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[MrTijger]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I mean exactly what I said: Not every game gets a patch for over 100 issues.

Why? Because on the very first page someone said...

Persephone wrote...

Every game receives patches like this.

Right, but why doesn't every game get a patch like this? Because not every game needs one? Or because the support isn't as good?

I'm just not sure if the direction of your statement is "This is good support" or "The game has too many bugs"

Heh, its both probably.

I'm not impressed by the need for such an extensive patch but at the same time, this isnt exactly odd for Bioware, DAO to this day has tons of bugs that were never patched, ME 1 and 2 also still have open issues as well.
So, yes, good support that they are patching it but at the same token, bad that it needs such patching especially since the patching will be cross platform.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Wow. So people have demanded that bioware make a patch for the bugs, now they are ****ing and complaining about them making a patch for the said bugs.

Bioware seriously has the worst fanbase next to bungie.

[Maria Caliban]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Right, but why doesn't every game get a patch like this?

There are a large range of reasons. Not every game is multiplatform, most games aren't as sophisticated as RPGs, not every developer has the time to go through the finished product and fix bugs at this level, and not every publisher is willing to pay for it.

Because not every game needs one?

Not every game needs it.

Or because the support isn't as good?

Not every developer can provide a patch this big.

I'm just not sure if the direction of your statement is "This is good support" or "The game has too many bugs"

My comment was neither.

Person 1: When I bought my sandwich, it came with a pickle.
Person 2: All sandwiches come with pickles.
Maria: No, not all sandwiches some with pickles. It's silly to say so.

It's not a comment on whether pickles or sandwiches are good, whether all sandwiches should come with pickles, or if adding a pickle means the sandwich is inadequate.

If you want a value judgement, that was my first paragraph: "I'm glad they're patching the game like this even though I've only encountered a handful of errors."

[mesmerizedish]

Something vexes you? Whatever I did, I'm sorry

[Maria Caliban]

I do not know why you think I am vexed. I am not.

As you haven't done anything, there's no need to apologize.

[cindercatz]

Maria Caliban wrote...

My comment was neither.

Person 1: When I bought my sandwich, it came with a pickle.
Person 2: All sandwiches come with pickles.
Maria: No, not all sandwiches some with pickles. It's silly to say so.

It's not a comment on whether pickles or sandwiches are good, whether all sandwiches should come with pickles, or if adding a pickle means the sandwich is inadequate.

LOL :-D

Sorry, this made me smile. :-) Nice analogy.

[randName]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Wow. So people have demanded that bioware make a patch for the bugs, now they are ****ing and complaining about them making a patch for the said bugs.

Bioware seriously has the worst fanbase next to bungie.

Don't be a ******; the community isn't one, the people that wanted a patch and that listed tons of bugs in DA2, are most likely not those that now are upset there are so many bugs based upon this news (since they already knew).

& People that are upset that BioWare is patching 100s of bugs, but weren't upset before they read about it are fools.

But people like you that act like we are one hive mind, yet obviously you must stand outside it, I'll never understand.

[randName]

Maria Caliban wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Right, but why doesn't every game get a patch like this?

There are a large range of reasons. Not every game is multiplatform, most games aren't as sophisticated as RPGs, not every developer has the time to go through the finished product and fix bugs at this level, and not every publisher is willing to pay for it.

Because not every game needs one?

Not every game needs it.

Or because the support isn't as good?

Not every developer can provide a patch this big.

I'm just not sure if the direction of your statement is "This is good support" or "The game has too many bugs"

My comment was neither.

Person 1: When I bought my sandwich, it came with a pickle.
Person 2: All sandwiches come with pickles.
Maria: No, not all sandwiches some with pickles. It's silly to say so.

It's not a comment on whether pickles or sandwiches are good, whether all sandwiches should come with pickles, or if adding a pickle means the sandwich is inadequate.

If you want a value judgement, that was my first paragraph: "I'm glad they're patching the game like this even though I've only encountered a handful of errors."

I largely agree on your points, but sophisticated and DA2? I'd use complex entities instead.

[BTCentral]

So first it's: Ugh this game has bugs.
Now it's: Ugh they are fixing the bugs.

Some people are never pleased are they?

