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[PaganOak]

QuadDamage85 wrote...

It'll probably come out April 29th at 11:59 P.M. PST. Just saying.

ahuhauaha xD

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Any chance the patch will be out before April 30?

Considering you need to launch DA2 to redeem that nice ME2 download Bioware has offered, that'd be swell.

You don't need to launch DA2 again, you just need to have activated your "Online Pass" (which opened the Black Emporium for you) at some time in the past.

After that, you can follow the instructions on http://bioware.social.com/ME2offer and start at Step 4, to get the ME2 code, then go to the EA Download Manager to get the game. 

Don't need to be playing DA2 at all to do this.

*adds a little ME2 symbol to her array of forum buttons*

[JediMB]

vicendor wrote...

That guy is a tool...the 30 and 60 are the same...the human eye cannont tell the difference and if you can your only thinking they look different...they are the same at least to the human eye:whistle:

People have been through this already, and explained why your statement isn't accurate.

...Now, personally, looking at the 30 and 60 fps animations, I can detect a difference in fluidity.

But the 30 fps animation looks just fine on its own, and I'd never guess that it was running at anything lower than 60 fps if I didn't have the other animation to compare it to.

[kingrasmus]

i was wondering bioware is there any chance that the patch will be realest this week?

[PaganOak]

kingrasmus wrote...

i was wondering bioware is there any chance that the patch will be realest this week?

Yeah! there's any?

[emperorgizka]

Checking these forums really is a pain. I should just assume that bioware games are released about a year later than they actually are. It'd probably be better that way. Cheaper, too...

[TallBearNC]

Mongoose22 wrote...

Frumyfrenzy wrote...

herwin1 wrote...

vania z wrote...

"Just a quick note to say that any frame rate above 30 is impossible for the human eye to detect. So 40, 50, hell 120 is"
eye is a lot faster.

Actually, any frame rate above about 30 fps is too fast for the visual system to respond to. Audition can sense 100 nanosecond jitter, but the visual system simply doesn't perceive more than 25-30 frames per second. The neurone dynamics in the system smooth things on a 30-40 msec time scale.

Here is a nice visual comparison of 15 vs 30 vs 60 fps. 60 fps is much smoother than 30 fps, in my gaming experience too.  www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html

First, why is this discussion in the patch update thread?

Anyway, this is sort of a loaded question.  The human eye can't detect the changing of the frames themselves past something like 24 FPS; that is, you can't detect flickering as the frames are flipped.  However, the eye can easily detect motion stuttering in games at 30 or 60 FPS because of the lack of motion blur.  The eye can't detect the frames switching, but without motion blur the eye can easily see that there's a empty gap between a fast-moving object that went from one side of the screen to the other in a frame.  Movies get away with lower frame rate because the film captures that blur when the shot is taken, so the frame in a movie would have a smear across the screen where the object went, and the eye would interpret that as motion.  Without the blur, the eye sees an object teleport from point A to point B.  But the higher the frame rate in games, the less the object moves in between frames, so the teleport effect gets less and less noticeable.  Conversely, the faster objects move in games, the higher the frame rate needs to be to convey smooth motion.

Nopt correct at all.

I can DEFINATELY detect 24 vs 30 as 24 seems "choppy" to me in computer game and 30 is fairly smooth, and I can EASILY see teh difference between 30 vs 60.. and I can see some difference between 60 vs 120.

Computer games are not seen by the eye in the same way TVs and Movies are done (see below article)


amo.net/NT/02-21-01FPS.html is a good read up on the human eye and FPS  It was written 10 yrs ago. So there will be things like "games can't do motion blur yet", but what the human eye can't/can do is still very accurate.

Modifié par TallBearNC, 06 avril 2011 - 12:31 .

[kingrasmus]

can you ppl pls stop posting about frame rate and fps on this thread this thread is for patch uppdate news not frame rate.

