Lithuasil wrote...
I'm referring to two different, seperate arguments, that are brought up in all these discussions:
a) The Qunari were only pushed back 300 years ago, because they lacked numbers
When the Qunari invade, there's lots of people willfully embracing the qun
I believe this is adressed to me.
First of all, I said "one of their weaknesses" is lack of numbers, something one codex points out. I didn't say it was the only or most important weakness that caused their defeat.
Second, I never said that a huge number of people convert to the Qun. What I said was that many do convert and are sincere about it. And we do not have any indication that what the Qunari did in DA2, aka allow elven supporters to fight, is reproduced 300 years earlier during the wars. The Arishok was in a different position and may have been more flexible with the idea. Or the Qunari may have used converts as cannon fodder. We can't know exactly until we have more info on the issue.
If it is going to boil down to one reason as to why the Qunari lost, it's magic. And no, the Qunari don't use their mages often and they were not as good as Thedas mages.
"The [Qunari] attack on Starkhaven eventually failed, but Kirkwall was attacked in a daring night raid where the Qunari used their leashed saarebas mages
in an unprecedented display of sorcery. The walls were torn down
and the city was taken, and for the next four years, Kirkwall endured the most brutal occupation in its history.
-From Kirkwall: The City of Chains, by Brother Genitivi, 9:24 Dragon"
And
"The greatest advantage that the Chantry-led forces had against the qunari was, in fact, the Circle of Magi. For all their technology, the qunari appeared to harbor a great hatred for all things magical. They possessed mages, but these were little better than animals kept on leashes… and
none of the qunari mages possessed anywhere near the skill that the Circle’s mages had. Faced with cannons, the Chantry responded with lightning and balls of fire and it proved effective indeed."
- an excerpt from “Tales of the Destruction of Thedas” by Brother Genitivi, Chantry Scholar"
These two codex entries seem to indicate that the Qunari use of magic was limited, and they were not on the same level of Thedas mages who were used en masse and were more powerful.
That would be what I would consider the major reason for their defeat, until more info is revealed. But it seems pretty clear that the tide only turned when the Qunari were faced with magic.
What I was arguing is against the pretty unreasonable idea that the Qunari just suck in everything and are completely incompetent. That doesn't mean I think they are invincible.
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