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[maegi46]

OP is obviously a tool since the patch fixed 4 things. 96 short of his ranting and crying and still the game suffers from the same bugs as day one release. Is it playable? Yes. Is it acceptable? Not really.
Why is it taking so long? Fix a few things at a time at least. I guess they are trying to do a huge fix it all at once patch.

[AtreiyaN7]

Oh, of course, let's complain about getting a (second upcoming) patch that fixes existing issues. Well, that's certainly a wise use of one's time! *sarcasm* I've seen worse issues like the FO:NV quicksave bug, which will forever live in infamy as far as I'm concerned. I was able to work around it until it was patched, but it sure was memorable. I think it's safe to say that almost any game released these days will have unanticipated issues.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 02 avril 2011 - 06:50 .

[RohanD]

the JRPG developer which Bioware was knocking prior to DA2 has never had to release a "patch" for anyone of its games. Ever. Just sayin'

[Carn Dum]

maegi46 wrote...

OP is obviously a tool since the patch fixed 4 things. 96 short of his ranting and crying and still the game suffers from the same bugs as day one release. Is it playable? Yes. Is it acceptable? Not really.
Why is it taking so long? Fix a few things at a time at least. I guess they are trying to do a huge fix it all at once patch.

OP is not referring to patch 1.01, but to the next one that is coming. A dev posted saying that there would probably be over a hundred of fixes in it.

[PlumPaul93]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

I haven't encountered a single bug in my game so I have no clue what you're complaining about.

I love these type of posts the fact that a dev said that there is over 100 bugs that need fixing should tell you that there are bugs.

[Cutlass Jack]

RohanD wrote...

the JRPG developer which Bioware was knocking prior to DA2 has never had to release a "patch" for anyone of its games. Ever. Just sayin'

Would that be Square? And if so, did you go anywhere near FFXIV? What a buggy mess that was. 100 fixes was nothing compared to that. And I've had at least two patches for Front Mission Evolved.

[SIx_Foot_Imp]

This argument seems to pop up in every game. when most other industries have multiple safety and functionality requirements to meet before they ever release a product, we feel that we should be just as irked by a buggy game as a chair that is missing the screws holding the legs. Sadly even with all the engeneering, design, and safety testing that goes into a chair, it just cant compare to the monumental task of software testing. aside from trying to make a product that works with hundreds of different hardware specs, each game has so many moving and interconnecting pieces that even a team of testers could take a year and still miss many problems. This doesnt completely exuse the industry however, we shouldn't thank them for effeciantly fixing a product they released nor should we expect any of their products to be perfect on release. Patching games sucks but its a necessary evil when youre trying to make a clockwork contraption the size of a football stadium, with millions of pieces.

[Chromie]

Hey hey hey....Bioware after all this time has NEVER fixed Garrus's face in Mass Effect 1. Textmod was used as a work around.

[TJSolo]

Yrkoon wrote...

Miss the point much?

Someone came here and asked:  do most video games have over 100 bugs at release?  And I answered with:   Yes.    I've never played a   PC game that didn't. 

Not sure what you're responding to, but you certainly didn't respond to that.

Oh you mean the point of you trying to slowly take a thread about number of bugs addressed in a single patch and turn it into a thread about how it is really normal for PC games to have a ton of bugs so the number of stated bugs by Bioware is normal? Well I suppose I did miss that.

Modifié par TJSolo, 02 avril 2011 - 07:41 .

[AllThatJazz]

 I can't believe people are complaining about the fact that there's going to be a patch! Jeez, some games are almost or actually unplayable without community fixes even months or years after release. VtM: Bloodlines, Alpha Protocol, Fallout 3, Oblivion, New Vegas, DA:Origins and Awakening are all still glitchy as hell. There are still bugs in Baldur's Gate 2 and Arcanum that I get on every single playthrough. 

I appreciate that it's annoying, that for a lot of people the game shipped with so many bugs - and complaining about bugs in general, or about the lack of a patch is entirely appropriate. But complaining about a patch that is forthcoming seems unconstructive at best. Maybe the complaints should be saved for when/if the patch doesn't solve your problem or creates a whole bunch of new ones? 

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 02 avril 2011 - 08:00 .

[Yrkoon]

TJSolo wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Miss the point much?

Someone came here and asked:  do most video games have over 100 bugs at release?  And I answered with:   Yes.    I've never played a   PC game that didn't. 

Not sure what you're responding to, but you certainly didn't respond to that.

