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[The Angry One]

Lithuasil wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Mind you that'd be a superior tactic for most Qunari instead of their stupid spears.

Sending spearmen without shields or sidearms, in loose formations, is totally a sensible military tactic. If your country happens to suffer from severe overpopulation.

Maybe they lost most their armour and shields in the shipwreck?

Outside Javelin throwing (in itself about as effective in a battle as swearing), there's exactly ONE application for spears that short. BOAR HUNTING. 

Bas = boars don't you know!

[DeathStride]

@Lithuasil: Might I ask where your experience sword-fighting/dueling comes from? (Honest question, not sarcasm)

[KJandrew]

Lithuasil wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Mind you that'd be a superior tactic for most Qunari instead of their stupid spears.

Sending spearmen without shields or sidearms, in loose formations, is totally a sensible military tactic. If your country happens to suffer from severe overpopulation.

Maybe they lost most their armour and shields in the shipwreck?

Outside Javelin throwing (in itself about as effective in a battle as swearing), there's exactly ONE application for spears that short. BOAR HUNTING. 

Hey Javelin throwing works against massed unarmoured opponents which means if the Qunari ever have a civil war then they have killer tactics

[The Angry One]

KJandrew wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Mind you that'd be a superior tactic for most Qunari instead of their stupid spears.

Sending spearmen without shields or sidearms, in loose formations, is totally a sensible military tactic. If your country happens to suffer from severe overpopulation.

Maybe they lost most their armour and shields in the shipwreck?

Outside Javelin throwing (in itself about as effective in a battle as swearing), there's exactly ONE application for spears that short. BOAR HUNTING. 

Hey Javelin throwing works against massed unarmoured opponents which means if the Qunari ever have a civil war then they have killer tactics

Which would explain the Arishok's huge shoulderpads.
Perhaps it's a popular sport in Par Vollen.

[Lithuasil]

DeathStride wrote...

@Lithuasil: Might I ask where your experience sword-fighting/dueling comes from? (Honest question, not sarcasm)

Seven years of battle reinactment, life roleplay, and historical swordplay-training do that to you

[The Baconer]

I haven't seen anything that implies Meredith is particularly skilled. We do know, however, that she is particularly limp-wristed, even with the Soul Edge. Perhaps Lyrium isn't the best material to craft a sword with.

[Cavalier753]

Let's get this straight.

Meredith is conditioned to mainly fight mages. In the instance she killed that Mage saving Hawke's life, might I remind you that was a Mage, and she SNUCK UP ON HIM.

The qunari usually wear plate armor and such. It says so in the codex. These qunari were just sent to take possession of the relic, not the conquering of a city.

I don't know why they use spears.

Watch the destiny trailer. The Arishok roflstomps those countless guards into the ground with his "slabs of iron".

Meredith does not possess her big Jesus sword which lets her jump incredible heights and animate statues.

The Arishok was a soldier who was a bad-ass at his job. The Qun says that you are given your job and they expect you to do it, but what if you do it so well it means you should get a new job?

Meredith has skill, but so does the Arishok. He is not just, "a big, clumsy, oaf." he is far stronger than Meredith and most undoubtedly has more stamina to be able to plow through 30-40 gaurds without breaking a sweat.

His attacks were designed to be like that to give the player an advantage.

The game never tells you exactly how much experience they both have.

In the end you have a big group that fights Meredith, but she has a big group too. I'd think the groups would fight it out while Hawke pummels Meredith into the gallow's courtyard.

The Angry One, please stop simply insulting people and make a viable argument, instead of simply going, "you're stupid, Arishok is slow, Meredith is fast and blows qunari out of the water. You're stupid." just have an intelligent conversation instead of trolling about.

I believe the Arishok would win because he seems to use those two double-handed weapons just as well if not better as Meredith with her single sword which you barely EVER see her use. One case she sneaks up on a Mage. Second, she has a dozen or so Templars with her and just sits back watching them hold off the qunari guarding the entrance.

Thank you.

[Lithuasil]

QuintusVolcae wrote...
Watch the destiny trailer. The Arishok roflstomps those countless guards into the ground with his "slabs of iron"..

Even assuming we take trailers for face value, but not gameplay, that's exactly what I'm saying. Against badly trained, frightened to death lawkeepers, the "two handed random flailing-fu" is quite effective, if you're that tall. In a duel against somewhat that doesn't wet herself... not so much.

[Cavalier753]

I knew someone was going to call me on the fact that it was a trailer, not gameplay. But the Arishok has most undoubtedly dueled people before, otherwise I doubt he wouldve gotten far with his career.

[Lithuasil]

QuintusVolcae wrote...

I knew someone was going to call me on the fact that it was a trailer, not gameplay. But the Arishok has most undoubtedly dueled people before, otherwise I doubt he wouldve gotten far with his career.

I'm merely asking for consistency - if trailers count, so does gameplay. 

And I don't doubt he has dueled other Qunari before. In other words, people who, like him, hardly know the blunt end from the pointy end. That doesn't speak in his favor, it speaks against his henchmen really.

[Cavalier753]

I never said gameplay dosent count, but maybe others have. If you do that, you're just making the argument more unfair because you're leaving things out. It all depends on EVERYTHING you can do. And who's to say those guards were fearful? It's just one qunari, and they did charge him ( i think ) and you couldn't see their faces or emotions due to the helmets.

[Lithuasil]

I'm jumping to the obvious conclusion that someone who is ill trained, ill equipped, and used to catching thiefs and booting beggars, is going to loose it in a life or death struggle, especially when the enemy is an eight food savage monster.

[Cavalier753]

Not so. If you remember, aveline was training her guards extremely well and was putting 2-3 guards up against 15-20 bandits in back-alleys. Ill equipped, maybe, but definetly not Ill-trained.

