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[Auroras]

The Angry One wrote...

Super Ultra Meredith eats the Arishok alive.
Normal Meredith struggles a bit for using a 1 handed sword with no shield, but still wins because the Arishok is a big clumsy oaf.

The lesson? Don't pick your military leaders based oh who's born when.

Trufax.

Whenever he would do that superspeed thing (and Hawke would evade him), he would end up crashing head first into a wall. 

I lol'd many times during that fight.

[Kagura_Hakubi]

Eh? He did a superspeed thing?

I guess I was too busy planting knives in his torment-hexed backside to notice.

Meredith... I have no idea how hard fighting her was meant to be, I took three mages into the final battle and just brittle-disoriented everything until it fell down.

[sheppard7]

QuintusVolcae wrote...

Arishok, because he alone can dual wield 2, count em' TWO double-handed weapons. Plus, at the stage where Meredith dosen't have her big glowy sword. the Arishok slits her throat with the little pointy bit on his axe. Nuf' said.

People bring up at that stage, Hawke isn't as strong. But that also shows nobody is. So Meredith would be even more SOFTER than she is at the end. And she didn't have the blade yet. So if her weapon improved, the Arishok would as well. He would have taken that sword she got, turned it backwards, and gave her an insert she's been long without as you can tell by the look on her face.

The StayPuffMarshmellow Man would have been a tougher final act boss fight.

[The Angry One]

And how do you know the Arishok isn't at the peak of his power? Don't make excuses.
I like how you dismiss Meredith's years of experience and skill that lead her to be Knight-Commander by merit unlike the Arishok's pre-ordained path.
Oh yeah and I'd like to see how the Arishok would fare 10 vs. 1. He's already trivial with a party of 4.

Lastly, behold the mighty skill of your precious alpha male Arishok.



Oops.

[Tainan7509]

Hey how about ARW vs Meredith? I'm sure it will be fair in comparison.

[sheppard7]

The Angry One wrote...

And how do you know the Arishok isn't at the peak of his power? Don't make excuses.
I like how you dismiss Meredith's years of experience and skill that lead her to be Knight-Commander by merit unlike the Arishok's pre-ordained path.
Oh yeah and I'd like to see how the Arishok would fare 10 vs. 1. He's already trivial with a party of 4.

Meredith did nothing until she got a sword. Just ran her mouth. And how do you know he wasn't at the peak of his power? You don't.

It was the Meredith crowd that brought up the "at that stage, Hawke wasn't as strong" bit. So maybe you should tell them that, hm?

Meredith hit my Hawke and I barely noticed.

Modifié par sheppard7, 03 avril 2011 - 02:57 .

[The Angry One]

sheppard7 wrote...

Meredith did nothing until she got a sword. Just ran her mouth. And how do you know he wasn't at the peak of his power? You don't.

Prove it.

It was the Meredith crowd that brought up the "at that stage, Hawke wasn't as strong" bit. So maybe you should tell them that, hm?

Tell them what? Hawke wasn't as strong. Fact.
If the only thing you can come up with is to meta-game the idea that the Arishok must scale with Hawke, give it up.

Meredith hit my Hawke and I barely noticed.

Because high end gear and the support of up to 9 or so npcs had nothing to do with it.
P.S. My Hawke barely noticed the Arishok in party mode.

[sheppard7]

The Angry One wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Meredith did nothing until she got a sword. Just ran her mouth. And how do you know he wasn't at the peak of his power? You don't.

Prove it.

It was the Meredith crowd that brought up the "at that stage, Hawke wasn't as strong" bit. So maybe you should tell them that, hm?

Tell them what? Hawke wasn't as strong. Fact.
If the only thing you can come up with is to meta-game the idea that the Arishok must scale with Hawke, give it up.

Meredith hit my Hawke and I barely noticed.

Because high end gear and the support of up to 9 or so npcs had nothing to do with it.
P.S. My Hawke barely noticed the Arishok in party mode.

Really brillant. You said we don't know if the Arishok would have gotten stronger then say I have to prove it when you THINK otherwise? Contradict much? She did NOTHING in the game without the sword.

If this is going to be like that childish type "I can say any opinion but you can't", then it's a waste. Have fun.

Modifié par sheppard7, 03 avril 2011 - 03:06 .

[The Angry One]

sheppard7 wrote...

Really brillant. You said we don't know if the Arishok would have gotten stronger then say I have to prove it when you THINK otherwise? Contradict much?

Contradict what? You made the claim that the Arishok would meta-game scale in strength, so back it up.

She did NOTHING in the game without the sword.