Most game developers with large publishers behind them get pushed to get games out ASAP.
Believe it or not, that causes bugs. Bugs then (hopefully) get patched.

DA2 is considerably longer/more complex than your $60 bog standard 8 hour FPS. Guess what? In general a longer game = more bugs, hence 100 fixes in the next patch.

As for release time frames assuming a developer started working on a patch day one of release for a cross platform game then realistically you're not likely to see it released for at least three weeks even if they were just fixing a couple of bugs.

Why three weeks? Because of the fairly long winded process now required to get patches released: Coding time -> Internal QA -> Beta testers (if applicable) -> Sony/MS certification (upto 2 weeks) -> Patch distribution.

Of course, if a patch fails Sony/MS certification then the process starts all over again.

As far as I am concerned, it's nice to see BioWare trying to fix as many bugs as possible in one foul swoop.

TL;DR - Games are always released with bugs. Bugs then take time to fix, more so if they are cross platform games.

Modifié par BTCentral, 04 avril 2011 - 03:21 .

[ReveurIngenu]

I think people are missing the point.  People aren't complaining that Bioware is patching over 100 things, but rather, the fact that they are patching so many things is Bioware's confession and confirmation that the game was one buggy-ass mess on release (thus confirming their belief that they paid 60$ for a beta version).

Not everyone plays on PC.  I certainly don't so I wouldn't know if like people have stated in this topic, that it is normal for PC games to come out with over 100 bugs or glitches, many of which being game-breaking bugs or bugs which completely ruin the gaming experience.

As a console player, I have never played a game that so many (console) players had to put down because the gravity of certain bugs prevented them from continuing the game (or from continuing how they would have liked to and that should have been possible without the bugs) or that just ruined the entire experience.  On the PC, people can always make mods and release them.  On consoles, you're stuck until the developer releases an official patch (or unless you have some other means of getting around the bugs).

Many people only encountered a few bugs and thought those few bugs were bad enough.  Imagine being told that you're lucky if all you encountered were a few bugs because there are actually over 100 technical problems with the game, most of which you just luckily did not encounter.  It's certainly a reason to feel even more disappointed and cheated, and that you really did spend your money just to be a beta-tester.  Would you have gotten those bugs (that you did not get) in another playthrough?  If the problems you met were patched, would you encounter other problems still?

It totally removes all feeling that the product is a finished product and leaves the consumer in doubt and wary about the product.  Not only that, but since it's only the first patch, who knows what problems will remain or will be created from it?

Such a huge patch is nothing but a negative image from Bioware because it essentially screams "Yeah, our games are so glitchy on release, like, game-breaking glitchy, that we need to release such an ENORMOUS patch!".  I'm not sure that's exactly the kind of message that  consumers want to be getting from game developers.

[Yakko77]

Persephone wrote...

Shiny Things wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Shiny Things wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

 ...so we paid 60.00 for DA II beta edition? 

Pretty much.  Over a hundred in just the 1st patch alone means they shipped a game with way over 100 bugs.  Pitiful.

Actually, no. Every game receives patches like this. Because not everyone experiences the same bugs (Configuration differences etc.) and they are patching 4 platforms. I'm very happy that they're trying to fix as many of the reported bugs as possible. (Even though I only encountered 3. None of which were game breaking and I had none of the friendship bugs happening either)

Bull.  Not every game has over 100 bugs to fix right off the bat, and certainly not all of them have bugs as crippling and glaring as the ones in this game.  I dont know who you're trying to fool, but just stop.

You've never played a Bethseda or Jowood game, have you? And sorry to repeat the obvious but: Different PC configurations often cause different bugs that aren't happening to everybody. And they are patching 4 platforms. I haven't experienced a single crippling or game breaking bug in 4 playthroughs. (I'm on my 5th) I did experience several in DAO though, DAO would be unplayable to me without Mod fixes these days. (Dialogue fixes esp.)

As much as I love Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas from Bethesda, those games have so many bugs I feel the need to call an exterminator just to be safe.  DA2 on my xbox has some issues but thankfully they aren't totally game breaking like it seems to be on PS3.  I  genuinely feel sorry for those players.

[BTCentral]

ReveurIngenu wrote...