Oh you mean the point of you trying to slowly take a thread about number of bugs addressed in a single patch and turn it into a thread about how it is really normal for PC games to have a ton of bugs so the number of stated bugs by Bioware is normal? Well I suppose I did miss that.

  Yep.  In other words, you came into this thread  and missed the OP's point. 

Modifié par Yrkoon, 02 avril 2011 - 09:14 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

AllThatJazz wrote...

 I can't believe people are complaining about the fact that there's going to be a patch! Jeez, some games are almost or actually unplayable without community fixes even months or years after release. VtM: Bloodlines, Alpha Protocol, Fallout 3, Oblivion, New Vegas, DA:Origins and Awakening are all still glitchy as hell. There are still bugs in Baldur's Gate 2 and Arcanum that I get on every single playthrough. 

I appreciate that it's annoying, that for a lot of people the game shipped with so many bugs - and complaining about bugs in general, or about the lack of a patch is entirely appropriate. But complaining about a patch that is forthcoming seems unconstructive at best. Maybe the complaints should be saved for when/if the patch doesn't solve your problem or creates a whole bunch of new ones? 

I agree 100%. Comments like those are unproductive. You are always a voice of reason. Well... Most of the time.

[Taura-Tierno]

You know, just because there are over 100 fixes doesn't mean that all of those fixes are bugs. Or if they are, it doesn't mean that those are serious bugs. I mean. A spell dealing an incorrect amount of damage would be a bug, for instance, but hardly serious, and probably something most people won't notice.

A change that affects game balance (such as how they changed the freeze time of the cone of cold in DA:O) isn't fixing a bug (or doesn't have to be) but it's a fix nonetheless.

I'd wager most large games have 100 bugs/glicthes at release. Not every game has so widely spread game-breaking bugs, but I would be surprised at a game that doesn't suffer from many minor bugs and glitches that most players will not notice.

[JediMB]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

RohanD wrote...

the JRPG developer which Bioware was knocking prior to DA2 has never had to release a "patch" for anyone of its games. Ever. Just sayin'

Would that be Square? And if so, did you go anywhere near FFXIV? What a buggy mess that was. 100 fixes was nothing compared to that. And I've had at least two patches for Front Mission Evolved.

I suppose the entirety of Final Fantasy XIV could be considered a bug.

[Dubya75]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

DO most video games have over 100 bugs at release...at least from major game designers...as far as being thankful...I should not have to thank them for anything...I mean would they be thanking me if I only paid for part of the game and then a month later told them I was working on giving them the rest of the money...Since my character became to slow to move I have been unable to play the game, and obviously I cannot get a refund...sorry If I do not feel shoddy quality deserves a thanks...

Where are you going with this? You are not being constructive at all. 
It seems no matter what Bioware does, people will find something to complain about, even something like getting a patch to fix bugs....unbelievable.

[skan5]

Eh, this is really a problem nearly across the entire software sector. I use 3ds Max for my living, and that thing is... quite buggy and finicky. And we pay in the thousands to use that program.

I can see both sides, really. We pay a lot to use these things, and sometimes we get bugs that make them unusable. This is pretty frustrating if not infuriating, and we tend to not tolerate it anywhere near as much in other media (furnitures, cars, anything hardware related, etc.).

On the other hand, it is everywhere. And making things perfect, especially when you're dealing with millions of lines of text is painful, and expensive.

I don't like it, I really don't. But for now, it's the best we've got. So for me, patches and user made fixes are a godsend. On another note, I really wish I could patch a doa mobo or memory stick instead of having to wait for a replacement. But hey, that's life.

[Yrkoon]

Dubya75 wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

DO most video games have over 100 bugs at release...at least from major game designers...as far as being thankful...I should not have to thank them for anything...I mean would they be thanking me if I only paid for part of the game and then a month later told them I was working on giving them the rest of the money...Since my character became to slow to move I have been unable to play the game, and obviously I cannot get a refund...sorry If I do not feel shoddy quality deserves a thanks...

Where are you going with this? You are not being constructive at all. 
It seems no matter what Bioware does, people will find something to complain about, even something like getting a patch to fix bugs....unbelievable.

It truly boggles the mind!

Where were these guys during DA:O and the abomination that was Awakening, when Bioware was reamed for not doing enough patching?

Now people (and my guess, the SAME people) are complaining because bioware is going to be putting out a patch with 100 fixes.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 02 avril 2011 - 10:50 .

