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[Fruit of the Doom]

Healbot indeed... every 40 seconds, lol.

[rumination888]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

rumination888 wrote...

You listed end game gear and a LOT of warrior abilities. Did you play the actual game, or did you cheat with levels and equipment and derived a conclusion based on a faulty premise?

Hahahaha no. All those Warrior abilities are easily achieved by endgame, as per Arelex's Berserker Vanguard guide. It's because they are concentrated in 4 trees (2H, Vanguard, Berserker, Reaver) and any class can be almost full in 4 trees by end game (you should be around Level 24, with a few Tomes of Techniques you should have around 27 talent points, meaning around 7 points in each tree).

Bloom & Celebrant can be picked up for free at the *beginning* of Act 3 by doing a demon-slaying quest, and Blade of Mercy was picked up for free later. Voracity is picked up for free at the beginning of Act 2 from Xebenkeck, and Torch from the corpse of Marethari in Act 3. Eye of the Storm is picked up for free from Danarius in Act 3. Sundering costs like 3 Sovs. Cold-Blooded/The Final Thought are expensive, sure, but you should get at least one of those two as a Mage.

Please, learn to play the game before you accuse others of cheating. You'll embarass yourself less often.

Unupgraded Cleave is basically a +50% DPS boost. Even less when you factor in its animation time.

This betrays your ignorance further. Cleave is meant to be used for burst fighting. Please read Sabresandiego's Vanguard guide.

I didn't realize the game starts in Act 3. I guess Act 1 and 2 were all in my head.

Every active damage ability is meant for burst damage. What was the point of your statement?

Modifié par rumination888, 06 avril 2011 - 12:40 .

[Fruit of the Doom]

Fireball is still too weak, and my panties are still in a bunch over it.

[Jack-Nader]

Mage has the potential to compete with a warriors damage output, but only late game when you have the option of making yourself immune to certain elements.

Nightmare difficulty

ie. Spirit runes chucked on a mage hawke and soloed will attract every mob to him/her. Focus fire and drop a fully upgraded walking bomb and everything explodes.

Throw fire runes on your mage hawke. Cast inferno/fireball ontop of yourself and everything dies.

Same also works in party situations, Just chuck the runes on your tank and you can spam everything to bits.

A side note :- Giving your warrior an elemental weapon and then chucking runes that protect against said element will alow your warrior to go to town without killing your party in the process as well.

[Fruit of the Doom]

So, did the patch fix Fireball?

Modifié par Fruit of the Doom, 16 avril 2011 - 01:29 .

[Roxlimn]

No. It still does crap damage when you try to use it to kill single enemies. I'm assuming that it won't get "fixed" until it does the same damage as Assassinate.

[Amioran]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...
Please don't lie about how I play the game or about my mages. I played through one mage and ended up level 24, and he does have "synergies." My blood mage is at level 16. Fenris is more powerful than both.

Sorry but your "videos" of playing a mage just show that you are not able to play one efficiently.

You suck at playing mage, this is the problem. You should understand it and stick with what you are better at. You know, trying to be Chopin when you don't either know where it is a MI in the piano doesn't do you any good.

As for people complaining I'm sorry to do a reality check for you but people complain for EVERYTHING.

[Amioran]

iOnlySignIn wrote...
Bloom & Celebrant can be picked up for free at the *beginning* of Act 3 by doing a demon-slaying quest, and Blade of Mercy was picked up for free later.

So both are picked at END GAME isn't it? Isn't Act 3 the LATEST?

I wonder if people like you either read what they write. He wrote that you don't take those items until endgame and you replied that he didn't know what he was saying while saying the EXACT same thing.

Good work.

Modifié par Amioran, 16 avril 2011 - 07:23 .

[Amioran]

iOnlySignIn wrote...
.You'll get fully upgraded Cleave/Barrage/Blood Frenzy long before the end of Act 2 (Level 15, iirc) anyways.

You should read the guides you post a little better yourself, you know. Spike damage is to be used ONLY in certain circumstance if you use a Berserker approach or you will LOWER dps.

