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[Zulmoka531]

I wanted to let a few arrows loose into his head when he took Bethany though.
Your poor poor siblings in this game...

[AtreiyaN7]

ReallyRue wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

::bursts into thread with an armful of whips and chains::

A BAD TEMPLAR WHO DESERVES TO BE PUNISHED!

::long pause::

This isn't that kind of thread?  Oh.  Well, that's embarrassing.

::slinks out::

Ooh, come back! We can make it that kind of thread!

Well, I can certainly see Cullen as a naughty templar...

[GabranthSG]

I don't think he is actually actively ignoring you being a mage. I mean with you casting spells and throwing fireballs left and right, right in front of his eyes? Even Fenris makes a comment about it after his recruitment mission. Yeah, so he's a pretty bad templar for that. However, just like how the rest of Kirkwall doesn't notice, it's nothing more than just a plothole.

And for those saying that nobles are spared from the circle, Emile de launcet wasn't. I believe Meredith could take the Champion in anytime she wanted.

[Elysis]

But she doesn't, and makes it very clear when you talk to her. The only reason she doesn't take you in is because you are in fact the champion of Kirkwall, and you help the city a great deal.

As for Cullen, I always figured he had the same attitude. I mean, you help him whipe out abominations and what not. And the two of them end up being friends! ^^

[ebidebby]

Cullen is one of my favorites, though! Even after the events of DAO, he still has a soft spot for mages. Well, it's more like he hasn't been brainwashed by the Chantry. Even though my DAO mage ended up with Alistair, I kinda wish she could have had her time with Cullen. I was so worried that the events in the Circle broke him, and I was glad that he was still sane after everything. I was thrilled to see him in DAII, and I like that he has a mind of his own...even if it makes him a less than effective templar.

Modifié par ebidebby, 02 avril 2011 - 01:53 .

[Rhostadt]

Dylandl wrote...

I believe Meredith could take the Champion in anytime she wanted.

I believe she could try...

[leggywillow]

I agree that it's just something about the Amells.  Cullen is powerless against their charms.

DEM AMELLS.

[Sanguinerin]

Personally, I found Cullen to be the most reasonable of all the templars. I love his character.

It was strange, however, when he told me Female Mage Hawke, "mages just aren't normal like you and me" or something to that extent. The sheer lack of acknowledgement in the game when you play as a mage is a bit unsettling. If mages weren't central, I wouldn't mind. However, I feel like they could have been more interesting to play as considering the plotline and how someone might react to you being a mage. A templar confrontation at night with someone going, "we know what you've been up to!" could have at least filled in some of the immersion.

[Goldens]

Cullen? I was in an "Apostate Robe" flinging spells around town as a nobody in in Act 1 and no one cared. ;-)

Cullen is a big softie with no resistance against Amells.

[sphinxess]

If you support the mages - is that fear in his eyes when he takes a few steps back after the Meredith fight?

[Kasces]

PurebredCorn wrote...

Caja wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

::bursts into thread with an armful of whips and chains::

A BAD TEMPLAR WHO DESERVES TO BE PUNISHED!

::long pause::

This isn't that kind of thread?  Oh.  Well, that's embarrassing.

::slinks out::

That made my evening. LOL.

On topic:
Cullen knows that Hawke is a mage. At one point he says something like: "You are probably the only mage who can speak directly with Meredith." I think this line comes up in act 3.
And I asume he doesn't mention Hawkes magical ability earlier, because Hawke isn't a show-off and holds his tongue, so maybe Cullen didn't realize it at first. If so, Cullen isn't more naive than the rest of Kirkwall. I mean citizens are standing by and watch Hawke performe magic all the time. In addition, Hawke never uses magic in front of Cullen until later in the game. And about the staff: I like to pretend that it's not visible somehow, but that's just me.

When the story is about mages then I don't think it's good story telling when you just leave it up to the person playing the game "to fill in the blanks".

