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[Guldor]

But DAO didnt rely on his predecessor.

[silver-crescent]

Warheadz wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Did you really create a new account just to spell the doom of the DA series?

Anyway

1) if you run similar numbers for DAO you get the same results, because DAO and DA2 sold exactly the same amount of copies in the first 3 weeks.

That already means that DA2 sort of failed; the game established a fanbase after Origins, and they also had a rather massive marketing campaign. And still didn't do better.

That's arguable. I'm pretty sure the DA:O marketing campaign was much more significative than DA2's. Also, DA:O came out in the busiest season of the year, while DA2 didn't.

All in all though, I'm not really saying DA2 is a huge hit or will sell as much as DA:O did. But it is neither a massive flop nor the end of the DA series/Bioware/the world like some people are making it out to be.

I'd say it's at very least a moderate hit.

Modifié par silver-crescent, 04 avril 2011 - 10:35 .

[I Have Big Boobs]

silver-crescent wrote...

Did you really create a new account just to spell the doom of the DA series?

Anyway

1) if you run similar numbers for DAO you get the same results, because DAO and DA2 sold exactly the same amount of copies in the first 3 weeks.

2) trying to calculate profit while ignoring a big part of the game's sales is just plain silly.

3) the game hasn't been "heavily discounted" anywhere. After 4 weeks, it got some fairly small price cuts from some European stores, and that's it.

You have to be mentally handicapped.  The sales of DAO FAR exceed the sales of DA2 in the first three weeks of each title.  Maybe try reading the thread?   I guess numbers arent your forte though.

You should really just stop.  The game is a numerical flop.  We have all the data we need to see that.

Modifié par I Have Big Boobs, 04 avril 2011 - 10:36 .

[ddv.rsa]

I Have Big Boobs wrote...
Run similar numbers against DAO and ME2 (just use the console numbers for the first 3 weeks like I did to make sure it's fair and accurate) and you'll see why this is so bad.  This is probably the end of the Dragon Age series.

I hope not. I thought Dragon Age 2, on its own merits, was actually a really enjoyable game. And isn't having fun the whole point of gaming? But it just isn't what a lot of people were expecting from a successor to origins. I thought it was a little like getting coffee flavored icecream when you've bought chocolate.

With any luck they'll make enough for DA3, and bring back more RPG elements like ME3.

 

Modifié par ddv.rsa, 04 avril 2011 - 10:35 .

[silver-crescent]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

I like how some people base there "Facts" in disillusion and complete ignorance. You can look at just the console sales and say, "It's a flop," but you have no idea what the PC and digital distribution sales numbers are.

This game is not a flop. Just because you don't like the game does NOT mean it is a failure and staring intently into the monitor and skewing facts will NOT make you right.

Yup, that's about right.

[I Have Big Boobs]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

I like how some people base there "Facts" in disillusion and complete ignorance. You can look at just the console sales and say, "It's a flop," but you have no idea what the PC and digital distribution sales numbers are.

This game is not a flop. Just because you don't like the game does NOT mean it is a failure and staring intently into the monitor and skewing facts will NOT make you right.

You're right, whether I like the game or not makes no difference.  The numbers do.  If you dont like the numbers, tough ******.  But the numbers show the game is a flop.

[silver-crescent]

I Have Big Boobs wrote...

You have to be mentally handicapped.  The sales of DAO FAR exceed the sales of DA2 in the first three weeks of each title.  I guess numbers arent your forte.

You should really just stop.  The game is a numerical flop.  We have all the data we need to see that.

Please, stop being an idiot.

DA:O PS3+360 sold 850k in the first 3 weeks. (it says 900k but that's counting a much later Japanese release which DA2 hasn't had yet)

DA2 PS3+360 sold 840k in the first 3 weeks.

Modifié par silver-crescent, 04 avril 2011 - 10:40 .

[ddv.rsa]

silver-crescent wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

I like how some people base there "Facts" in disillusion and complete ignorance. You can look at just the console sales and say, "It's a flop," but you have no idea what the PC and digital distribution sales numbers are.

This game is not a flop. Just because you don't like the game does NOT mean it is a failure and staring intently into the monitor and skewing facts will NOT make you right.

Yup, that's about right.

Unless I'm very much mistaken consoles sales are almost always the largest portion. By far.

Modifié par ddv.rsa, 04 avril 2011 - 10:39 .

[silver-crescent]

ddv.rsa wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

I like how some people base there "Facts" in disillusion and complete ignorance. You can look at just the console sales and say, "It's a flop," but you have no idea what the PC and digital distribution sales numbers are.

