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[sheppard7]

Lithuasil wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...
And my opinion is the 'Shok would win. People have said the strength vs speed thing and how speed would win. Not always. Think boxing. If that's true, Mike Tyson would never have won the title. I know you can turn around and said if strength always won then Ali wouldn't have either. There's other skills than just that simple involved as to who can fight "their fight". If you say Meredith could survive melee range in the fight, then I know you are just trying to troll. Only thing I can't say Meredith would have the range advantage because does she have real range (outside of sword range) in Act 2? And that crazy vertical leaping I don't see her doing that without her version of the light sabre. So her leaping was just her using the Force I guess. Meredith was a sith lord I guess.

Are you listening to what I've been writing for two entire pages, have you ever been in anything resembling a swordfight, or are *you* just trying to troll? :|

If Meredith is the alpha and omega in sword play in your mind, then you must not have ever been yourself.

And all of you have been saying how the 'Shok is more clumsy brawler which is why I pulled up boxing. I guess that went over you.

[Lithuasil]

sheppard7 wrote...

If Meredith is the alpha and omega in sword play in your mind, then you must not have ever been yourself.

And all of you have been saying how the 'Shok is more clumsy brawler which is why I pulled up boxing. I guess that went over you.

What I've been saying is, someone who is stupid enough to equip himself the way the Arishok does 
a) Doesn't know **** about swordplay
Is only remotely effective against a battle line
c) will get utterly destroyed in a fair duel, by any even remotely competent swordsman, as long as said swordsman manages to keep his nerves.

Meredith doesn't need to be an exceptional fencer. She needs to know the basic lessons, and not get paralyzed by fear at the sight of angry qunari (the likes of which she's been slaying for an hour).

[KJandrew]

I do historical re-enactments and i've seen a smaller faster person being dominated by a bigger person dozens of times, though it's generally weapon and shield vs weapon and shield so i'm not sure how 2hd vs Dual wielding would go

[Lithuasil]

KJandrew wrote...

I do historical re-enactments and i've seen a smaller faster person being dominated by a bigger person dozens of times, though it's generally weapon and shield vs weapon and shield so i'm not sure how 2hd vs Dual wielding would go

SnB is a different matter alltogether - Shield versus Shield is decided by who can keep his guard up longer (stamina) or who can pull of a successful bullrush and kick the other off balance (strength). Naturally, someone physically fit is going to excell.

Point is, for anything other then straightout berserking, (which gets you killed), two long weapons are even *less* effective then sheathing one of them, or simply dropping it.

[Lithuasil]

Filament wrote...

The arishok can lift a grown man in full plate armor and both of their weapons with one arm, I'm not sure conventional rules of what would be too tiresome to wield apply to him. (apparently that's not the only way qunari physically excel, Sten survived in that cage without food or water for an inordinate amount of time while remaining in good fighting condition, as I recall)

It's not about what's tiresome. Unless we attribute a sense of balance and hand-eye coordination ten times better then any human to the Qunari (which we have no reason to do), there's no way of fighting with two long blades, without getting in your own way, or striking in an obvious pattern. Both things can easily be exploited to a deadly end, by any half decently trained swordsman.

[The Angry One]

sheppard7 wrote...

And this post just shows you really don't read posts. I acknowledged that. Notice what I said about Ali? I said it was more than just fighting one style then just relying on strength or speed.

I didn't address that because it's irrelevant to this discussion - the Arishok's fighting style relies entirely on strength, it relies on the massive force of his weapons and his body.
Look at his attacks, do you see any agility or flexibility in them at all? He is slow, cumbersome and strong and that is all he is.

[Lithuasil]

Filament wrote...

You have mentioned how it would be exhausting a few times, but now it's not about that?

I mentioned that trying to keep someone at a distance like this (i.e wailing into open air) is excessively more tiring, then dodging his blows is, and that such a tactic would most likely annul the advantage of stamina he has, yes. Unless you're telling me the Arishok is in fact a golem, and not made of flesh. If he's an organic being, he has a threshold. I don't know where that is, neither do you. What I can say, is that certain fighting styles are much more exhausting then others.