On the other hand OP, think about how many times your mage skills should have been noticed not just by Cullen but others as well, and you can understand why maybe Bioware chose to gloss over that part. You being an apostate does get mentioned briefly by Meredith and Cullen but not nearly as much as it should have been considering how strongly they both feel about the subject. I'm guessing Bioware just ran out of time.

So it's not good story telling to let people roleplay inside the story?

[Sundance31us]

"Rule is not served by caging the best of us." Ser Maurevar Carver

[Galagraphia]

sphinxess wrote...

If you support the mages - is that fear in his eyes when he takes a few steps back after the Meredith fight?

No, I think it was respect. I loved that moment. That speechless dialogue:

Hawke: What now?
Cullen: My duty is to arrest you. But since Meredith has proven to be insane, I revoke the right of annulment. Go.
Hawke: Good to know there are reasonable people among the templars. Farewell.
Cullen: May our paths never cross again.

[Lestatman]

I've never liked him either in Origins or DA2 and when he's taking Bethany away I would have been happy to sink my sword into him.

[nodice]

leggywillow wrote...

I agree that it's just something about the Amells.  Cullen is powerless against their charms.

DEM AMELLS.

"Never met her like again...UNTIL NOW."

Cullen's mage fetish is bad indeed. The man likes what he can't get.

[Caja]

PurebredCorn wrote...

Caja wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

::bursts into thread with an armful of whips and chains::

A BAD TEMPLAR WHO DESERVES TO BE PUNISHED!

::long pause::

This isn't that kind of thread?  Oh.  Well, that's embarrassing.

::slinks out::

That made my evening. LOL.

On topic:
Cullen knows that Hawke is a mage. At one point he says something like: "You are probably the only mage who can speak directly with Meredith." I think this line comes up in act 3.
And I asume he doesn't mention Hawkes magical ability earlier, because Hawke isn't a show-off and holds his tongue, so maybe Cullen didn't realize it at first. If so, Cullen isn't more naive than the rest of Kirkwall. I mean citizens are standing by and watch Hawke performe magic all the time. In addition, Hawke never uses magic in front of Cullen until later in the game. And about the staff: I like to pretend that it's not visible somehow, but that's just me.

When the story is about mages then I don't think it's good story telling when you just leave it up to the person playing the game "to fill in the blanks".

On the other hand OP, think about how many times your mage skills should have been noticed not just by Cullen but others as well, and you can understand why maybe Bioware chose to gloss over that part. You being an apostate does get mentioned briefly by Meredith and Cullen but not nearly as much as it should have been considering how strongly they both feel about the subject. I'm guessing Bioware just ran out of time.

All I'm saying is that Cullen knows about Hawke's magical abilities. Maybe he doesn't know about them right from the beginning, but he knows. And I agree with you. Since the story is about a mage-templar-conclict Hawke being an apostate should have had a greater impact. It bothered me that people didn't notice this more often or that they didn't notice it all.

Modifié par Caja, 03 avril 2011 - 12:28 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

The fight scenes can not be taken as reality in any way for this game to work.

If the NPCs could see when Hawke uses magic, then Captain Ewald would have no reason not to inform on Hawke the second (s)he showed off those abilities in the Gallows, before Hawke had any clout to speak of and was simply an apostate Ferelden immigrant trying to sneak into Kirkwall.

There's no reason to believe Cullen knows anything beyond rumor regarding Hawke's use of magic until it has been publicly revealed during the climax of Act II, and by then the title of 'Champion' protects him/her.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 03 avril 2011 - 12:37 .

[Caja]

Aris Ravenstar wrote ...

The fight scenes can not be taken as reality in any way for this game to work.

If the NPCs could see when Hawke uses magic, then Captain Ewald would have no reason not to inform on Hawke the second (s)he showed off those abilities in the Gallows, before Hawke had any clout to speak of and was simply an apostate Ferelden immigrant trying to sneak into Kirkwall.

