinion would be considered credible.
Take a hike kiddo.

Modifié par Romantiq, 17 avril 2011 - 04:13 .

[Otterwarden]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Otterwarden wrote...

It is already not PC exclusive.  They designed it with the consoles in mind.

That's not entirely true.  They have set the game up (the controls) so that it can be played with a 360 controller for Windows.  In some sense, this will make it an easy port to consoles at a later date if they choose.

I wouldn't bet on their future games not being PC exclusives to start with either - which in the end, is the only thing that matters.  They seem to like the cycle of developing the game for the PC exclusively, then scaling it down to make it work on a console.

Their description of how they designed the combat (plus things that I heard in developer diaries) leads to a natural conclusion that this was not a PC exclusive design:

www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-11-25-the-witcher-2-were-not-afraid-of-dragon-age-interview

Modifié par Otterwarden, 17 avril 2011 - 04:14 .

[Turnip Root]

slimgrin wrote...

BusomJack, really, you do yourself no justice with these tirades. You may as well condemn theft from convenience stores.

People steal, there is no stopping that.

I assume you meant me.  Anyways, I was just commenting on this because this video was a reminder of the increasing smugness of both the Witcher II fans and self-entitled PC gamers who are trashing on a direction the industry has taken with Dragon Age II which they themselves have influenced thanks to their greed and apathy behind the economics of the industry they have benefitted from.

If people want to steal, they can steal.  I don't condone it of course but if they're going to do so they shouldn't act as if they're entitled to any kind of special recognition from the industry and they should stop pretentiously claiming as if what they're doing is something more noble than just wanting to get crap for free.

[AlexMBrennan]

Boiny Bunny wrote...
That's not entirely true.  They have set the game up (the controls) so that it can be played with a 360 controller for Windows.  In some sense, this will make it an easy port to consoles at a later date if they choose.

Lovely. I'll make sure to not buy that game - I have a keyboard (an and a mouse, and a flight control system) and I'd prefer the interface to take advantage of the fact that I have more than one button (cf AI tactics in DA2)

[Turnip Root]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...
That's not entirely true.  They have set the game up (the controls) so that it can be played with a 360 controller for Windows.  In some sense, this will make it an easy port to consoles at a later date if they choose.

Lovely. I'll make sure to not buy that game - I have a keyboard (an and a mouse, and a flight control system) and I'd prefer the interface to take advantage of the fact that I have more than one button (cf AI tactics in DA2)

Might want to consider giving up on all gaming then with the exception of RTS, World of Warcraft and the Sims. 

See Otterwarden!  *points above*

I told you they'd find something to complain about!

Modifié par Turnip Root, 17 avril 2011 - 04:26 .

[Nozybidaj]

How is that trolling DA2? When he hit that guy with his lute I didn't see anyone exploding into a fine red mist? That's totally different from what would happen in DA2.

[mykeme]

Modifié par mykeme, 17 avril 2011 - 05:35 .

[Kajan451]

Moondoggie wrote...

fchopin wrote...

I will be over the moon if TW2 is as good as TW1.

So covering the crappy combat system and cliche storyline with porn then? I'm sure there will be more erotic photos of you to collect by bedding women don't worry.

Cliche Storyline? Did you ever bother to read the novels on which The Witcher is based? The Witcher Game is actually based on an already predefined World. A world which is all about "Cliche" and the parody of Grims Tales.

You can hardly blame the Game for being true to the original. Same goes for the "porn" (Seriously.. people calling that porn never ever even have seen porn, and no idea what they are talking about if they use that word).

The world, as it is set forth by the books (and CD Projects loved those awardwinning novels enough to make them into a game), is dark, gritty and cliche. Thats the whole point to the books. Using old European Fairtales and turning them into some dark parody... with cliche Medivial Standards and making fun of that too.

Yes, the combat System wasn't that good.. but seriously.. you play Roleplay Games for Combat system? I mean, that might be a stretch, but don't you think you would be more at home at some Action Combat game? There are some quite good ones. Darksiders even has RPG elements, if you want that.

The Witcher was, if you know the novels, a great copy of said novels and the world created by their authors. And the Storyline wasn't even half as bad.

Thats kind of like picking up the Diskworld Game (yes there is actually at least one) and complaining about the Looney Storyline and the odd logic.

