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[c_cana]

I posted this on the endgame romance thread in the other forum yesterday, before it died. It's about the famous issue for the romance to end if you are not a human noble. I mentioned once about my suspicions that it can be adverted.

It is TRUE.

If you choose to 'harden' Alistair in the Goldanna quest, and tell him people are selfish, you can convince Alistair to stay with you post-Landsmeet.

This was accidentally confirmed by odiedragon in the swooping_is_bad livejoural community. I have reconfirmed it.

Read the thread here: http://community.liv...080.html#cutid1 for steps.

Modifié par c_cana, 18 novembre 2009 - 04:47 .

[Xeyska]

Very interesting, thank you for posting this. But, ugh, I dislike the idea of my character's being a mistress for him. So I think I'll choose the self-sacrifice route on other characters. Eh, in my next play-through my elf mage is going to play matchmaker anyway and run off to the hills with Zevran in tow. lulz

[c_cana]

Happy to serve. About being a mistress, Lovecoconuts and I were talking about the endings yesterday, and she came up to what I thought was a brilliant conclusion on the Alistair romance:

You must share him to keep him. Either with Morrigan, or as a mistress.

Though after discovering this, I had to laugh at all the cryptic hints that Bioware threw at us for this ending. Sneaky.

It's a pity that the secondary romances are the happier ones. I'll try the self-sacrifice route myself.

I still can't figure out if whether this Alistair marries Anora, since there is no explicit dialog in the epilogue about the marriage. But later it talks about Queen Anora's discomfort with PC and Alistair staying in Denerim, but that also appears when PC becomes queen. It's a bit confusing.

Modifié par c_cana, 18 novembre 2009 - 08:06 .

[Xeyska]

Yeah, I think the endings were a bit buggy. Like at the end of my female City Elf playthrough, Alistair thought he was going to be King and I was like "lol, wut?"



Though I did have Zevran and Alistair both on Love, maybe this caused something as well.

[c_cana]

I think other people had that issue as well. It makes me wonder if it is canon that Alistair does become king...

[Mudzr]

But do you get to have Alistair and Loghain? I'm playing through with a woman this time around but I really don't want to kill Loghain but I still want to romance Alistair.

[Raltar]

Can you not have Anora be queen, have Morrigan and Alistair to create the evil vile demonspawn baby and leave with Alistair?

[c_cana]

Mudzr wrote...

But do you get to have Alistair and
Loghain? I'm playing through with a woman this time around but I really
don't want to kill Loghain but I still want to romance Alistair.

I haven't tested that scenario yet. I doubt it though. From my impression of hardened Alistair, he would never let Loghain live. Someone did mention if you get Alistair to marry Anora, Loghain can live, but then the romance is over.

Modifié par c_cana, 18 novembre 2009 - 08:34 .

[c_cana]

Raltar wrote...

Can you not have Anora be queen, have Morrigan and Alistair to create the evil vile demonspawn baby and leave with Alistair?

Nope. Alistair must sleep with Morrigan for either one of you to live. That still plays out.

[Xeyska]

c_cana wrote...

Mudzr wrote...

But do you get to have Alistair and
Loghain? I'm playing through with a woman this time around but I really
don't want to kill Loghain but I still want to romance Alistair.

I haven't tested that scenario yet. I doubt it though. From my impression of hardened Alistair, he would never let Loghain live. Someone did mention if you get Alistair to marry Anora, Loghain can live, but then the romance is over.

I'm going to try this option, though Alistair will probably hate my character for it and throw a big hissy fit over it.

[c_cana]

Xeyska wrote...

c_cana wrote...

Mudzr wrote...

But do you get to have Alistair and
Loghain? I'm playing through with a woman this time around but I really
don't want to kill Loghain but I still want to romance Alistair.

I haven't tested that scenario yet. I doubt it though. From my impression of hardened Alistair, he would never let Loghain live. Someone did mention if you get Alistair to marry Anora, Loghain can live, but then the romance is over.

I'm going to try this option, though Alistair will probably hate my character for it and throw a big hissy fit over it.

I don't think it works with hardened Alistair though on a non-noble character. Odiedragon did say that Alistair automatically nominated himself for kingship without any dialog interaction from her. I recommend people to save the Goldanna dialog close to Landsmeet if you want to try the variations. (I sure wish I did.)

[Sable Rhapsody]

As far as I can tell, there's no way to spare Loghain without Alistair throwing a hissy fit of epic proportions; no matter what, the relationship is over and you mostly likely lose him as a party member too. Which I can understand, but I'm conflicted about Loghain. On one hand, his misguided paranoia and my-way-or-the-highway approach nearly brought Fereldan to its knees before the Blight. On the other hand, Loghain, while often a cruel or ruthless man, never wanted anything more or less than the defeat of the Blight and a strong, independent Fereldan. I find it hard calling him a traitor when Fereldan matters more to him than anything else.