A Vanguard warrior is fine and good, but Gravitic Ring/Pull of the Abyss alone are better than all talents of a warrior on a whole when used correctly. Crowd Control has always been better than damage. This is common knowledge in RPGs, and a thing you obviously cannot understand correctly.

I use a three mage party, for example. Mature dragons, golems, all sort of bossess (apart the high dragon) are a complete joke. I would have took 3 elfroot potions in all the game in NM and Anders cast heal at most 20 times in all the game.

I would like to see a warriors' party do the same. In fact, I wonder how would you behave with a party of them without a dedicated healer and buffer. I would be able to do it with my party (3 mages/1 rogue), you will never be able to do it (if not using metagaming measures as kiting or stacking 150 health potions and hoping for luck), with, for example, 3 warriors/1 rogue.

This alone proves the reality of the situation much too well. And no, not because mages are only buffers (because I would not use a mage as that, in the example I specified), but because CC is more important than damage, much more, and you underestimate the amount of difference it does in a game as this.

Modifié par Amioran, 16 avril 2011 - 07:35 .

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

Amioran wrote...

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...
Please don't lie about how I play the game or about my mages. I played through one mage and ended up level 24, and he does have "synergies." My blood mage is at level 16. Fenris is more powerful than both.

Sorry but your "videos" of playing a mage just show that you are not able to play one efficiently.

You suck at playing mage, this is the problem. You should understand it and stick with what you are better at. You know, trying to be Chopin when you don't either know where it is a MI in the piano doesn't do you any good.

As for people complaining I'm sorry to do a reality check for you but people complain for EVERYTHING.

Good morning troll.

[Roxlimn]

Grumpy Old Wizard:

He does have a point. Any cursory examination between AreleX's mages and Jack-Nader's mages and yours substantiates what we've been saying from the start: you're not playing the Mage class very well (and you don't take to suggestions positively).

I highly recommend the latest of AreleX's vids. He's gotten quite adept at putting his AoEs to good use.

[Teknor]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Healbot indeed... every 40 seconds, lol.

Heal's cooldown is fine. Anders reduces it even further anyway.

Modifié par Teknor, 16 avril 2011 - 08:47 .

[Amioran]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

Amioran wrote...

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...
Please don't lie about how I play the game or about my mages. I played through one mage and ended up level 24, and he does have "synergies." My blood mage is at level 16. Fenris is more powerful than both.

Sorry but your "videos" of playing a mage just show that you are not able to play one efficiently.

You suck at playing mage, this is the problem. You should understand it and stick with what you are better at. You know, trying to be Chopin when you don't either know where it is a MI in the piano doesn't do you any good.

As for people complaining I'm sorry to do a reality check for you but people complain for EVERYTHING.

Good morning troll.

Good morning incompetent.

You know, I repeat it always: usually the complainers are always those that know the least of what they are talking about, who knows why?

[Amioran]

iOnlySignIn wrote...
Oh? Perhaps you'd like to play a solo Mage with only Crow Control spells (Force + Creation + Entropy trees only)?

I never stated that you should have ONLY CC, I said that it is more important than solely damage. Do you have problems of comprehension? In that case I will bore fast because I cannot stand stupidity or smartness.
 

iOnlySignIn wrote...
What fantasy world do you live in?

I live in a world where if someone says a thing that same thing its not transformed in another just to have a point. Strangely the world you live in must be exactly the contrary since you and your friend above always do this.

Three Warriors party on NM? Obvious troll is obvious.

No, just my point. You continue saying that warriors have good damage abiliities on their own, that they destroy a mage everytime in damage, that they kills everything in matter of seconds etc. yet you cannot do a party of three warriors, how come? Something is amiss in your reasoning, isn't it?

If I say that something is clearly better than another then the comparision must be on the same terms, isn't it? Or do you want to create yourself apposite rules of comparisions just to have a point?

The very reason Warriors are powerful is that there are Mages to buff them.