This game is not a flop. Just because you don't like the game does NOT mean it is a failure and staring intently into the monitor and skewing facts will NOT make you right.

Yup, that's about right.

Unless I'm very much mistaken consoles sales are almost always the largest portion. By far.

Well, so far the retail PC sales are about 20% of the total ones. No info about digital sales.

[I Have Big Boobs]

[quote]silver-crescent wrote...

[quote]I Have Big Boobs wrote...

[/quote]

You have to be mentally handicapped.  The sales of DAO FAR exceed the sales of DA2 in the first three weeks of each title.  I guess numbers arent your forte.

You should really just stop.  The game is a numerical flop.  We have all the data we need to see that.
[/quote]

Please, stop being an idiot.

DA:O PS3+360 sold 850k in the first 3 weeks. (it says 900k but that's counting a much later Japanese release which DA2 hasn't had yet)

DA2 PS3+360 sold 840k in the first 3 weeks.


[/quote]

Go back and check your numbers kid because they're waaaaaaaay off.

Game flopped.  Are you gonna cry over it?  I bet you are crying right now arent you?  Want me to give you a hug because your game flopped?  Does the game flopping make you sad?

Because the game flopped.  Show some numbers with links like we have that showed it flopped to prove your point or quit and cry over the flop somewhere else. (you cant, because the game flopped and theres no way to deny it, youll find no links showing it was successful)

[silver-crescent]

Actually I just looked at the numbers again and, not counting Japanese sales, DA2 actually sold MORE than DAO first 3 weeks. 840k vs 820k.

But anyway, keep on trolling. If making stuff up makes you feel better than I'm not gonna get in your way.

[AkiKishi]

If you are relying on Japanese sales, then you really are clutching at straws.

[naughty99]

ddv.rsa wrote...

Unless I'm very much mistaken consoles sales are almost always the largest portion. By far.

Usually this is the case, but interestingly enough so far the PC boxed version sales alone are very close to the total PS3 sales (207k vs 260k). I would imagine combined with the Steam and EA digital downloads figured in, the PC sales are likely to be higher than the PS3 sales. 

Modifié par naughty99, 04 avril 2011 - 10:58 .

[Just_For_Lulz]

Their new "ME2 with every copy of DA2" offer speaks even better than any charts now. Mind you, that a game's been out just ONE month.

[silver-crescent]

BobSmith101 wrote...

If you are relying on Japanese sales, then you really are clutching at straws.

LMAO way to misinterpret things.

I only pointed out Japanese sales because DA:O was released in Japan, whereas DA2 wasn't. So it's not really fair to make comparisons including those.

[Soilborn88]

Origins didn't sell as well in the first week and that's because DA2 had much better marketing.

But Origins did sell better in the following weeks, because Origins was a solid game. Once the reviews were in and people who pre-ordered and bought it on the day came out played the game and saw it for what it was, they told EVERYBODY.

I don't see future DLC for DA2 selling as well as Origins DLC did, especially when DA2 sells weren't that impressive after the first week.

[John Epler]

Going to ask that folks please remain civil. Insults and vitriol are not going to make your point any better than calm, reasoned discussion, and may even harm your cause.

Thanks.

[TwoHandedSword]

I Have Big Boobs wrote...

ink07 wrote...

According to analyst Michael Pachter it is like this:

For every $60 console game:

$12 - go to the retail store
$12 - go to the console manufacturer
$ 36 - go to the publisher, of which:

~$10 go to the studio who made the game (R&D costs, salaries mainly)
~$9 marketing (it really depends on the game, so the figures vary)
~$17 = profit.

For Digital copies in Steam it is:

(30%*) $18 for Steam
(70%*) $42 for EA (minus R&D & MKTG)


For Digital copies in EADM it is 100% profit (again, minus R&D & MKTG & bandwith costs)

*These are estimations, but very close.

OK so lets use these numbers with the numbers from the original post and see how it all shakes down.


843215 total console copies sold after 3 weeks

$50,592,900 @ $60

which breaks down to

$10,118,580 retailers

$10,118,580 consoles manufacturers

$8,432,150 studio/Bioware

$7,588,935 advertising

$14,334,655 profit


Now I'm inclined to believe the advertising camapign was probably closer to the $15 million range.  I'm still seeing commercials.  There's no way to be sure, although for some reason I think I did hear an exact number used in an interview or on a website somewhere, which would eat into that $14 mil profit by a ton.

