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[Packofpickledpeppers]

Persephone wrote...

Packofpickledpeppers wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

DO most video games have over 100 bugs at release...at least from major game designers...as far as being thankful...I should not have to thank them for anything...I mean would they be thanking me if I only paid for part of the game and then a month later told them I was working on giving them the rest of the money...Since my character became to slow to move I have been unable to play the game, and obviously I cannot get a refund...sorry If I do not feel shoddy quality deserves a thanks...

Where are you going with this? You are not being constructive at all. 
It seems no matter what Bioware does, people will find something to complain about, even something like getting a patch to fix bugs....unbelievable.

As far as I am concerned, no matter WHAT Bioware does, it'll bet flogged. While I have no problem with constructive criticism (And many have posted excellent amounts of those on all Bioware games), the whole "I didn't get what I expected, this sux!" and the whole complaining for the sake of complaining is utterly ridiculous.

And you're complaining about complainers complaining about the turn for the worse a franchise has taken that they spent money on.  They have every right to complain.  You on the other habd have absolutely no right to tell them not to.

Slow down your horses, will you?

And read what I posted about constructive criticism.

Turn for the worse? You think so? That MUST make it the absolute truth! <_<

Extremes and fanaticism REALLY don't mix well. 

The compiled review scores both fan made and professional coupled with the sales data make it an absolute undeniable truth.

That still doesnt give you any right to tell people expressing their opinions whether positive or negative to stop.  It's not only wrong but completely off topic.

Talk more about how this game shouldnt have been released with 100's of bugs to start with and how it's going to be over a month since release until they even begin to get patched.  That would be on topic.

[Peranor]

Compared to The Witcher DA2 is almost completely free of bugs

[Persephone]

Packofpickledpeppers wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Packofpickledpeppers wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

DO most video games have over 100 bugs at release...at least from major game designers...as far as being thankful...I should not have to thank them for anything...I mean would they be thanking me if I only paid for part of the game and then a month later told them I was working on giving them the rest of the money...Since my character became to slow to move I have been unable to play the game, and obviously I cannot get a refund...sorry If I do not feel shoddy quality deserves a thanks...

Where are you going with this? You are not being constructive at all. 
It seems no matter what Bioware does, people will find something to complain about, even something like getting a patch to fix bugs....unbelievable.

As far as I am concerned, no matter WHAT Bioware does, it'll bet flogged. While I have no problem with constructive criticism (And many have posted excellent amounts of those on all Bioware games), the whole "I didn't get what I expected, this sux!" and the whole complaining for the sake of complaining is utterly ridiculous.

And you're complaining about complainers complaining about the turn for the worse a franchise has taken that they spent money on.  They have every right to complain.  You on the other habd have absolutely no right to tell them not to.

Slow down your horses, will you?

And read what I posted about constructive criticism.

Turn for the worse? You think so? That MUST make it the absolute truth! <_<

Extremes and fanaticism REALLY don't mix well. 

The compiled review scores both fan made and professional coupled with the sales data make it an absolute undeniable truth.

That still doesnt give you any right to tell people expressing their opinions whether positive or negative to stop.  It's not only wrong but completely off topic.

Talk more about how this game shouldnt have been released with 100's of bugs to start with and how it's going to be over a month since release until they even begin to get patched.  That would be on topic.

I don't give a damn about scores regarding ANY game. Never have. I would have missed several of my top favorite games if I had.

I'm not telling anyone to stop posting or expressing their opinions at all, kindly stop putting words in my mouth.

DA2 doesn't have hundreds of bugs. And we already have a patch and another will be released soon. And who is telling whom what to do now, Black Kettle? 

Besides, in 4 playthroughs I encountered 4 bugs. None of them were game breaking.

[Persephone]

anorling wrote...

Compared to The Witcher DA2 is almost completely free of bugs

DAO actually had more bugs. It still does, after 4 patches. (Bless the modders!)

[Cybermortis]

Bare in mind that the '100 bug' figure will be for bugs that appear over all platforms, not the number that appear on (say) the PC.

For example the 1.1 patch addressed problems only found on the PC version, and the upcoming patch will address the auto-attack feature that is missing from the consoles but not the PC version.

It is also likely that 'bugs' will include errors in things like subtitles, which have no impact or effect in playability - and which are quite frequent in many games that have subtitles no matter how long they have been in development.

Wait until they tell us what issues the patch will deal with before passing judgement on the number of bugs and how critical they are.

[Gentle Leviathan]

Shiny Things wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Shiny Things wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

 ...so we paid 60.00 for DA II beta edition? 