Except SAVE HAWKE'S LIFE.

If this is going to be like that childish type "I can say any opinion but you can't", then it's a waste. Have fun.

You have the right to an opinion, however I have the right to poke holes in it.

[sheppard7]

The Angry One wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Really brillant. You said we don't know if the Arishok would have gotten stronger then say I have to prove it when you THINK otherwise? Contradict much?

Contradict what? You made the claim that the Arishok would meta-game scale in strength, so back it up.

She did NOTHING in the game without the sword.

Except SAVE HAWKE'S LIFE.

If this is going to be like that childish type "I can say any opinion but you can't", then it's a waste. Have fun.

You have the right to an opinion, however I have the right to poke holes in it.

Back it up. Okay. You think Bioware would have had the SAME level of difficulty on him in Act 3 with a stronger Hawke? Seriously? You think Bioware is that dumb? Really? Really? Bioware, this poster thinks you would have given us a stronger Hawke against that same level Arishok we have already. I think even the strongest complainers against Bioware didn't even go to that level.

[sheppard7]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

Crazy Meredith wins, no contest. The fight was easier but you had an entire party + a bunch of extra allies, and by the end of act 3 you probably have access to a few more CCCs. Fighting the Arishok and his retinue with just your basic party isn't much of a challenge either.

According to another poster, you can't use the "by the end of act 3" part of your post. Can you prove Arishok wouldn't be stronger? That's the new rules.

[The Angry One]

sheppard7 wrote...

Back it up. Okay. You think Bioware would have had the SAME level of difficulty on him in Act 3 with a stronger Hawke? Seriously? You think Bioware is that dumb? Really? Really? Bioware, this poster thinks you would have given us a stronger Hawke against that same level Arishok we have already. I think even the strongest complainers against Bioware didn't even go to that level.

And again you're meta-gaming in a story related thread.
You ignore the fact that Hawke is stronger IN THE STORY. 3 years older, more experienced, better resources.

Not that you know anything about gameplay anyway, since you can't tell the difference between 10 on 1 and 1 on 1.

[sheppard7]

The Angry One wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Back it up. Okay. You think Bioware would have had the SAME level of difficulty on him in Act 3 with a stronger Hawke? Seriously? You think Bioware is that dumb? Really? Really? Bioware, this poster thinks you would have given us a stronger Hawke against that same level Arishok we have already. I think even the strongest complainers against Bioware didn't even go to that level.

And again you're meta-gaming in a story related thread.
You ignore the fact that Hawke is stronger IN THE STORY. 3 years older, more experienced, better resources.

Not that you know anything about gameplay anyway, since you can't tell the difference between 10 on 1 and 1 on 1.

And you're ignoring that the Arishok would not have been the same or the fight would have only last 2 seconds. So Bioware would not have made him the same against a higher level Hawke.

And how did you fight Meredith? There were moments I was alone with her while those giant robot things had the group preoccupied on my playthroughs and still NO trouble. Health barely moved.

[The Angry One]

sheppard7 wrote...

And you're ignoring that the Arishok would not have been the same or the fight would have only last 2 seconds. So Bioware would not have made him the same against a higher level Hawke.

Storywise.

And how did you fight Meredith? There were moments I was alone with her while those giant robot things had the group preoccupied on my playthroughs and still NO trouble. Health barely moved.

Because group auras and such don't factor into this right?
Again, I barely noticed the Arishok while in a group, he's only significant 1 on 1 and even then most of his attacks are easily avoidable.

[DeathStride]

Honestly, as badass as Meredith is when she's not in crazy-b*tch mode(at which point she just gets a ton of HP and puts out almost no damage), as badass as she is, without the lyrium-saber she really can't take on the Arishok 1 on 1. Compare her boss battle to the Arishok duel where every hit is deadly and you're running like a pansy most of the time. There's just way too much strength differential between the two.

Heck, the Arishok could probably shatter her normal blade if he brought down both his axe and sword down on her as she parried, assuming she even had the strength to parry vertical blows of that magnitude.

EDIT: and before anyone mentions that Meredith's was a party battle, I'll have you know that my party fighting the minions/statues etc almost the entire time until her health was almost gone anyway, my Hawke was the one taking and giving the hits with Meredith(no party auras and other party bonuses active).

Modifié par DeathStride, 03 avril 2011 - 03:27 .

[The Angry One]

DeathStride wrote...

Heck, the Arishok could probably shatter her normal blade if he brought down both his axe and sword down on her as she parried, assuming she even had the strength to parry vertical blows of that magnitude.