That would leave only about $7.5 million in total profit and EA must be crying over that.  $7.5 million might sound like a lot to some of us, but to video game publishers that is absolutely nothing, especially for a high profile title.  Bioware, the retailers Microsoft and Sony made more than the total profit for EA.  Thats pathetic for EA.  Totally awful.

Now keep in mind these numbers dont include ANY PC sales, and the game retailed at $60 on PC.  We wont know the Steam numbers, but they cant have been good.  Steam forums are raging about the game and you can see by it's time played on steam it's very, very low.  And nobody buys from EA store, those sales have to be almost negligable. 

So even adding PC sales EA's profit total wouldnt match retailers, MS/Sony, etc.  And the sales are only going to continue to drop, and the game is already being heavily discounted.  When the game gets discounted MS/Sony, retailers all keep their same profit, only EA and the studio takes the price drop loss.  So that is also terrible.

The game is a flop.

Thats pretty bad and now they're knocking down the price and giving Mass Effect 2 away for free just screams "desperate for sales".

[Altima Darkspells]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

...or it could mean 'we're sorry' and it's an apology outreach... we will never know.

This would mean that they would have to admit they were wrong, which they won't.

Any sort of 'apology' we would get would be mired in passive aggressive, ie "We're sorry you bunch of retards weren't ready for such a revolutionary, groundbreaking game!"

[PlumPaul93]

for some reason it went inside the quote...[quote]Altima Darkspells wrote...

[quote]XxTaLoNxX wrote...

...or it could mean 'we're sorry' and it's an apology outreach... we will never know.[/quote]

This would mean that they would have to admit they were wrong, which they won't.

Any sort of 'apology' we would get would be mired in passive aggressive, ie "We're sorry you bunch of retards weren't ready for such a revolutionary, groundbreaking game!"[/quote]

Modifié par PlumPaul82393, 04 avril 2011 - 11:29 .

[billy the squid]

Soilborn88 wrote...

Origins didn't sell as well in the first week and that's because DA2 had much better marketing.

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 I don't know about better marketing, but certainly a number of people would have bought DA 2 based on expectations of Origins were dissapointed and, in part, lead to the subsequent s**t storm and declining sales as word of mouth gets about that the game is pretty dire. 

[borscht25]

The Metalion wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Which is what I responded to in The Metalion's post - that he/she said they were going to make a loss.

That's not what (he) said...

I said that selling a million copies of a game is a success in my books.  Over a MILLION people have already bought this game.  1,000,000 copies sold and counting.  On its way to TWO million!  You may have different standards, but to me, that's a huge success.

I didn't say anything about profit/loss.  Regardless of expectations, I doubt any investors lost money in this.

Who are you, Dr. Evil??

Being impressed by *1 MILLION* of something simply because it sounds like an abstractly large number is almost sort of cutely quaint.

Remember the mega flop that was Jay Leno's primetime television show?  Well, that averaged over 5  MILLION VIEWERS!!!!!  

[Stegoceras]

billy the squid wrote...

Soilborn88 wrote...

Origins didn't sell as well in the first week and that's because DA2 had much better marketing.

.

 I don't know about better marketing, but certainly a number of people would have bought DA 2 based on expectations of Origins were dissapointed and, in part, lead to the subsequent s**t storm and declining sales as word of mouth gets about that the game is pretty dire. 

I don't think the declining sales are due to mouth to mouth of disappointed DAO players but more to the fact that (if you stripe away the unconditional lovers and haters) it's a mediocre game, it's not great and it ain't awful. It just isn't a game the average gamer would spend it's money on (if he has limited budget).

There definetly wasn't a shortage of advertisment that you can point at as the reason DA2 became less of a success than (what I presume) EA hoped. The first week you only saw reviews that completly praised the game to heaven and back and considering the reviews in the weeks after pretty much explained that EA had it's PR machine in full gear for DA2's launch.

I just hope that in the end EA thinks it will be worthwhile of producing DA3 (if DA2 really turns out ot be the flop people claim it to be) and gives bioware the means and the time to polish away the mistakes that plague DA2 into mediocrity. Cause we can all see that there is still much potential left in the Dragon Age line.

[devSin]

Stegoceras wrote...

I don't think the declining sales are due to mouth to mouth of disappointed DAO players but more to the fact that (if you stripe away the unconditional lovers and haters) it's a mediocre game, it's not great and it ain't awful. It just isn't a game the average gamer would spend it's money on (if he has limited budget).

There's no amount of mouth-to-mouth that can resuscitate this dud!