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[ZzrowGraff]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

It may scream 'desperate for sales' or it could mean 'we're sorry' and it's an apology outreach... we will never know.

If they want to apologize, Bioware could give me and all the other disgruntled customers back the $60 we wasted on Dragon Effect 2.   Why should anyone who has already been rooked care if the price is lowered?


No, it's not an apology. It's desperation for sales, i.e. a downward adjustment in the price of the product more in line with its actual value, as determined by what consumers are willing to pay.

[facialstrokage]

No this figure is flopping. You can't just compare DAO and DA2 figures and say that DA2 was just as successful. Even if DA2 sold just as much, that would still mean it failed because DA2 should have sold way more than DAO. With all the hype and marketing, a sequel such as DA2 should be selling waaaaaay more than it is selling. Look at ME. ME was successful, and ME2 was even more of a hit, selling over 2 million copies within the first week. By the same token, we would expect DA2 to surpass DAO in a similar manner. But no, it's barely keeping up with DAO.

On a related note. There's no way to say that DA3 will flop or succeed. It's really hard to say anything because they have not even made the game yet. They certainly will not get the marketing hype that DA2 received. Many people will actually not pre-order, fearing a DA2 reoccurence. However, if the game is genuinely good, that disadvantage won't matter in the long run because those who would've pre-ordered it will buy it anyways (if it's good). Let's just cross our fingers.

[Fhaileas]

facialstrokage wrote...

 Look at ME. ME was successful, and ME2 was even more of a hit, selling over 2 million copies within the first week. 

NO WAY did ME2 sell 2 million copies in the first week. Can you please provide a citation.

[facialstrokage]

Fhaileas wrote...

facialstrokage wrote...

 Look at ME. ME was successful, and ME2 was even more of a hit, selling over 2 million copies within the first week. 

NO WAY did ME2 sell 2 million copies in the first week. Can you please provide a citation.

That's what the internal affairs claimed.

www.1up.com/news/mass-effect-2-week-sales

[Canadish]

Well. This is certainly amusing.
Company abandons fan base to pander to a larger market, only to ****** off everybody leading to lower sales all around?
I'll just leave this here...

Modifié par Canadish, 05 avril 2011 - 02:53 .

[neppakyo]

facialstrokage wrote...

Fhaileas wrote...

facialstrokage wrote...

 Look at ME. ME was successful, and ME2 was even more of a hit, selling over 2 million copies within the first week. 

NO WAY did ME2 sell 2 million copies in the first week. Can you please provide a citation.

That's what the internal affairs claimed.

www.1up.com/news/mass-effect-2-week-sales

pwnd.

[Gatt9]

facialstrokage wrote...

Fhaileas wrote...

facialstrokage wrote...

 Look at ME. ME was successful, and ME2 was even more of a hit, selling over 2 million copies within the first week. 

NO WAY did ME2 sell 2 million copies in the first week. Can you please provide a citation.

That's what the internal affairs claimed.

www.1up.com/news/mass-effect-2-week-sales

EA and 1up played with words to make it sound like something it wasn't.  Notice EA doesn't use the word "Sold" there,  it uses the word "Moved".

Mass Effect 2 sold ethier 1.6 million copies or 2.5 million copies,  depending on which source you like better.  It did not sell 2 million copies in the first week.

What it did do though,  is it shipped 2 million copies in the first week.

You've really gotta watch the way they word these press releases.  EA and Bethseda both love to use synonyms for Shipped that make it sound like "Sold" the way they word it.  Bethseda tried the same thing with Fallout 3,  announcing they shipped 4.6 million copies,  but the official NPD numbers showed they only managed to sell ~2.2 million of them before dropping off NPD's charts.

So nope,  Mass Effect 2 did not sell 2 million units in the first week.

Shows that they shipped 2 million units...
http://en.wikipedia....360_video_games

Claims 2.4 million total sales...
http://gamrreview.vg.../mass-effect-2/

Truth be told,  ME2 did very badly.  It was quite possibly outsold by Mass Effect and definitely outsold by DAO and even Fable 2.  In fact,  Baldur's Gate 2 probably outsold it 10 years ago with a much smaller potential market.  Turning the game into a shooter was a massive mistake.

[Fhaileas]

neppakyo wrote...

facialstrokage wrote...

Fhaileas wrote...

facialstrokage wrote...

 Look at ME. ME was successful, and ME2 was even more of a hit, selling over 2 million copies within the first week. 

NO WAY did ME2 sell 2 million copies in the first week. Can you please provide a citation.

That's what the internal affairs claimed.

www.1up.com/news/mass-effect-2-week-sales

pwnd.

Yes you are.

@Gatt: Yep! That is exactly what I assumed. The link claims that 2 million copies were moved (as in shipped to retailers), NOT sold during the first week. Good post BTW, agree on all points. ME2 was huge misstep, and apparently considering we got an even more awful game in DA2, Bioware in their hubris aren't willing to learn from past blunders.

Modifié par Fhaileas, 05 avril 2011 - 04:31 .

[Shirosaki17]

Fhaileas wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

facialstrokage wrote...

Fhaileas wrote...

facialstrokage wrote...

 Look at ME. ME was successful, and ME2 was even more of a hit, selling over 2 million copies within the first week. 

