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[TJSolo]

Yrkoon wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

DO most video games have over 100 bugs at release...at least from major game designers....

 You mean, 100 things that need fixing?    Yes.  I've never played a PC game that didn't.

I have never seen a single patch address 100 bugs.

That's a completely different discussion.  Whether those bugs exist at release and whether a company decides to fix those bugs all at once   are 2 very different things.


The question was regards to the former.

So you assume that this upcoming bug patch is a complete fix to all known bugs at once?
Now I am damn sure about it. I have NEVER seen a game patch fix all known bugs at once.

[TJSolo]

Yrkoon wrote...

Joush wrote...

I've never seen a game that -needed- 100 fixes before. 

I have. 

Baldurs gate 2.

Neverwinter nights 2

Temple of elemental evil

Dragon age Origins

Planescape Torment.


In fact, that first one there... BG2,  had about 300 known bugs of varying significance out of the box.  After ALL of Biowares patches, the G3 fix pack  (a fan base mod)   came out and fixed about 100 more.

bluewolv1970 wrote...

did ME2 have a patch that fixed over 100 things? NO... .

Again, people,  the fact that Bioware decided not to do 100 fixes with ME2  (DA:O and Awakening certainly had,  and STILL have, about 100+ bugs too) does not mean those bugs don't exist.

You do know that the number 100 used by Bioware is not hyperbole for "a lot", right? Right?

[Yrkoon]

TJSolo wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

DO most video games have over 100 bugs at release...at least from major game designers....

 You mean, 100 things that need fixing?    Yes.  I've never played a PC game that didn't.

I have never seen a single patch address 100 bugs.

That's a completely different discussion.  Whether those bugs exist at release and whether a company decides to fix those bugs all at once   are 2 very different things.


The question was regards to the former.

So you assume that this upcoming bug patch is a complete fix to all known bugs at once?
Now I am damn sure about it. I have NEVER seen a game patch fix all known bugs at once.

Miss the point much?

Someone came here and asked:  do most video games have over 100 bugs at release?  And I answered with:   Yes.    I've never played a   PC game that didn't. 

Not sure what you're responding to, but you certainly didn't respond to that.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 02 avril 2011 - 01:32 .

[am_victory]

Personally, I'm glad they're releasing a patch fairly quickly. Also, the only bug I've encountered is the Who Needs Rescuing bug in Act 3, so from my perspective it's a VERY clean game.

I did not play The Guild II, but just looking at the link you provided - it looks like they patched the game 22 times... what? Also, it looks like they were a fan of saying:
Fixed numerous bugs that affected ________________.
That makes it hard to get a count.

Totally agree that if they list each fix line-by-line, 100 is nothing. Someone else mentioned Temple of Elemental Evil. There was a doozy. Thankfully, I didn't run into this one, but if memory serves there was an installation bug that could wipe your hard drive. Sacred (what that JoWood?) - I quit playing that one because of the bugs. Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion - bugged, bugged, bugged. Bethesda has always been full o' bugs and I doubt that's going to change for Skyrim.

Anyway... Thanks, Bioware for a fun game and a quick patch

[Shiny Things]

Yrkoon wrote...

Miss the point much?

Someone came here and asked:  do most video games have over 100 bugs at release?  And I answered with:   Yes.    I've never played a   PC game that didn't. 

Not sure what you're responding to, but you certainly didn't respond to that.

And then you proceeded to list 5 PC games.

So what you're saying is you've only played 5 PC games in yuor life, and they just happen to conveniently be some of the buggiest games ever released just to suit your argument.

Your whole argument is worthless because everyone who has played anything other than those 5 games knows your claim of most PC games having 100 bugs at release is false.

So give up.  Just stop.  Save yourself the embarassment.  You're not fooling anyone.

Modifié par Shiny Things, 02 avril 2011 - 01:42 .

[88mphSlayer]

Shiny Things wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Miss the point much?

Someone came here and asked:  do most video games have over 100 bugs at release?  And I answered with:   Yes.    I've never played a   PC game that didn't. 

Not sure what you're responding to, but you certainly didn't respond to that.

And then you proceeded to list 5 PC games.

So what you're saying is you've only played 5 PC games in yuor life, and they just happen to conveniently be some of the buggiest games ever released just to suit your argument.

Your whole argument is worthless because everyone who has played anything other than those 5 games knows your claim of most PC games having 100 bugs at release is false.