[Antchuck]

kingrasmus wrote...

can you ppl pls stop posting about frame rate and fps on this thread this thread is for patch uppdate news not frame rate.

You do know frame rate and fps is the same thing? =P

Back on topic. All the wait for my game to be playable will probably make me less likely to preorder or even buy next Bioware title early. (Save MS3, seems they can get pseudo-RPG shooter right). Good job Bioware, good job... [/sarcasm]

On the other hand it's not the worst in the industry. Some games are getting "expansions", "patches" and "enhanced editions" that make them finally playable years after launch >__>

[PSUHammer]

Antchuck wrote...

kingrasmus wrote...

can you ppl pls stop posting about frame rate and fps on this thread this thread is for patch uppdate news not frame rate.

You do know frame rate and fps is the same thing? =P

Back on topic. All the wait for my game to be playable will probably make me less likely to preorder or even buy next Bioware title early. (Save MS3, seems they can get pseudo-RPG shooter right). Good job Bioware, good job... [/sarcasm]

On the other hand it's not the worst in the industry. Some games are getting "expansions", "patches" and "enhanced editions" that make them finally playable years after launch >__>

"The Witcher"...ahem.  

[PSUHammer]

Inarborat wrote...

Yes, a much smaller studio with less money putting out free content updates.  That's just horrible.  TW must have used a really poor engine..oh wait.

How many Bioware points is this patch going to cost?  And, are they patching in fun?

Now, now, no need to be irrational.  They (Bioware) haven't charged for a patch before.  And the Witcher was unplayable for me in it's original form.  I couldn't get into it until they released the Enhanced Edition, which was essesntially a huge patch.

Patience is a virtue lacking, these days.  Granted, the industry does promote impatience by rewarding preorders.  But if you are a PC gamer, you know that patches are a part of life.  Otherwise, you need to choose another hobby.

I think we all agree this game should have been kept in house for another month or two of game testing, but it is out and a patch is on the way.  Now, time for me to move on to Shogun 2 until the patch is out!

Modifié par Hammer6767, 06 avril 2011 - 03:09 .

[UltimoCrofto]

Hammer6767 wrote...

 Now, time for me to move on to Shogun 2 until the patch is out!

Sounds good, 'cept I'm waiting for a patch for that to come out before I play it too. 

Don't get me wrong - it works and runs fine for me, but I'd like to wait before starting a new campaign to see what changes -- if any -- they bring in. Same with Civ V.

Basically I'm sat waiting here for 3 PC games to be patched before I can start gaming again. 

[rax23]

Waiting for the patch,to replay the game.Waiting is kinda annoying.Hope for the end of this week.Fingers crossed.

[Luke Barrett]

Please try to keep the discussion on topic (I'm looking at you, framerate people <_<).

As for the patch, it's out of our hands now so it all depends how quickly the 1st partys certify it. That said, based on my experience with such processes, I would say while it's *possible* that you could see it this week, next week is much more likely (and I'm 95% sure it won't be over the weekend)

Modifié par Luke Barrett, 06 avril 2011 - 04:23 .

[Dr.Goodspeed]

Luke Barrett wrote...

Please try to keep the discussion on topic (I'm looking at you, framerate people <_<).

As for the patch, it's out of our hands now so it all depends how quickly the 1st partys certify it. That said, based on my experience with such processes, I would say while it's *possible* that you could see it this week, next week is much more likely (and I'm 95% sure it won't be over the weekend)

Luke you're the best! 

[Nukenin]

Luke Barrett wrote...

Please try to keep the discussion on topic (I'm looking at you, framerate people <_<).

As for the patch, it's out of our hands now so it all depends how quickly the 1st partys certify it. That said, based on my experience with such processes, I would say while it's *possible* that you could see it this week, next week is much more likely (and I'm 95% sure it won't be over the weekend)

So it'll be coming over the weekend?  :innocent:

Will the patch be 30fps or 60fps or even greater?  How will it display if I've got an LCD monitor that is fixed at 60Hz?  Can I skip frames or elect to run the patch on only odd-numbered frames divisible by 7?  