So, did you actually contradictic your statements of before? Good work.

 

There are no Warrior who is dedicated to buffing Mages. If this mechanic makes Warriors weak and Mages strong, then perhaps you should give me 1,000 dollars for free because that will make you rich and me poor.

So, in your supreme logic if a thing enhance another then it must be weaker than the thing enhanced? They should give you an PhD in physics because it is just the way atoms works.

LOL, you have no idea of what you are talking about. You either use metaphors you clearly don't understand.

A three mage party (without healing) can stand on their own much better than a three warrior one. This demonstrate that warriors are not better than mages because they NEED support and abilities that they don't have.

Modifié par Amioran, 16 avril 2011 - 09:47 .

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

Roxlimn wrote...

Grumpy Old Wizard:

He does have a point. Any cursory examination between AreleX's mages and Jack-Nader's mages and yours substantiates what we've been saying from the start: you're not playing the Mage class very well (and you don't take to suggestions positively).

I highly recommend the latest of AreleX's vids. He's gotten quite adept at putting his AoEs to good use.

You insult everyone who says the game is not perfect, just like you do  on the ME2 boards, have no videos, and have no DA2 profile. Just like the latest troll.

I'm playing with a tank, not 3 glass cannons. And I show complete encounters, not just snippets of battles. And I show my first (and only runthrough) of the battles as I don't reload and try to get a perfect encounter to impress anyone. I'm not saying anyone does any of the above.

Anywasys once you play the game maybe you'll have a DA2 profile and put up some videos of your own. Once you decide to do a Nightmare runthrough instead of playing on Hard.

Modifié par Grumpy Old Wizard, 17 avril 2011 - 12:08 .

[Amioran]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

Roxlimn wrote...

Grumpy Old Wizard:

He does have a point. Any cursory examination between AreleX's mages and Jack-Nader's mages and yours substantiates what we've been saying from the start: you're not playing the Mage class very well (and you don't take to suggestions positively).

I highly recommend the latest of AreleX's vids. He's gotten quite adept at putting his AoEs to good use.

You insult everyone who says the game is not perfect, just like you do  on the ME2 boards, have no videos, and have DA2 profile. Just like the latest troll.

I never insulted you, at beginning. In fact, it is you that resorted on saying that "my knowledge sucked" (and something similar) when actually making a completely bad figure stating something that was completely wrong (remember elemental force that you mistaken for elemental damage?).

If you want to quote facts then quote them correctly. And, btw, I never posted in ME2 boards so I dont' know of what the hell you are talking about (as it is always the case for what it concerns what you are saying).

And for what concerns my profile I don't care about you. I don't care about educating the masses. Do you know what Nietzsche said: when someone teach something it means that, in realtiy, they don't care no more about what they have learned.

Modifié par Amioran, 16 avril 2011 - 09:37 .

[juho123]

Ever thought that it might have something to do with the fact that it's a tier 1 spell with no level requirement, huge area when improved and a great knockback against some foes? And DA : O fireball was a tier 3 spell that required a lot of magic before you could pick it up.

[spacepopeadventures]

I've no dog in this fight, but seriously, GOW, anyone should be able to see the gulf in gameplay between AreleX and Ralph-Nader and yourself. Their theorycrafting is backed up by their footage. Yours, um, isn't.

You still have the better username, though.

@juho123: Winter's Grasp and Chain Lightning have identical requirements, yet they start strong and stay strong the whole game.

Modifié par spacepopeadventures, 16 avril 2011 - 10:11 .

[Elhanan]

Lightning took over as the primary heat spell in Elementary school... *had to; sorry*

[Sabotin]

Fireball does seem a bit weak, but with a bit deeper look it is in line with the other spells. Maybe what's missing is a CCC exploit for it, I think that'd fit nicely into the upgrade. Like 200% force vs disoriented or something.

[Fruit of the Doom]

Maybe if it actually had a knockback effect like Mind Blast and Telekinetic burst rather than just making enemies do a (brief) fire dance...