So give up.  Just stop.  Save yourself the embarassment.  You're not fooling anyone.

are people really ****ing about needing a patch? it's hard enough trying to recommend The Witcher EE when it still crashes on people... still a good game, hell RDR was one of the buggiest games last year - still great stuff same goes for all the STALKER games which are all buggy as hell... and i'll take patches/mods even if it isn't to fix bugs, anybody ever use the CCC 1.21 mod for Crysis 1? better graphics and better framerate for free? hell yeah, and planescape torment is still a buggy mess only fixed later by fans...

Modifié par 88mphSlayer, 02 avril 2011 - 01:49 .

[Conduit0]

You do realize that not all bugs have to be significant? A lot of bugs can be utterly benign, crap like missing punctuation in codex entries or a misspelling in a subtitle.

[Yrkoon]

Shiny Things wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Miss the point much?

Someone came here and asked:  do most video games have over 100 bugs at release?  And I answered with:   Yes.    I've never played a   PC game that didn't. 

Not sure what you're responding to, but you certainly didn't respond to that.

And then you proceeded to list 5 PC games.

So what you're saying is you've only played 5 PC games in yuor life, and they just happen to conveniently be some of the buggiest games ever released just to suit your argument.

Your whole argument is worthless because everyone who has played anything other than those 5 games knows your claim of most PC games having 100 bugs at release is false.

So give up.  Just stop.  Save yourself the embarassment.  You're not fooling anyone.

Um no. my list was nowhere  near complete, and it wasn't intended to be.

It would be much easier to ask you (and others) to name a single PC game that didn't have at least 100 bugs/technical glitches on release.   And   good luck with that.  You will be unable to come up with a single one.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 02 avril 2011 - 04:27 .

[Yrkoon]

Conduit0 wrote...

You do realize that not all bugs have to be significant? A lot of bugs can be utterly benign, crap like missing punctuation in codex entries or a misspelling in a subtitle.

Yep, in fact, they  don't even  need to be bugs.  This whole thread is with regards to an official comment that Chris Priestly made about the upcoming patch containing 100 Fixes.  He doesn't say the word "bugs" or "glitches" anywhere in his comment.

And fixes can be anything in the game that the devs either didn't like, or didn't completely  intend.  That includes  mispellings in codex entries; ingame items and abilities  that have proven to be  balance breaking;    it can even include  cosmetic appearances of NPCs, or dialogue choices that they decided to add  to give the game more flavor

But yeah,  lets whine and **** that a company is deciding to actually support its products.  LOL    

Modifié par Yrkoon, 02 avril 2011 - 04:32 .

[Elhanan]

Yrkoon wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...

You do realize that not all bugs have to be significant? A lot of bugs can be utterly benign, crap like missing punctuation in codex entries or a misspelling in a subtitle.

Yep, in fact, they  don't even  need to be bugs.  This whole thread is with regards to an official comment that Chris Priestly made about the upcoming patch containing 100 Fixes.  He doesn't say the word "bugs" or "glitches" anywhere in his comment.

And fixes can be anything in the game that the devs either didn't like, or didn't completely  intend.  That includes  mispellings in codex entries; ingame items and abilities  that have proven to be  balance breaking;    it can even include  cosmetic appearances of NPCs

BNut yeah,  lets whine and **** that a company is deciding to actually support its products.  LOL  Tough crowd.  

*applesause*

[stragonar]

Seems like a lot of the bickering in this thread is PC gamers not being aware of the severity of some bugs that are being experienced on the consoles. Yes, they are game breaking. Hope that clears things up, and yes I am confident that the major issues will be resolved for PC and console gamers alike.

[Yrkoon]

No one here is denying the severity of some of the bugs in this game. The PC version has them too, btw.

[Dridengx]

bluewolv1970 wrote...
as far as being thankful...I should not have to thank them for anything.

Actually you could and should lol. Once a game is released developers have no right or contract stating they have to support a game with fixes and patches.

[Dridengx]

Yrkoon wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...

You do realize that not all bugs have to be significant? A lot of bugs can be utterly benign, crap like missing punctuation in codex entries or a misspelling in a subtitle.

Yep, in fact, they  don't even  need to be bugs.  This whole thread is with regards to an official comment that Chris Priestly made about the upcoming patch containing 100 Fixes.  He doesn't say the word "bugs" or "glitches" anywhere in his comment.

