BeljoraDien wrote...
But that's an entirely different argument all together... One we can have, but I'm still on the first one, which is that the sex scenes themselves were no better in DA:O/DA2 than The Witcher... There's no grand distinction between polygon-sex and art-sex.
The cards aren't tradable and how is this any different from the romance achievements?Cutlass Jack wrote...
I was never having that arguement. It was all you. I was only ever discussing the trivialization of romance by making it a collectable trading card game.
Marionetten wrote...
The cards aren't tradable and how is this any different from the romance achievements?
Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 02 avril 2011 - 12:16 .
There were. Not individual ones but there were still achievements for initiating and finishing romances.Cutlass Jack wrote...
There weren't any in DA2.
Modifié par Marionetten, 02 avril 2011 - 12:17 .
Cutlass Jack wrote...
BeljoraDien wrote...
But that's an entirely different argument all together... One we can have, but I'm still on the first one, which is that the sex scenes themselves were no better in DA:O/DA2 than The Witcher... There's no grand distinction between polygon-sex and art-sex.
I was never having that arguement. It was all you. I was only ever discussing the trivialization of romance by making it a collectable trading card game.
Modifié par BeljoraDien, 02 avril 2011 - 12:17 .
slimgrin wrote...
Bad King wrote...
And this would secure Skyrim dominance against 2011 rpgs and beyond.
I can hear this echoing...somewhere. Anyway, join the fan bois.
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BeljoraDien wrote...
Fortunately, I'm not really looking for deep relationship development in cRPGs... but atleast TW doesn't pretend that the relationships are deep. Geralt had a past love that he lost, and he'll never feel that way again, so the sex can be trite... What was Dragon Age's excuse?
Marionetten wrote...
There were. Not individual ones but there were still achievements for initiating and finishing romances.
The child has some magic going on and the other woman is a sorceress. I don't even understand why the hate, and obviously there is no way to find out either. Jealousy? Anyway the game continued as if had this party of friends done even though I didn't so I quit because I hate if games assume you did things you didn't just to push you somewhere.Tirigon wrote...
AlexXIV wrote...
In my first playthrough I romanced Shani, obviously because I like her better. In my second I wanted to give the child to the witch because after the first playthrough I thought she may be a better caretaker. Obviously that prompted a romance with the witch and Shani didn't want to see me anymore. Logic fail. As many others as well because if you try to do something different from the 'obvious' you get stranded. That's the same problem DA2 partly had.
You gave the child to a woman she totally hates instead of Shani? No wonder she hates you.
Imagine your almost-girlfriend would take care of a child and then you give the child to the woman she hates more than anyone else - do you think she´d just ignore it and still love you?
Modifié par AlexXIV, 02 avril 2011 - 12:22 .
And this is different from acquiring a sex card how exactly?Cutlass Jack wrote...
See that's not remotely the same thing though. There was not an achievement for quantity of sexual partners. Only having a full romance with the person of your choice.
It deserves a good kick up the ar$e for the complancency that's set in, up until this year gaming was moving forward in many ways, eg story and technology, now it's like the passion to deliver a good overall experience is fading to be replaced by gimicks and DLC.slimgrin wrote...
Once again, the video is a criticism of the industry as a whole. And I think the industry deserves some criticism.
AlexXIV wrote...
If you're looking for porn, then why in a video game? Just curious.Tirigon wrote...
Otterwarden wrote...
The sex scenes in DA:O were a gimmick as well.
And a sh!tty one at that. The Merrill "sex" (well, actually dry humping) scene was so f*cking bad it almost ruined the romance for me (which would have been awesome cos Merrill is just the most perfect girl in this universe).
AlexXIV wrote...
The child has some magic going on and the other woman is a sorceress. I don't even understand why the hate, and obviously there is no way to find out either. Jealousy? Anyway the game continued as if had this party of friends done even though I didn't so I quit because I hate if games assume you did things you didn't just to push you somewhere.
BeljoraDien wrote...
But... you are arguing that. You're saying that by the mere presence of a sex card, the romance is trivialized. That sex scenes that do not include sex cards are automatically deeper.
Sex =/= love. I bet if having regular sex with random people wouldn't upset the wife/girlfriend, then most men would have it. Sex has nothing to do with attachment or depth of the relationship, or are you telling me that if your LI dies you will be more sorry if you had 'sex' before? I find the words 'I love you' (or any other implication) much more important than naked skin. I don't mind sex scenes, I am not a purist or conservative person. I just don't get it that people actually complain about the lack of it in a video game. That's a bit gross.daemon1129 wrote...
AlexXIV wrote...
If you're looking for porn, then why in a video game? Just curious.Tirigon wrote...
Otterwarden wrote...
The sex scenes in DA:O were a gimmick as well.
And a sh!tty one at that. The Merrill "sex" (well, actually dry humping) scene was so f*cking bad it almost ruined the romance for me (which would have been awesome cos Merrill is just the most perfect girl in this universe).