Will the patch… hurt?  

(ObEvilDwarfDisclaimer)

[SimJoseph7]

Luke Barrett wrote...

Please try to keep the discussion on topic (I'm looking at you, framerate people <_<).

As for the patch, it's out of our hands now so it all depends how quickly the 1st partys certify it. That said, based on my experience with such processes, I would say while it's *possible* that you could see it this week, next week is much more likely (and I'm 95% sure it won't be over the weekend)

This is what I love about your posts. It gives an honest timeframe. If you miss it by 2 or 3 weeks, I wouldn't hold it against you (of course I would be dissapointed but without your estimate I'd be even MORE dissappointed).

Thanks Luke.

Joseph

[kingrasmus]

Luke Barrett wrote...

Please try to keep the discussion on topic (I'm looking at you, framerate people <_<).

As for the patch, it's out of our hands now so it all depends how quickly the 1st partys certify it. That said, based on my experience with such processes, I would say while it's *possible* that you could see it this week, next week is much more likely (and I'm 95% sure it won't be over the weekend)

thx Luke for the uppdate

[BlackMamba9000]

Luke Barrett wrote...

Please try to keep the discussion on topic (I'm looking at you, framerate people <_<).

As for the patch, it's out of our hands now so it all depends how quickly the 1st partys certify it. That said, based on my experience with such processes, I would say while it's *possible* that you could see it this week, next week is much more likely (and I'm 95% sure it won't be over the weekend)

Luke FTW

[Seifz]

Luke Barrett wrote...

Please try to keep the discussion on topic (I'm looking at you, framerate people <_<).

As for the patch, it's out of our hands now so it all depends how quickly the 1st partys certify it. That said, based on my experience with such processes, I would say while it's *possible* that you could see it this week, next week is much more likely (and I'm 95% sure it won't be over the weekend)

Aren't you the "first party" for the PC patch?  Isn't the PC patch supposedly not being held up by the console certification people?

... Does it fix the guest account error?  It's been a month, man!  I wanna play!

[Luke Barrett]

Seifz wrote...
Aren't you the "first party" for the PC patch?  Isn't the PC patch supposedly not being held up by the console certification people?

Depends on exactly what you consider 'first party' I suppose. We (BioWare) have to send all 3 platforms through certification with EA and the console ones also have to pass Microsoft and Sony, respectively, as well (this happens simultaneously).

[boenk]

luke, do you have any info on nvidia _finally_ releasing non-beta drivers that are not 3 months old?

[Ruben Thomas]

Luke Barrett wrote...

Seifz wrote...
Aren't you the "first party" for the PC patch?  Isn't the PC patch supposedly not being held up by the console certification people?

Depends on exactly what you consider 'first party' I suppose. We (BioWare) have to send all 3 platforms through certification with EA and the console ones also have to pass Microsoft and Sony, respectively, as well (this happens simultaneously).

Well that's good news at least for PC players, it means that unless EA delays the certification of or withholds the PC patch for no real reason, the PC patch will be out sooner then the console ones.

If EA does however, then that is not BioWare's fault at all.

Regardless thank you for the information, you're very forthcoming and honest Luke, one of the best BioWare reps they could have put on the forums I bet. I hope you get a raise!

[Mongoose22]

Luke Barrett wrote...

Seifz wrote...
Aren't you the "first party" for the PC patch?  Isn't the PC patch supposedly not being held up by the console certification people?

Depends on exactly what you consider 'first party' I suppose. We (BioWare) have to send all 3 platforms through certification with EA and the console ones also have to pass Microsoft and Sony, respectively, as well (this happens simultaneously).

So in other words, while the PC version has to go through less certifications, since the cert teams are all working in parallel, the PC patch won't necessarily be released any faster than the console versions if EA cert takes the longest.