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[Iyose]

AreleX wrote...

muahaha, your god has forsaken you, i will never update this guide!

(actually i would, but i just can't find the motivation to do so, i haven't played in about a month. someone buy me the legacy dlc!)

Noooooooo, AreleX don't forsake us! Look deep within your soul and pull out the motivation so you can bring forth the ultimate ninja rogue build:bandit:, LOL.

We're all rooting for you.

[Moorebe]

Was hoping to get some tactics advice. I've read several posts about understanding tactics and looked at other people's tactics they have posted but was wondering if someone could help me specifically with mine?

I'm currently playing a DW-Assassin-Shadow Hawke on Hard. I've read that Varric, Merrill and Anders are the best three to roundout the party?
That being said how should I setup their tactics? Keeping in mind I don't need to worry about FF.

Any advice is greatly appreciated

[TheBigMatt90]

At the minute I am playing the game totally unpatched, would you advise that i not download all patches or is the game actuallly better patched?

[AreleX]

Iyose wrote...

Noooooooo, AreleX don't forsake us! Look deep within your soul and pull out the motivation so you can bring forth the ultimate ninja rogue build:bandit:, LOL.

We're all rooting for you.

you're all rooting for yourselves, more like

TheBigMatt90 wrote...

At the minute I am playing the game
totally unpatched, would you advise that i not download all patches or
is the game actuallly better patched?

patch is god-awful

Moorebe wrote...

Was hoping to get some tactics advice.
I've read several posts about understanding tactics and looked at other
people's tactics they have posted but was wondering if someone could
help me specifically with mine?

I'm currently playing a
DW-Assassin-Shadow Hawke on Hard. I've read that Varric, Merrill and
Anders are the best three to roundout the party?
That being said how should I setup their tactics? Keeping in mind I don't need to worry about FF.

Any advice is greatly appreciated

soon

Modifié par AreleX, 24 juillet 2011 - 02:21 .

[AreleX]

guide has been updated, enjoy

[AreleX]

Varric

1. Rush
2. Miasmic Flask
3. Precision
4. Evade
5. Chameleon's Breath
6. Save Talent Point
7. Blindside, Rhyming Triplet
8. Charge
9. Bianca's Song
10. Chameleon's Cloud
11. Kickback
12. Well-Oiled
13. Embellishment
14. Fatiguing Fog
15. Impenetrable Fog
16. Overpowering Fog
17. Backlash
18. Overtime
19. Speed
20. Power
21. Harmony
22. Lightning Speed
23. Energizing Speed
24. Precise Attack
25. Precise Criticals
26. Tactical Withdrawl

[AreleX]

a note on varric: make sure you have his rush tactic set to 'target at short range', because the game interprets really strange things as melee attacks

i don't remember if i changed this in the other varric builds, but just an fyi

[Iyose]

Thanks so much Arelex! For your time, expertise, and awesomeness!!

[Xalen]

Did you...did you just say "Hawke, Anders, Varric, Isabela"? That's my dream party!  

Can you tell how this works? No need to lay everything out, I'll be happy with the general idea (I'm starting a first full post-patch run tomorrow)

Thanks for all your work, man, you're the best! 

[atheelogos]

"patch is god-awful" Its not so bad. I'm actually starting to like it.

[TheBigMatt90]

I have been building my builds to your updated guides as if playing on 1.03, then just realised i am playing 1.00. Are they gimped on 1.00 or will they work sufficiently?

[mr_afk]

Well.. if I read it right it seems like pre-patch Arelex was using Aveline as a tank which limits the dps potential of your party quite significantly. Pre-patch it was useful for preventing knockback to your rogue but ever since they decided to remove any element of challenge from the game you really don't need a tank for your rogue.

There are also some changes that make things like stagger less frequent (from cleave) and lacerate more powerful. As disorients are pretty easy to do a focus on disorient CCCs from your companions may give you a few more staggers to play with which could be useful.
Shadow is also even more powerful dps-wise but it may not fit in everybody's style of play.

But anders has haste and any reasonable setup with hawke on haste = everything dead



edit: That was silly of me. I read it reversed.
If you're playing unpatched with 1.03 guides you'll probably find a setup without Aveline as a tank slightly more glassy/fragile. Threat management for non-shadow rogues can be reasonably tough and you do need to avoid getting knocked-back. 

I don't think an Aveline tank is that necessary though, so I would say that playing with patched tactics wouldn't actually be that bad. You'll know it best though- if you and your companions are dropping like flies/not dealing CCCs or damage very often then you might consider changing tactics.

But from a theoretical standpoint I think that prepatched gameplay can fit with the patched tactics, just not as optimally maybe.

Modifié par mr_afk, 24 juillet 2011 - 11:31 .

[AreleX]

atheelogos wrote...

"patch is god-awful" Its not so bad. I'm actually starting to like it.

it's terrible. the more i play with it, the more i despise it.

[AreleX]

Xalen wrote...

Did you...did you just say "Hawke, Anders, Varric, Isabela"? That's my dream party!  

Can you tell how this works? No need to lay everything out, I'll be happy with the general idea (I'm starting a first full post-patch run tomorrow)

Thanks for all your work, man, you're the best! 

how does it work?

hawke gets perma-obscured

everything dies

much like the other builds, but with isabela for some flavor and sexy time

[Iyose]

Hey AreleX, would you recommend a Hawke, Isabela, Merrill, and Anders party?

[AreleX]

so long as you have at least one other rogue, you can do pretty much whatever the hell you want. obviously anders is going to need to be part of the mix if you're going for a more optimal party, but he's not *required* the way another rogue is.

[Bapawaka]

Question for AreleX; since Varric is my chameleon and fog bot, can i assign Isabela to have the same role as Varric? Is having 2 bots redundant? Or 1 bot is actually sufficient, and i can turn Isabela to a more attacking role? Thanks in advance.

[AreleX]

i will get back to you on that in a little bit. if i remember right, all you'll need for isabela is chameleon's breath to keep obscured permanently, so long as you've got varric or seb in the party as well.

this is a good thing, since isabela is already a slow-building char, not having to make a 6-pt investment for 1 (sorta 2 if you count rush) helps a lot.

[Iyose]

AreleX wrote...

i will get back to you on that in a little bit. if i remember right, all you'll need for isabela is chameleon's breath to keep obscured permanently, so long as you've got varric or seb in the party as well.

this is a good thing, since isabela is already a slow-building char, not having to make a 6-pt investment for 1 (sorta 2 if you count rush) helps a lot.

I didn't see a build for Isabela and Sabastion in your updated guide.  Do you recommend us using the Isabela and Sebastion build from your Mach 5 warrior build?

Modifié par Iyose, 27 juillet 2011 - 06:01 .

[Bapawaka]

This obsured rogue build is uber. Makes encounter very easy. For the last boss of the Legacy on nightmare mode, i actually finished off its health bar after the 2nd wave of power draining, but it wouldn't die cos its scripted to be a 3 round fight i think.

[AreleX]

apparently the haste tactic was missing from anders' list, it has been added

[Gypsydonny]

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[playaplayer]

Arelex what weapons and accessories should you be purchasing or trying to get during your play through? Not counting dlc.

[Selej]

playaplayer wrote...

Arelex what weapons and accessories should you be purchasing or trying to get during your play through? Not counting dlc.

Better yet, the above question including the dlc! 

[xtreemskill]

god O.O stumbled upon a vid from this guide on youtube and it made me shivver like hell O.O looks like i'm gonna try out a melee rogue for once and screw bows O.O