What so if theres sex then its automatically a porn? Sex is such an essential part of any living being's life, I don't see why it can't be in a video game. Its not even interactive. It is just a scene showing the kind of attachment the characters have with each other. Personally I don't ike Bioware's appoarch with romance and sex, because it always end up with a sex scene like its an achievenment or some sort of reward for the player.
The point is, the Witcher doesn't. It is called generic character. They are both females, and possible LIs, so they must hate each other. No explanation needed. How is that having a personality? If you could talk to one of them about it and give them your reasons it would show that there is something like depth to it. Other than that I rather find bland and stereotype.Tirigon wrote...
AlexXIV wrote...
The child has some magic going on and the other woman is a sorceress. I don't even understand why the hate, and obviously there is no way to find out either. Jealousy? Anyway the game continued as if had this party of friends done even though I didn't so I quit because I hate if games assume you did things you didn't just to push you somewhere.
Well the fact of the matter is, Shani and Triss think you´re a big stupid f*cktard if you give the child to the other one.
Whether or not this impression is justified is actually irrelevant.
Considering that everyone on this forum wants consistent characters with their own personality it seems hardly fair to blame Witcher for having exactly that.
Modifié par AlexXIV, 02 avril 2011 - 12:35 .
You do realize that both Shani and Triss ( ... the actual romances ) play huge parts in the actual game, right?Cutlass Jack wrote...
No what I'm saying is you got a card, not a romance. There was no depth past that. Which reduced the whole thing to a card collecting game rather than a full relationship. If it were deeper, the card part would have been irrelevant to me.
DJBare wrote...
It deserves a good kick up the ar$e for the complancency that's set in, up until this year gaming was moving forward in many ways, eg story and technology, now it's like the passion to deliver a good overall experience is fading to be replaced by gimicks and DLC.slimgrin wrote...
Once again, the video is a criticism of the industry as a whole. And I think the industry deserves some criticism.
When Bioware states "Push a button and something awsome happens"; I guess they are speaking to a new generation, awsome to me was first time stepping out of the vault in Fallout 3
Marionetten wrote...
You do realize that both Shani and Triss ( ... the actual romances ) play huge parts in the actual game, right?Cutlass Jack wrote...
No what I'm saying is you got a card, not a romance. There was no depth past that. Which reduced the whole thing to a card collecting game rather than a full relationship. If it were deeper, the card part would have been irrelevant to me.
AlexXIV wrote...
I just don't get it that people actually complain about the lack of it in a video game. That's a bit gross.
To be honest, I got a different impression. But playing Witcher is too far back for me to discuss this in any detail, so let´s agree to disagree:)AlexXIV wrote...
They are both females, and possible LIs, so
they must hate each other. No explanation needed. How is that having a
personality? If you could talk to one of them about it and give them
your reasons it would show that there is something like depth to it.
Other than that I rather find bland and stereotype.
Modifié par Tirigon, 02 avril 2011 - 12:47 .
captain.subtle wrote...
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Modifié par moilami, 02 avril 2011 - 12:47 .
Tirigon wrote...
AlexXIV wrote...
The child has some magic going on and the other woman is a sorceress. I don't even understand why the hate, and obviously there is no way to find out either. Jealousy? Anyway the game continued as if had this party of friends done even though I didn't so I quit because I hate if games assume you did things you didn't just to push you somewhere.
Well the fact of the matter is, Shani and Triss think you´re a big stupid f*cktard if you give the child to the other one.
Whether or not this impression is justified is actually irrelevant.
Considering that everyone on this forum wants consistent characters with their own personality it seems hardly fair to blame Witcher for having exactly that.
This should be followed by an angry GET OFF MY LAWN!!!Suprez30 wrote...
Today roleplaying game consist of..
- Quest Giver - You can't miss them anymore.All npc that can give you quest will have a big ! .It's expensive to create sidequest . So because of it we make sure you won't miss any of them.Make sure to do all of em like a good boy.!They will always give you experience .It's important when everything level scale with you.
- Questing - Searching?Ppff overrated . Now we will introduce a BIG X at the end of each linear map .No more game where you struggle to find what you need to do.
- Challenge - Complicated set of armor?Weird statistic?Improvisation?Completly useless .We will make thing very simple for you .You level up ,enemy drop better loot .. and well .. 'Ahem' Let's move on.
No need to get money for that dragonbone armor in the adventurer mart shop that would help you against that Red Dragon that keep kicking your ass.Noo , Noo , nooo!!Just do the quest you can do because we will never give you quest that you can't do.Everything will level up with you !!! 'Geez that make no sense lol'
- Dungeons .. You mean Dungeons?Those place where we used to make you explore with deadly traps and evil beast at each corner and with puzzle to solve?
Way to complicated .. We don't want you to think . .We want you to *WATCH* our expensive cinematic after each combat that you .... did you actually play?
Saphara wrote...
Good luck to TW2, but a huge part of me wants to see it fall flat on its face like DA2 did. *evil smile*
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