[c_cana]

I have trouble making the choice myself, so often I find myself letting Alistair take the choice out of my hands instead by having him fight Loghain. I actually pity Loghain in some ways despite causing the whole mess.

[cedardryad]

There are many kings, emperors and shoguns that loved their mistresses more than their wives. There are many cases where the mistresses were trusted more than the wives too.

Oda Nobunaga fell in love with his mistress. She was the only one tat managed to get on his good side, having him smile and joke around. He was mistrustful of his wife, who ended up betraying him as he expected her to.

I think being the mistress is the best way to ****** off Anora. Even though she never accused me of kidnapping her, I still think she's up to something. But then again, soes this mean I have to make him marry Anora so I can stay his concubine? Or can I just have him become king and I'll be his lover on the side? I'm at the beginning of the game so I don't have the luxury of finding this out for myself just yet. I'm impatient, I want to know how to get the best outcome.
I have a female Dalish elf so any choices someone makes with a noble female outside of making themselves queen might not be the same for me.

I hate the thought of constantly reloading. Besides as much as queen would be alright I don't like to be in the limelight, much like Alistair.

Modifié par cedardryad, 18 novembre 2009 - 04:57 .

[MrGOH]

My non-hardened Alistair did not like that I forced him to marry Anora and be King. When I tried to let Loghain live, he left the party. I was a male romancing Morrigan, FWIW.

[c_cana]

cedardryad wrote...

There are many kings, emperors and shoguns that loved their mistresses more than their wives. There are many cases where the mistresses were trusted more than the wives too.

Oda Nobunaga fell in love with his mistress. She was the only one tat managed to get on his good side, having him smile and joke around. He was mistrustful of his wife, who ended up betraying him as he expected her to.

I think being the mistress is the best way to ****** off Anora. Even though she never accused me of kidnapping her, I still think she's up to something.

I just feel really uncomfortable with convincing Alistair to betray his beliefs in this scenario. I can't see Anora trying to make a power grab though, marrying Alistair just solidifies her rule. Only if hardened Alistair and Anora have a conflict of interest.

Being a mistress just to ****** off Anora is a poor reason though. I think there is dialog saying Anora says doesn't especially care if Alistair continues to have an affair pre-landsmeet. Kinda goes back on her views in the epilogue though. Perhaps because of the whole Cailan's boys are appealing speech?

[Kohaku]

c_cana wrote...

I still can't figure out if whether this Alistair marries Anora, since there is no explicit dialog in the epilogue about the marriage. But later it talks about Queen Anora's discomfort with PC and Alistair staying in Denerim, but that also appears when PC becomes queen. It's a bit confusing.

This had me confused as well. Me ending told me I married Alistair. Why in the hell would Anora care if he stays around with me? That is, you know, the point of marriage.

[c_cana]

MrGOH wrote...

My non-hardened Alistair did not like that I forced him to marry Anora and be King. When I tried to let Loghain live, he left the party. I was a male romancing Morrigan, FWIW.

I think this is the only ending which Alistair doesn't freak out with Loghain alive though. I guess they had to take him out of the party since there are too many ending variations if he stayed. I haven't seen the dialog, so maybe there is a plot reason, not sure.

[c_cana]

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

c_cana wrote...

I still can't figure out if whether this Alistair marries Anora, since there is no explicit dialog in the epilogue about the marriage. But later it talks about Queen Anora's discomfort with PC and Alistair staying in Denerim, but that also appears when PC becomes queen. It's a bit confusing.

This had me confused as well. Me ending told me I married Alistair. Why in the hell would Anora care if he stays around with me? That is, you know, the point of marriage.

I'm pretty sure it's a bug for the marriage ending. I've seen alternate dialog posted that I think should have been more appropiate.

[MBirkhofer]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

As far as I can tell, there's no way to spare Loghain without Alistair throwing a hissy fit of epic proportions; no matter what, the relationship is over and you mostly likely lose him as a party member too. Which I can understand, but I'm conflicted about Loghain. On one hand, his misguided paranoia and my-way-or-the-highway approach nearly brought Fereldan to its knees before the Blight. On the other hand, Loghain, while often a cruel or ruthless man, never wanted anything more or less than the defeat of the Blight and a strong, independent Fereldan. I find it hard calling him a traitor when Fereldan matters more to him than anything else.

Selling Fereldans into slavery, murdering countless Fereldans, murdering the king.    Ferelden doesn't matter to him as much as he pretends, when hes willing to destroy so much of it.