[dbt-kenny]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

 ...so we paid 60.00 for DA II beta edition? 

yes we did so they going to pay us to test there next beta game only fiar i say

[Persephone]

Dubya75 wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

DO most video games have over 100 bugs at release...at least from major game designers...as far as being thankful...I should not have to thank them for anything...I mean would they be thanking me if I only paid for part of the game and then a month later told them I was working on giving them the rest of the money...Since my character became to slow to move I have been unable to play the game, and obviously I cannot get a refund...sorry If I do not feel shoddy quality deserves a thanks...

Where are you going with this? You are not being constructive at all. 
It seems no matter what Bioware does, people will find something to complain about, even something like getting a patch to fix bugs....unbelievable.

As far as I am concerned, no matter WHAT Bioware does, it'll bet flogged. While I have no problem with constructive criticism (And many have posted excellent amounts of those on all Bioware games), the whole "I didn't get what I expected, this sux!" and the whole complaining for the sake of complaining is utterly ridiculous.

[Packofpickledpeppers]

Persephone wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

DO most video games have over 100 bugs at release...at least from major game designers...as far as being thankful...I should not have to thank them for anything...I mean would they be thanking me if I only paid for part of the game and then a month later told them I was working on giving them the rest of the money...Since my character became to slow to move I have been unable to play the game, and obviously I cannot get a refund...sorry If I do not feel shoddy quality deserves a thanks...

Where are you going with this? You are not being constructive at all. 
It seems no matter what Bioware does, people will find something to complain about, even something like getting a patch to fix bugs....unbelievable.

As far as I am concerned, no matter WHAT Bioware does, it'll bet flogged. While I have no problem with constructive criticism (And many have posted excellent amounts of those on all Bioware games), the whole "I didn't get what I expected, this sux!" and the whole complaining for the sake of complaining is utterly ridiculous.

And you're complaining about complainers complaining about the turn for the worse a franchise has taken that they spent money on.  They have every right to complain.  You on the other habd have absolutely no right to tell them not to.

[Noelemahc]

Hey, at least we ARE getting a patch. Alpha Protocol was and is and probably will always be one patch away from Cult classic status, but it's apparently not only never getting a patch, it's never getting a sequel either. Which is kinda sad, because it was an ingenious step in the right direction of increasing RPG immersion - which Dragon Age 2 actually replicated to the letter - but a surprisingly small amount of people bothered to notice and bashed both games relentlessly.

And as long as the patch is free of what I prefer to refer to as "The Epic Megagames Curse" (note how they dropped the "mega" from their company name around the time the Curse stopped affecting them), when a patch to fix three bugs adds seven new ones so you wouldn't feel lonely, I'm happy to see any patch as there's a chance it's not the last one. Sometimes, the assurance that the problems WILL be fixed is more important than how fast EVERYTHING will be fixed.

Modifié par Noelemahc, 02 avril 2011 - 11:19 .

[Persephone]

Packofpickledpeppers wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

DO most video games have over 100 bugs at release...at least from major game designers...as far as being thankful...I should not have to thank them for anything...I mean would they be thanking me if I only paid for part of the game and then a month later told them I was working on giving them the rest of the money...Since my character became to slow to move I have been unable to play the game, and obviously I cannot get a refund...sorry If I do not feel shoddy quality deserves a thanks...

Where are you going with this? You are not being constructive at all. 
It seems no matter what Bioware does, people will find something to complain about, even something like getting a patch to fix bugs....unbelievable.

As far as I am concerned, no matter WHAT Bioware does, it'll bet flogged. While I have no problem with constructive criticism (And many have posted excellent amounts of those on all Bioware games), the whole "I didn't get what I expected, this sux!" and the whole complaining for the sake of complaining is utterly ridiculous.

And you're complaining about complainers complaining about the turn for the worse a franchise has taken that they spent money on.  They have every right to complain.  You on the other habd have absolutely no right to tell them not to.

Slow down your horses, will you?

And read what I posted about constructive criticism.

Turn for the worse? You think so? That MUST make it the absolute truth! <_<

Extremes and fanaticism REALLY don't mix well. 

[JediMB]

Mass Effect 2 still has that bug where you'll randomly bounce off of terrain and start flying into the air.

[Persephone]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

Mad-Max90 wrote...

And to be honest, I don't remember Mass Effect 2 being bugged, I didn't have any problems with it

Except for the save import feature, which was a disaster considering only about a handful of ME1 decisions actually imported correctly. Oh and the complete lack of any dialogue in most of the assignments - or was that intentional?

:lol::lol:

Much as I like some of the ME2 companions....Garrus only talking about calibrations after 2-3 chats.....GAH!