If you don't like Cliche and the Parody of it, you probably should stay away from The Witcher. Its not going to be "better" this time around. If it would be, they would steer clear of the Original.

Thats not like Dragon Age, which has no base but its own. There are Novels written after the standards the games set forward. The Witcher is the otherway around. There were novels written and then a game created after it. Those novels were written between 1992 and 99. 5 of them. So kind of... Geralt and his Universe is like almot 20 years old. Back in his day, he wasn't as much Cliche, but rather kind of a parody of the Fantasy Wave of the 80ths... you know which brought us movies like Conan and The Barbarians. You know.. all this Luis Royo Art... with sparsely clad women, always willing and wanting... and tough guys who were to cool to be smart.

Thats kind of like reading Lord of the Rings and call it "unimaginitive", because every story does have Orks and Wizards in it.

[Savber100]

Kajan451 wrote...


Cliche Storyline? Did you ever bother to read the novels on which The Witcher is based? The Witcher Game is actually based on an already predefined World. A world which is all about "Cliche" and the parody of Grims Tales.

You can hardly blame the Game for being true to the original. Same goes for the "porn" (Seriously.. people calling that porn never ever even have seen porn, and no idea what they are talking about if they use that word).

The world, as it is set forth by the books (and CD Projects loved those awardwinning novels enough to make them into a game), is dark, gritty and cliche. Thats the whole point to the books. Using old European Fairtales and turning them into some dark parody... with cliche Medivial Standards and making fun of that too.

Yes, the combat System wasn't that good.. but seriously.. you play Roleplay Games for Combat system? I mean, that might be a stretch, but don't you think you would be more at home at some Action Combat game? There are some quite good ones. Darksiders even has RPG elements, if you want that.

The Witcher was, if you know the novels, a great copy of said novels and the world created by their authors. And the Storyline wasn't even half as bad.

Thats kind of like picking up the Diskworld Game (yes there is actually at least one) and complaining about the Looney Storyline and the odd logic.

If you don't like Cliche and the Parody of it, you probably should stay away from The Witcher. Its not going to be "better" this time around. If it would be, they would steer clear of the Original.

Thats not like Dragon Age, which has no base but its own. There are Novels written after the standards the games set forward. The Witcher is the otherway around. There were novels written and then a game created after it. Those novels were written between 1992 and 99. 5 of them. So kind of... Geralt and his Universe is like almot 20 years old. Back in his day, he wasn't as much Cliche, but rather kind of a parody of the Fantasy Wave of the 80ths... you know which brought us movies like Conan and The Barbarians. You know.. all this Luis Royo Art... with sparsely clad women, always willing and wanting... and tough guys who were to cool to be smart.

Thats kind of like reading Lord of the Rings and call it "unimaginitive", because every story does have Orks and Wizards in it.

Wait... the Witcher series has finally been translated to English? :happy:

[Teredan]

Enjoyed the first witcher alot and also am excited for the second one.
If I'd compare Origins and The Witcher not based on quality but enjoyment I had, I'd say that I like them both alike.

[Otterwarden]

Savber100 wrote...

Wait... the Witcher series has finally been translated to English? :happy:

www.amazon.com/Last-Wish-Andrzej-Sapkowski/dp/0316029181/ref=sr_1_1

Still looks like "The Last Wish" and "The Book of Elves" are the only two to have been translated so far.

[Tommy6860]

Otterwarden wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Otterwarden wrote...

It is already not PC exclusive.  They designed it with the consoles in mind.

That's not entirely true.  They have set the game up (the controls) so that it can be played with a 360 controller for Windows.  In some sense, this will make it an easy port to consoles at a later date if they choose.

I wouldn't bet on their future games not being PC exclusives to start with either - which in the end, is the only thing that matters.  They seem to like the cycle of developing the game for the PC exclusively, then scaling it down to make it work on a console.

Their description of how they designed the combat (plus things that I heard in developer diaries) leads to a natural conclusion that this was not a PC exclusive design:

www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-11-25-the-witcher-2-were-not-afraid-of-dragon-age-interview

Aaah! You had to post that article. I remember reading that late last year and it had me worried then, I just never really thought of it since. I really liked TW, though I despised being forced to play a male human character with no other choice, otherwsise it was a superb RPG.  By Gop's very own remarks, TW2 is being developed across all platforms and also that as a business concerning cost and time, they have to do that. I have to wonder if the PC is the lead in development, though it is apparent TW2 will be released on the consoles as well.