And fixes can be anything in the game that the devs either didn't like, or didn't completely  intend.  That includes  mispellings in codex entries; ingame items and abilities  that have proven to be  balance breaking;    it can even include  cosmetic appearances of NPCs, or dialogue choices that they decided to add  to give the game more flavor

But yeah,  lets whine and **** that a company is deciding to actually support its products.  LOL    

Exactly.  infact, there is a 'fix' needed on the character selection screen. There is a misplaced comma or two on the descriptions that could count for 1 to 3 "Fixes"

[Spatchmo]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Since my character became to slow to move I have been unable to play the game, and obviously I cannot get a refund...sorry If I do not feel shoddy quality deserves a thanks...

Do you have the Isabela "Thumbs Up" bug? If so there's a sort of "fix" for it if you want to play the game more, but I agree some of these issues have no excuse being in a "finished" game.

[Terrible One]

Cant believe I read 3 pages of this without a single person actually putting up a link to these patch changes. Im disappointed.

[Persephone]

Yrkoon wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...

You do realize that not all bugs have to be significant? A lot of bugs can be utterly benign, crap like missing punctuation in codex entries or a misspelling in a subtitle.

Yep, in fact, they  don't even  need to be bugs.  This whole thread is with regards to an official comment that Chris Priestly made about the upcoming patch containing 100 Fixes.  He doesn't say the word "bugs" or "glitches" anywhere in his comment.

And fixes can be anything in the game that the devs either didn't like, or didn't completely  intend.  That includes  mispellings in codex entries; ingame items and abilities  that have proven to be  balance breaking;    it can even include  cosmetic appearances of NPCs, or dialogue choices that they decided to add  to give the game more flavor

But yeah,  lets whine and **** that a company is deciding to actually support its products.  LOL    

*Persephone approves +10000000000*

[lazuli]

Terrible One wrote...

Cant believe I read 3 pages of this without a single person actually putting up a link to these patch changes. Im disappointed.

That's because we don't know what will be changed yet.

[Serpieri Nei]

Persephone wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Shiny Things wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

 ...so we paid 60.00 for DA II beta edition? 

Pretty much.  Over a hundred in just the 1st patch alone means they shipped a game with way over 100 bugs.  Pitiful.

Actually, no. Every game receives patches like this. Because not everyone experiences the same bugs (Configuration differences etc.) and they are patching 4 platforms. I'm very happy that they're trying to fix as many of the reported bugs as possible. (Even though I only encountered 3. None of which were game breaking and I had none of the friendship bugs happening either)

Yes, they need to patch for 4 platforms . . .but isn't this just a PC patch?
 
Or was there a 360 patch I haven't gotten yet?

According to Chris P's post, it's a multi platform patch coming up. (How would they add the Console Auto Attack feature to a PC patch?)

Prob because we have the code which can happen in the pc version, sometimes when you die, and you get resurected with either an item or Ander's rezz. You will stop attacking, and only will if u spam click the mouse, then theirs the other bug where they just stand not even aware they they are stil in combat.

[mykeme]

How about some gamepad support for the PC port?

[Mad-Max90]

I'm glad there's a patch coming, that said I'm disappointed, there are people who can't get the patch, that means there are a handful of people who bought a incomplete game.

[Fenro]

 Oh get overyourself, when was it the last time there wasnt a huge bug patch since nex gen consoles came to be?

At least we are getting the patches instead of getting a game we cant even patch up like it was in the older gen. 

ever since PC games where made they have had bug fixes because it was possible. and believe me if older gen consoles would have been abel to receive patches quite a few games would have gotten them.

now go behind a shed and rage to some one that cares....

[Mad-Max90]

And to be honest, I don't remember Mass Effect 2 being bugged, I didn't have any problems with it, Mass effect on the other hand had a bunch

[Bfler]

Fenro wrote...

ever since PC games where made they have had bug fixes because it was possible....

No, until the end of the 90s there was hardly a game which has needed a patch. 

Modifié par Bfler, 02 avril 2011 - 06:22 .

[Demx]

Dridengx wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...
as far as being thankful...I should not have to thank them for anything.

Actually you could and should lol. Once a game is released developers have no right or contract stating they have to support a game with fixes and patches.

Of course you could, should is an option, just like it is with them patching what they deem necessary.