[KJandrew]

The Arishok has range on his side he doesn't need to be chasing her around. He can just stand his ground and wait for her to come to him. And to do that she has to come into his range before he's in her's

[The Angry One]

KJandrew wrote...

The Arishok has range on his side he doesn't need to be chasing her around. He can just stand his ground and wait for her to come to him. And to do that she has to come into his range before he's in her's

To paraphrase Garrus, that assumes his reach beats her flexibility.

[Lithuasil]

KJandrew wrote...

The Arishok has range on his side he doesn't need to be chasing her around. He can just stand his ground and wait for her to come to him. And to do that she has to come into his range before he's in her's

This would be true, if the Arishok was armed sensibly. As it is, he brought two weapons, that require to be swung in a wide arc, and both (unlike a swordbreaker or dagger) require the other to be out of the way first. In other words, any swing he makes creates a perfect opening, to step forward, and simply stab his unarmored chest. Even if that thrust fail to be lethal, you're now close enough to render both his weapons practically useless.

[KJandrew]

The Arishok's weapons can stab one's a sword and even the axe has a pointy end

[The Angry One]

KJandrew wrote...

The Arishok's weapons can stab one's a sword and even the axe has a pointy end

You realise how slow, cumbersome and impractical it is to stab with a greatsword even if you use two hands?

[KJandrew]

Well then it seems the arishok's best option is to just drop the sword and axe and just try pummelling Meredith to death

[The Angry One]

KJandrew wrote...

Well then it seems the arishok's best option is to just drop the sword and axe and just try pummelling Meredith to death

Probably.

[Lithuasil]

KJandrew wrote...

The Arishok's weapons can stab one's a sword and even the axe has a pointy end

The end of his sword is *flat*. But even ignoring the fact that neither weapon could effectively be utilized for thrusting, they're both too long, and him having both hands full means a correctly deflected thrust will create an even bigger opening, the chance to get to his back, and several potential blows to his chest/hip that he can't dodge/parry because the thrusting arm is shielding you from his second weapon.

[expanding panic]

The Arishock kicked my A**. Meredith was no problem for me. I think the Arishock would be more in control during a battle and able to think ahead while Meredith seemed to be rush in and swing away.
So for me it would be the Arishock

[Lithuasil]

KJandrew wrote...

Well then it seems the arishok's best option is to just drop the sword and axe and just try pummelling Meredith to death

Actually, this. Provided he's faster then he is in game, and lucky/extraordinarily skilled in hand to hand combat, simply rushing her, taking/catching her blade once, and grappling her, is his best option.

[The Angry One]

Mind you that'd be a superior tactic for most Qunari instead of their stupid spears.

[Lithuasil]

The Angry One wrote...

Mind you that'd be a superior tactic for most Qunari instead of their stupid spears.

Sending spearmen without shields or sidearms, in loose formations, is totally a sensible military tactic. If your country happens to suffer from severe overpopulation.

[KJandrew]

And they wouldn't have to worry about losing their weapons if they just used their hands

[KJandrew]

Lithuasil wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Mind you that'd be a superior tactic for most Qunari instead of their stupid spears.

Sending spearmen without shields or sidearms, in loose formations, is totally a sensible military tactic. If your country happens to suffer from severe overpopulation.

Maybe they lost most their armour and shields in the shipwreck?
And any way they have horns they don't have to confrom to our silly rules about how to win

Modifié par KJandrew, 03 avril 2011 - 11:45 .

[Lithuasil]

KJandrew wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Mind you that'd be a superior tactic for most Qunari instead of their stupid spears.

Sending spearmen without shields or sidearms, in loose formations, is totally a sensible military tactic. If your country happens to suffer from severe overpopulation.

Maybe they lost most their armour and shields in the shipwreck?

Outside Javelin throwing (in itself about as effective in a battle as swearing), there's exactly ONE application for spears that short. BOAR HUNTING.