Even if the PC is the lead, that will change as it is far cheaper to develop (future games) on the console than it is on PC and then have the game ported to PC. This is one area where I have admired Bethesda, even if they have another developer do their games, where they have had their games specifically designed for each platform. They have stated this before, most recently when the question was asked about FO:NV being ports.

I honestly don't care if RPGs are even ports, as long as the PC version(s) keep most of the elements that appeal most to the RPG PC gamers and let the action minded have what they want on consoles, sine that is what Gop is alluding to anyway.

[Otterwarden]

Tommy6860 wrote...

Aaah! You had to post that article. I remember reading that late last year and it had me worried then, I just never really thought of it since. I really liked TW, though I despised being forced to play a male human character with no other choice, otherwsise it was a superb RPG.  By Gop's very own remarks, TW2 is being developed across all platforms and also that as a business concerning cost and time, they have to do that. I have to wonder if the PC is the lead in development, though it is apparent TW2 will be released on the consoles as well.

Even if the PC is the lead, that will change as it is far cheaper to develop (future games) on the console than it is on PC and then have the game ported to PC. This is one area where I have admired Bethesda, even if they have another developer do their games, where they have had their games specifically designed for each platform. They have stated this before, most recently when the question was asked about FO:NV being ports.

I honestly don't care if RPGs are even ports, as long as the PC version(s) keep most of the elements that appeal most to the RPG PC gamers and let the action minded have what they want on consoles, sine that is what Gop is alluding to anyway.

Naw, I don't care either... so long as the unwashed masses version doesn't interfer with my fun!  If CD Projekt figures out a way to do this effectively it bodes well for the entire RPG sector.  As soon as somebody cracks this nut it will be copied immediately.  Stripping out a game of its heart and soul is clearly not the winning model, no matter how many times Mike Laidlaw says so.

[gotthammer]

re: console version
As someone who has played (and is playing) The Witcher, I think that its combat gameplay would actually be at home on consoles (especially when compared to games like DA:O or DA2).

I mean, you only control one character in the Witcher and the combat is relatively simple: click to attack and time your next click for the next stage of the attack, another button for the signs, and shortcuts for potions/bombs and switching weapon, style and signs (which, I think the current set up of the current generation of gaming consoles's controllers can manage).

edit:
hmm. did a quick review of the control scheme for The Witcher. Hehe, each sign has one number (1- 5)...and no key to rotate among the signs.  Oh well, if one of the recent vids for The Witcher 2 is any indication, they probably have consoles in mind already (looked like a radial menu like thingy for the weapons/styles/signs thingies)

Compare that to DA:O's combat, if, like me, you prefer to micromanage the party and only use a bare minimum of tactics, you'll be switching from party member to party member, adjusting the camera view for AoE effects/spells and directing attacks, and picking from various abilities, across multiple characters, etc.
Games like DA:O, IMHO, are better played w/ keyboard + mouse (to be honest, tho', I haven't tried to console version).

But, yeah, I'd have to agree w/ the notion that any console version, for any game, not just The Witcher's sequel/s, shouldn't be to the detriment, esp. in quality, of the PC version of the game. 
(I'm planning to get a PS3, after I upgrade my PC, but I am a PC gamer  )

Modifié par gotthammer, 17 avril 2011 - 09:12 .

[KJandrew]

Otterwarden wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Wait... the Witcher series has finally been translated to English? :happy:

www.amazon.com/Last-Wish-Andrzej-Sapkowski/dp/0316029181/ref=sr_1_1

Still looks like "The Last Wish" and "The Book of Elves" are the only two to have been translated so far.

Times of contempt comes out later this month

[Blooddrunk1004]

Turnip Root wrote...

I hope you PC gamers enjoy your Witcher II torrents. It's going to be the last PC exclusive CD Projekt ever makes.

You would be surprised how much listening and respecting your fans, can raise your sells especialy for the PC exclusives. Thats exactly what CD is doing. Also your trolling fails.

Modifié par Blooddrunk1004, 17 avril 2011 - 09:48 .

[mykeme]

Turnip Root wrote...

I hope you PC gamers enjoy your Witcher II torrents. It's going to be the last PC exclusive CD Projekt ever makes.

Just FYI, day one DLC exist because of console piracy.