I think people are missing the point.  People aren't complaining that Bioware is patching over 100 things, but rather, the fact that they are patching so many things is Bioware's confession and confirmation that the game was one buggy-ass mess on release (thus confirming their belief that they paid 60$ for a beta version).

Just to point out - patching over 100 things, yes. 100 game breaking bugs, no.
The majority of things patched are likely to be very minor issues.

Sure, there are some game breaking bugs. But actually, everyone is at the mercy of Sony/Microsoft when it comes to patches these days because of the upto two week approval process (as I mentioned in my previous post).

You think this is bad? - try playing a Bethseda game right after release.

DA2 is honestly one of the least buggy modern RPGs I have played at release.
That's by no means a complement, but it is a fact.

Modifié par BTCentral, 04 avril 2011 - 04:24 .

[MonkeyLungs]

Yakko77 wrote...

DA2 on my xbox has some issues but thankfully they aren't totally game breaking like it seems to be on PS3.  I  genuinely feel sorry for those players.

There ARE absolutely game breaking bugs on the Xbox 360. Just visit the tech forums.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

So....people are disappointed that bioware is trying to fix 100 bugs that they missed before releasing the game.

I really don't understand the logic here.

[Bfler]

BTCentral wrote...

You think this is bad? - try playing a Bethseda game right after release. 

What do you mean? Games like Morrowind or Oblivion are full playable without a patch.

[BTCentral]

Bfler wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

You think this is bad? - try playing a Bethseda game right after release. 

What do you mean? Games like Morrowind or Oblivion are full playable without a patch.

Fallout 3. Fallout: New Vegas.

[Mavkiel]

Bfler wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

You think this is bad? - try playing a Bethseda game right after release. 

What do you mean? Games like Morrowind or Oblivion are full playable without a patch.

As much as I like morrowind/oblivion, your smoking something. They left a fair number of bugs, some of which are potentially game breaking in the game. Heck, it got to the point where the unoffical patch for oblivion stopped listing the fixes.

Although, I don't recall having to wait for the console users to get their patch for me to get my pc one.. That kind of stunt makes me want to wait a month before ordering their games.

[Bfler]

Mavkiel wrote...

Bfler wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

You think this is bad? - try playing a Bethseda game right after release. 

What do you mean? Games like Morrowind or Oblivion are full playable without a patch.

As much as I like morrowind/oblivion, your smoking something. They left a fair number of bugs, some of which are potentially game breaking in the game. 

Specify some of these bugs.

[DragonAgePoo]

This topic wouldnt exists if this terrible game wasnt released with hundreds of bugs.

However, even if there were 0 bugs the game would still suck.

[Mavkiel]

Bfler wrote...

Mavkiel wrote...

Bfler wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

You think this is bad? - try playing a Bethseda game right after release. 

What do you mean? Games like Morrowind or Oblivion are full playable without a patch.

As much as I like morrowind/oblivion, your smoking something. They left a fair number of bugs, some of which are potentially game breaking in the game. 

Specify some of these bugs.

A brush with death quest, you can get stuck in the dreamworld with no way out. Thats the one I can recall off the top off my head. There are other things like doors and etc failing to work, that require abomb from wryebash to reset.

[ToJKa1]

BTCentral wrote...

You think this is bad? - try playing a Bethseda game right after release.

Try playing a Bethesda game without the unofficial patches that fix much more bugs than the official ones ever did, you mean?

[Spartansfan8888]

Is there a patch for the consoles yet?

[Cybermortis]

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

Is there a patch for the consoles yet?

No, the only patch is for issues specific to the PC.

The patch for all platforms is being tested by Sony, Microsoft and EA who could take up to 2 weeks to pass it. BW can't give you a date as this testing is totally out of their hands.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Bfler wrote...

Mavkiel wrote...

Bfler wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

You think this is bad? - try playing a Bethseda game right after release. 

What do you mean? Games like Morrowind or Oblivion are full playable without a patch.

As much as I like morrowind/oblivion, your smoking something. They left a fair number of bugs, some of which are potentially game breaking in the game. 

Specify some of these bugs.

post-release Shivering Isles and DLC item reference property glitch, bugged item scaling, crime and punishment in shivering isles is glitched at certain point, etc.