[Lithuasil]

QuintusVolcae wrote...

Not so. If you remember, aveline was training her guards extremely well and was putting 2-3 guards up against 15-20 bandits in back-alleys. Ill equipped, maybe, but definetly not Ill-trained.

If we're arguing the numbers as seen in gameplay now, the Arishok and all the qunari in the room where soloed by a girl with a sword, and nowhere near the experience of Meredith -.-

[The Baconer]

Lithuasil wrote...
If we're arguing the numbers as seen in gameplay now, the Arishok and all the qunari in the room where soloed by a girl with a sword, and nowhere near the experience of Meredith -.-

We don't even know just how good Meredith is at fighting in the first place.

[Lithuasil]

The Baconer wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...
If we're arguing the numbers as seen in gameplay now, the Arishok and all the qunari in the room where soloed by a girl with a sword, and nowhere near the experience of Meredith -.-

We don't even know just how good Meredith is at fighting in the first place.

We can safely assume she has more training and experience then at that time 24 y old ladyhawke, though.

[Cavalier753]

Sorry. Didn't really mean to bring numbers into it. Was just trying to prove a point as to how skilled tha guards had been trained.

[The Baconer]

Lithuasil wrote...
We can safely assume she has more training and experience then at that time 24 y old ladyhawke, though.

Perhaps. Her complete lack of any defensive stance during her boss battle makes me a bit skeptical however.

[PantheraOnca]

Lithuasil wrote...

And I don't doubt he has dueled other Qunari before. In other words, people who, like him, hardly know the blunt end from the pointy end. That doesn't speak in his favor, it speaks against his henchmen really.

Yes. They hardly know the blunt end from the pointy end. Its not like they consider their swords to have their souls or anything.

I mean, assuming that all the warrior caste are dumb as rocks, wouldn't the priest caste give them training of some kind or another. These people have gunpowder, cannons, and I think their boats are steam-powered (that last one might be a flight of imagination). You don't come up with that **** without being able to think about things and apply that knowledge.

Do the qunari in this game evidence a scholarly nature? No. I honestly feel that has more to do with any supposedly rushed production than anything. Is there in-world evidence for Qunari being more than mindless thugs? Yes.

Speaking of the soul-in-the-swordyness, we see hardly any qunari use swords, but yet we are told in da:o and this game that their swords are never not at their side. Does this mean they don't have swords? does it mean that da:o was lying? or is it more likely that due to extenuating circumstances, something wasn't the main focus of the plot (qunari military tactics, equipment, and training) didn't get fleshed out as much as the developers might have liked?

[Cavalier753]

That guy knows his swords. ^^^

[KnightofPhoenix]

PantheraOnca wrote...
Speaking of the soul-in-the-swordyness, we see hardly any qunari use swords, but yet we are told in da:o and this game that their swords are never not at their side. Does this mean they don't have swords? does it mean that da:o was lying? or is it more likely that due to extenuating circumstances, something wasn't the main focus of the plot (qunari military tactics, equipment, and training) didn't get fleshed out as much as the developers might have liked?

First, we should just state it clearly that Boware is really really bad at potraying anything relating to military and warfare, ranging from weapons to tactics, to the whole logic of a given battle.

Second, these Qunari may not use swords that much because they are "marines" rather than infantry? Could also explain their lack of armor.

[Cavalier753]

Again, because they were retrieving a book, not preparing for battle.

[The Angry One]

QuintusVolcae wrote...

Meredith is conditioned to mainly fight mages. In the instance she killed that Mage saving Hawke's life, might I remind you that was a Mage, and she SNUCK UP ON HIM.

Again, the standing army of the Chantry is trained to fight more than mages.

The qunari usually wear plate armor and such. It says so in the codex. These qunari were just sent to take possession of the relic, not the conquering of a city.

Right, so not even the Arishok has proper armour for this occassion.
None of the Tal-Vashoth? Really?

Watch the destiny trailer. The Arishok roflstomps those countless guards into the ground with his "slabs of iron".

The trailer is non-canon.

The Arishok was a soldier who was a bad-ass at his job. The Qun says that you are given your job and they expect you to do it, but what if you do it so well it means you should get a new job?

And yet he never displays any competence in anything he does in game.

Meredith has skill, but so does the Arishok. He is not just, "a big, clumsy, oaf." he is far stronger than Meredith and most undoubtedly has more stamina to be able to plow through 30-40 gaurds without breaking a sweat.

And in-game what do we see?

His attacks were designed to be like that to give the player an advantage.

Excuses.

In the end you have a big group that fights Meredith, but she has a big group too. I'd think the groups would fight it out while Hawke pummels Meredith into the gallow's courtyard.

No she doesn't. She occassionally summons statues and at those times she's usually out of the fight herself.

The Angry One, please stop simply insulting people and make a viable argument, instead of simply going, "you're stupid, Arishok is slow, Meredith is fast and blows qunari out of the water. You're stupid." just have an intelligent conversation instead of trolling about.

Since I haven't said that, you're the one who's trolling.

I believe the Arishok would win because he seems to use those two double-handed weapons just as well if not better as Meredith with her single sword which you barely EVER see her use. One case she sneaks up on a Mage. Second, she has a dozen or so Templars with her and just sits back watching them hold off the qunari guarding the entrance.

Thank you.

And yet you JUST made an excuse for the Arishok's attacks "to give an advantage to the player" but now he's using his weapons really well? Hm.

Modifié par The Angry One, 04 avril 2011 - 01:42 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Angry One wrote...
And yet he never displays any competence in anything he does in game.

Let's be fair. Does anyone in Kirkwall display any semblance of competence?
Even Hawke ends up being incompetent.

[ZMJ10]

Arishok! Meredith wasnt even a tough battle compared 2 him.