So, why not letting Ewald inform the templars about Hawke's presence? Hawke/Bethany could have been handed over to the templars at the beginning of the game. And since they are smart they find a way to escape again. Anders escaped seven times after all. 

Or Ewald could have said something like: "Hawke, I see, you are an apostate and I should really turn you in, but since you helped me out of jam right now, I won't."

Instead it is simply ignored most of time. Even in Baldur's Gate 2, where magic was forbidden in the town of Athkatla, there were consequences if you used it anyway without a licence.

There's no reason to believe Cullen knows anything beyond rumor regarding Hawke's use of magic until it has been publicly revealed during the climax of Act II, and by then the title of 'Champion' protects him/her.

As I said, Hawke doesn't use any magic in front of him until later in the game, so Cullen probably doesn't know that Hawke is an apostate right from the beginning. Yes, Hawke's status protects him/her, but I also like to think that Cullen is bending the rules because Hawke helps Kirkwall a great deal.

Modifié par Caja, 03 avril 2011 - 03:13 .

[Sundance31us]

Am I the only one who was grateful that Cullen was the Templar who escorted Bethany to the Circle?

• At least with my Hawk he's a friend (in so much as the game allows).
• He's not recklessly pro-mage (Thrask) or a Templar sadist (Ser Alrik).
• He's aware that Meredith is going off the deep end and is watching the situation carefully.
• Finally and perhaps most importantly he's a gentleman.

That said I choose the aggressive dialogue option just so I can watch Hawk and Cullen posturing before Bethany breaks it up.

[Selenora]

Sundance31us wrote...

Am I the only one who was grateful that Cullen was the Templar who escorted Bethany to the Circle?

• At least with my Hawk he's a friend (in so much as the game allows).
• He's not recklessly pro-mage (Thrask) or a Templar sadist (Ser Alrik).
• He's aware that Meredith is going off the deep end and is watching the situation carefully.
• Finally and perhaps most importantly he's a gentleman.

I like the way you think..oh..yes i do )))

[Caja]

^ ^ I think this might be a misunderstanding. Allow me to explain: With "people" I meant characters in the game. It bothered me that other characters in the game didn't notice it more often that Hawke was an apostate. Critics and player on the other hand did notice  .

Modifié par Caja, 03 avril 2011 - 04:35 .

[errant_knight]

I see All the ignoring of magic from Hawke and company as a game mechanic and a design flaw, not character related. I think we're supposed to handwave that Hawkw is keeping these things secret, which is impossible to believe given the over the top combat style. People notice when it rains fire. I accept that Cullen doesn't know, I don't accept that they've done that in a remotely believable way.

In terms of characterization, Cullen is not only a very good templar, he's a remarkable one given what he went through at the tower and his state of mind then. If I'd pegged anyone to become like Meredith, it would have been Cullen, but while he sees mages as a clear and present danger (which they are, especially in Kirkwall), he avoids fanaticism. He overcomes his initial reaction to the nightmare that Uldred caused that was based on fear and anger, and remains a good templar.

Sundance31us wrote...

Am I the only one who was grateful that Cullen was the Templar who escorted Bethany to the Circle?

• At least with my Hawk he's a friend (in so much as the game allows).
  
• He's not recklessly pro-mage (Thrask) or a Templar sadist (Ser Alrik).
  
• He's aware that Meredith is going off the deep end and is watching the situation carefully.
  
• Finally and perhaps most importantly he's a gentleman. [...]

Exactly. Cullen is everything a Templar should be.

Modifié par errant_knight, 03 avril 2011 - 04:48 .

[Zjarcal]

errant_knight wrote...

I see All the ignoring of magic from Hawke and company as a game mechanic and a design flaw, not character related. I think we're supposed to handwave that Hawkw is keeping these things secret, which is impossible to believe given the over the top combat style.

Even with the Origins style it's impossible to believe as you're stil raining fire, ice, and electricity on your opponents. Or throwing large fists of stone...

Modifié par Zjarcal, 03 avril 2011 - 04:49 .