The Arishok's strength is balanced by his slowness and clumsiness.

[sheppard7]

The Angry One wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

And you're ignoring that the Arishok would not have been the same or the fight would have only last 2 seconds. So Bioware would not have made him the same against a higher level Hawke.

Storywise.

And how did you fight Meredith? There were moments I was alone with her while those giant robot things had the group preoccupied on my playthroughs and still NO trouble. Health barely moved.

Because group auras and such don't factor into this right?
Again, I barely noticed the Arishok while in a group, he's only significant 1 on 1 and even then most of his attacks are easily avoidable.

Act 2 boss vs Act 3 boss and you think that's a comparision?

[The Angry One]

sheppard7 wrote...

Act 2 boss vs Act 3 boss and you think that's a comparision?

Sigh. You're hopeless. Nevermind.

[sheppard7]

DeathStride wrote...

Honestly, as badass as Meredith is when she's not in crazy-b*tch mode(at which point she just gets a ton of HP and puts out almost no damage), as badass as she is, without the lyrium-saber she really can't take on the Arishok 1 on 1. Compare her boss battle to the Arishok duel where every hit is deadly and you're running like a pansy most of the time. There's just way too much strength differential between the two.

Heck, the Arishok could probably shatter her normal blade if he brought down both his axe and sword down on her as she parried, assuming she even had the strength to parry vertical blows of that magnitude.

Without the sword, she's just a broad that hasn't gotten romanced. Totally soft.

[Rifneno]

sheppard7 wrote...

She did NOTHING in the game without the sword.

She did not have the lyrium demonblade at the end of Act II.  This is the same point where she easily decapitates a qunari.  She also impaled him.  Completely impaled, as in like a foot or two of her sword was sticking out the other end.  We see for an absolute fact that even without the slavestatue sword she can slice up a qunari without breaking a sweat.

[Lithuasil]

DeathStride wrote...

Honestly, as badass as Meredith is when she's not in crazy-b*tch mode(at which point she just gets a ton of HP and puts out almost no damage), as badass as she is, without the lyrium-saber she really can't take on the Arishok 1 on 1. Compare her boss battle to the Arishok duel where every hit is deadly and you're running like a pansy most of the time. There's just way too much strength differential between the two.

Heck, the Arishok could probably shatter her normal blade if he brought down both his axe and sword down on her as she parried, assuming she even had the strength to parry vertical blows of that magnitude.

If we're arguing lore, not gameplay, that doesn't make the arishok any faster. It means however, that he looses the twenty qunari worth of hitpoints he has hidden somewhere inside his chest. Meaning it's still as easy for Meredith to dodge his blows, but her sword has plenty of effect on the insufficiently armored qunari body (see what happens to the saarebas?)

[sheppard7]

The Angry One wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Act 2 boss vs Act 3 boss and you think that's a comparision?

Sigh. You're hopeless. Nevermind.

So I'll take that as you think it is fair to say what Meredith (who we see NOTHING from before the boss fight) would do to a guy we face several levels earlier. Prove what Act 2 Meredith is capable of then. Since you started the "prove it"-blah blah blah.

[The Angry One]

sheppard7 wrote...

Without the sword, she's just a broad that hasn't gotten romanced. Totally soft.

A "broad" who cuts your manly, manly Qunari like butter.

[The Angry One]

sheppard7 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Act 2 boss vs Act 3 boss and you think that's a comparision?

Sigh. You're hopeless. Nevermind.

So I'll take that as you think it is fair to say what Meredith (who we see NOTHING from before the boss fight) would do to a guy we face several levels earlier. Prove what Act 2 Meredith is capable of then. Since you started the "prove it"-blah blah blah.

Except we do see something, not my fault that you forget and that you continue to meta-game through a storyline topic.
And since you've revealed that you're arguing from a standpoint of misogyny, I don't give rat's ass what you say.

[sheppard7]

Rifneno wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

She did NOTHING in the game without the sword.

She did not have the lyrium demonblade at the end of Act II.  This is the same point where she easily decapitates a qunari.  She also impaled him.  Completely impaled, as in like a foot or two of her sword was sticking out the other end.  We see for an absolute fact that even without the slavestatue sword she can slice up a qunari without breaking a sweat.

Hawke did things to scrub Qunari before the Arishok too. Everyone did. My dog did too. But when it was time to face the 'Shok, where was Meredith? Not going near him.

And what did Orsino (sp?) do to a TON of them if you picked the distraction option? So that means Orsino > Meredith?

Modifié par sheppard7, 03 avril 2011 - 03:32 .