Pretty much.  Over a hundred in just the 1st patch alone means they shipped a game with way over 100 bugs.  Pitiful.

Actually, no. Every game receives patches like this. Because not everyone experiences the same bugs (Configuration differences etc.) and they are patching 4 platforms. I'm very happy that they're trying to fix as many of the reported bugs as possible. (Even though I only encountered 3. None of which were game breaking and I had none of the friendship bugs happening either)

Bull.  Not every game has over 100 bugs to fix right off the bat, and certainly not all of them have bugs as crippling and glaring as the ones in this game.  I dont know who you're trying to fool, but just stop.

*cough*Fallout: New Vegas*cough*

[Gibb_Shepard]

It would be epic if they dont fix the Slowdown glitch or Merrill's questline in this patch.

[Cyocide]

I had to put this game down once I learned about Isabella's bug.

In my frantic wait for LA Noire, I'm currently getting more RPG mileage from Saints Row 2 and an RDR replay than from this thing(*). LOL

But this game's disappointment sent me spiraling backwards in time trying to find an old game to replay, and a patch might go a long way to letting me slug through it, so I'm almost... hopeful.


(*) For the record, I do not consider them RPGs by any stretch, so lets not get it twisted =P

Modifié par Cyocide, 02 avril 2011 - 07:43 .

[TJSolo]

Yrkoon wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

Oh you mean the point of you trying to slowly take a thread about number of bugs addressed in a single patch and turn it into a thread about how it is really normal for PC games to have a ton of bugs so the number of stated bugs by Bioware is normal? Well I suppose I did miss that.

  Yep.  In other words, you came into this thread  and missed the OP's point. 

The OP has one line in the first post and a title that references DA2's current patch development. OP's point was not to discuss the general bug ratio in PC gaming as a whole, that would be unrelated to DA2.

The first patch the OP and myself(if I can get online) will have for DA2 will possibily address 100 bugs. That sir is a lot of fixin' for any game no longer in the beta life cycle.

[Riknas]

Unfortunate as it may be that this is necessary, this strikes me as ammunition for both fans and (by lack of a better term) haters, though it leans more towards haters at the moment.

Better there be a patch with 100 fixes than none at all, I say.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Riknas wrote...

Unfortunate as it may be that this is necessary, this strikes me as ammunition for both fans and (by lack of a better term) haters, though it leans more towards haters at the moment.

Better there be a patch with 100 fixes than none at all, I say.

I don't think that I have ever encountered a game that did not have any bugs. I think everyone on the forums should chill the f*** out. It is sad that perfectionism and impatience have corrupted the forums.

[Swordfishtrombone]

100 bugs - and most of those are really minor - isn't a very big number for a modern RPG, or any game that has any complexity to it. There are a handful of serious bugs, like the isabella slowdown bug, and the sebastian damage reduction bug, but overall, in my experience of games in the last, say 5 years, DA2 had fewer bugs than an average game at releas time.

Compare, for example, to Civilization V - huge number of bugs, including the largest maps crashing near the end game on many, if not most systems, making them unplayable. Huge problems with multiplayer, and numerous smaller bugs that took months to fix - and some major ones that weren't still fixed by the time I shelved the game (for now) several months ago.

By comparison DA2 was clean and stable as can be.

This is not to excuse the presense of serious bugs at release time, but it is to put things in perspective - if we're soon getting a patch with 100 fixes, including a fix to the handful of serious problems, then I can say that Bioware has done an exceptional job.

The game may not be as good as DA:O, and by Bioware's standards may fall short of their best work, but please keep the criticism to the areas where it is deserved.

[Marionetten]

I'm more interested in knowing just how much this patch will break...

[ejoslin]

This is excellent news. I'm going to assume, because of the sheer number of bugs they're fixing, that they're fixing dialog bugs this time around. 100 is a HUGE number of fixes, and I'm very glad that all platforms are going to be getting them.

If you want some perspective of what 100 fixes looks like, click on the ZDF link in my signature -- there are close to but fewer than 100 fixes there. ALSO, console users cannot get those fixes.

Thank you, BW, for doing a massive patch. It's a lot of work and a lot of testing. And it really will be appreciated by many. (oh, I hope this means that the DAO LI cameos are fixed -- I cannot wait for the release notes!)

Modifié par ejoslin, 02 avril 2011 - 08:49 .

[mikey3k]

Persephone wrote...

anorling wrote...

Compared to The Witcher DA2 is almost completely free of bugs

DAO actually had more bugs. It still does, after 4 patches. (Bless the modders!)

LOL The Witcher was so buggy they had to re-release it a year later with all the bug fixes included. Just the Witcher Extended Edition patch had more bugs fixed then all Origins patches combined. And the Witcher still has bugs too, even after 6+ patches and a rerelease.

The Witcher was still a great game though, especially after the Extended Edition patch when it was a much more stable and less buggy game.

Modifié par mikey3k, 03 avril 2011 - 07:04 .

[Bathead]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

Will this patch finally allow us to romance Bethany?

. I do hope yer kidding.

[LocutusX]

Yrkoon wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

DO most video games have over 100 bugs at release...at least from major game designers....

You mean, 100 things that need fixing?    Yes.  I've never played a PC game that didn't.

+1

I'm also not the hugest fan of DA2, but would the "Anti-DA2" crowd PLEASE stop trolling?

There's no such thing as a game which doesn't have a full slate of issues upon release. There just isn't. If you disagree, you're a troll who needs his posting privileges revoked.

[Packofpickledpeppers]

LocutusX wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

DO most video games have over 100 bugs at release...at least from major game designers....

You mean, 100 things that need fixing?    Yes.  I've never played a PC game that didn't.

+1

I'm also not the hugest fan of DA2, but would the "Anti-DA2" crowd PLEASE stop trolling?

There's no such thing as a game which doesn't have a full slate of issues upon release. There just isn't. If you disagree, you're a troll who needs his posting privileges revoked.

Recent games with less than 100 bugs that required patching upon PC release

Amnesia
all 3 Assassins Creeds
Batman Arkham Asylum
BBC2
Bejeweled 3
Bioshock 1 & 2
Bulletstorm
Black Ops
MW2
All 3 Crysis games
Darksiders
both Dead Space games
Devil May Cry 4
Dirt 2
Far Cry 2
FIFA 11
GTA IV
GRID
James Bond 007 Bloodstone
Just Cause 2
Via Domus
Mafia 2
Medal of Honnor

etc etc etc etc etc

It's the small small minority of games that anywhere even close to as many bugs as DA2.  Thats why all you shills keep saying New Vegas and BG2 and TOEE because you're straining to think of many more.  You're making yourselves sound dumb trying to act like it's the norm for games to be in as bad a shape as DA2 is, when it's really the exception.

Nobody believes you.  So stop lying.  Trolls.

[ejoslin]

You know, both DAO and DA2 have massive dialog bugs. I would far rather they announce and FIX them than just not mention them and hope fans mod them (which does no good for console users).  I am assuming they're fixing more than gameplay issues this time around because that is a massive number of fixes.

You know, the bugs are there. They're acknowledging them this time around and addressing them quickly says a lot about them as a company.  I'm impressed.  Bug tracking and fixing does take much time and testing even more time (laws of unintended consequences at work here).

They had a release date. They met it. And they continued working on the product. There's only so much they can do at this point, and I for one am so glad they're doing it!

Modifié par ejoslin, 02 avril 2011 - 09:37 .

[Morroian]

Packofpickledpeppers wrote...

And you're complaining about complainers complaining about the turn for the worse a franchise has taken that they spent money on.  They have every right to complain.  You on the other habd have absolutely no right to tell them not to.

You do realise that you're defending free speech on 1 hand and then complaining about it on the other.

[Morroian]

Packofpickledpeppers wrote...

Recent games with less than 100 bugs that required patching upon PC release

Far Cry 2

GTA IV

On the PC versions? Wrong wrong wrong. they may not have fixed 100 bugs but that doesn't mean they weren't there.

Packofpickledpeppers wrote...

It's the small small minority of games that anywhere even close to as many bugs as DA2.  Thats why all you shills keep saying New Vegas and BG2 and TOEE because you're straining to think of many more.  You're making yourselves sound dumb trying to act like it's the norm for games to be in as bad a shape as DA2 is, when it's really the exception.

Nobody believes you.  So stop lying.  Trolls.

DAO had just as many bugs so you get a grip, what do you want Bioware not to fix them.

[_Aine_]

Lilacs wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

You know, both DAO and DA2 have massive dialog bugs. I would far rather they announce and FIX them than just not mention them and hope fans mod them (which does no good for console users).  I am assuming they're fixing more than gameplay issues this time around because that is a massive number of fixes.

You know, the bugs are there. They're acknowledging them this time around and addressing them quickly says a lot about them as a company.  I'm impressed.  Bug tracking and fixing does take much time and testing even more time (laws of unintended consequences at work here).

They had a release date. They met it. And they continued working on the product. There's only so much they can do at this point, and I for one am so glad they're doing it!

Me, too.

^ This!  

[PaganOak]

This is really pitful-.-