NO WAY did ME2 sell 2 million copies in the first week. Can you please provide a citation.

That's what the internal affairs claimed.

www.1up.com/news/mass-effect-2-week-sales

pwnd.

Yes you are.

@Gatt: Yep! That is exactly what I assumed. The link claims that 2 million copies were moved (as in shipped to retailers), NOT sold during the first week. Good post BTW, agree on all points. ME2 was huge misstep, and apparently considering we got an even more awful game in DA2, Bioware in their hubris aren't willing to learn from past blunders.

haha no they're not.
DA2 is awful. I am not preordering ME3 especially after Arrival.

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 05 avril 2011 - 04:43 .

[Morroian]

Fhaileas wrote...

@Gatt: Yep! That is exactly what I assumed. The link claims that 2 million copies were moved (as in shipped to retailers), NOT sold during the first week. Good post BTW, agree on all points. ME2 was huge misstep, and apparently considering we got an even more awful game in DA2, Bioware in their hubris aren't willing to learn from past blunders.

ME2 sold 6.6m:

http://www.vg247.com...eynote-develop/

How is that a misstep?

Gatt9 wrote...

Claims 2.4 million total sales...
http://gamrreview.vg.../mass-effect-2/

Truth be told,  ME2 did very badly.  It was quite possibly outsold by Mass Effect and definitely outsold by DAO and even Fable 2.  In fact,  Baldur's Gate 2 probably outsold it 10 years ago with a much smaller potential market.  Turning the game into a shooter was a massive mistake.

That 2.4m looks to be for Xbox only.

So with sales of 6.6m ME2 outsold DAO by over 2m.

Modifié par Morroian, 05 avril 2011 - 04:57 .

[Fhaileas]

Morroian wrote...

Fhaileas wrote...

@Gatt: Yep! That is exactly what I assumed. The link claims that 2 million copies were moved (as in shipped to retailers), NOT sold during the first week. Good post BTW, agree on all points. ME2 was huge misstep, and apparently considering we got an even more awful game in DA2, Bioware in their hubris aren't willing to learn from past blunders.

ME2 sold 6.6m:

http://www.vg247.com...eynote-develop/

How is that a misstep?

Gatt9 wrote...

Claims 2.4 million total sales...
http://gamrreview.vg.../mass-effect-2/

Truth be told,  ME2 did very badly.  It was quite possibly outsold by Mass Effect and definitely outsold by DAO and even Fable 2.  In fact,  Baldur's Gate 2 probably outsold it 10 years ago with a much smaller potential market.  Turning the game into a shooter was a massive mistake.

That 2.4m looks to be for Xbox only.

So with sales of 6.6m ME2 outsold DAO by over 2m.

I am pretty certain that is either a misquote or is alluding to the number of copies moved/shipped/sold to retailers.

This is a transcript of "Electronic Arts Q4 2010 Earnings Call" (12 may 2010): seekingalpha.com/article/204598-electronic-arts-q4-2010-earnings-call-transcript . As you can see it says: "Mass Effect 2 sold through over 1.6 million package and digital units in the quarter for Europe and North America combined and launched with the Metacritic rating of 96 on the Xbox 360"

The "6.6 million" figure is probably the result:

a) of a transcription error 

these numbers refer to copies shipped, or the total copies sold between ME1 and ME2. And if so, the number of 6.6 million copies would be too high even counting the copies of Mass Effect 1.

[Morroian]

Fhaileas wrote...

Morroian wrote...

So with sales of 6.6m ME2 outsold DAO by over 2m.

I am pretty certain that is either a misquote or is alluding to the number of copies moved/shipped/sold to retailers.

This is a transcript of "Electronic Arts Q4 2010 Earnings Call" (12 may 2010): seekingalpha.com/article/204598-electronic-arts-q4-2010-earnings-call-transcript . As you can see it says: "Mass Effect 2 sold through over 1.6 million package and digital units in the quarter for Europe and North America combined and launched with the Metacritic rating of 96 on the Xbox 360"

The "6.6 million" figure is probably the result:

a) of a transcription error 

these numbers refer to copies shipped, or the total copies sold between ME1 and ME2. And if so, the number of 6.6 million copies would be too high even counting the copies of Mass Effect 1.

I don't see why, DAO sold/shipped 4.5m copies, anecdotally ME2 has been a bigger game in terms of press and attention by the gaming community. It makes sense that it was a bigger seller. Plus those figures floating around from early in 2010 were figures of initial numbers shipped, never total sales. If the figures from that other link relate to xbox sales as it appeared, total sales of 6.6m for ME2 is likely. 

[silver-crescent]

It's just plain not possible for ME2 to have sold 6.6 million copies.

The 360 version sold 2.4 million, the PS3 version sold 300k There's no way the PC version can have sold almost 4 million by itself.

And besides, we know that DA:O sold 4million+, and it's been stated it has become the best selling BW game ever.

[AlanC9]

Gatt9 wrote...
Truth be told,  ME2 did very badly.  It was quite possibly outsold by Mass Effect and definitely outsold by DAO and even Fable 2.  In fact,  Baldur's Gate 2 probably outsold it 10 years ago with a much smaller potential market.  Turning the game into a shooter was a massive mistake.

Wait a minute. ME2 was a massive mistake because it maybe didn't outsell ME1? How do you figure that? I'm not sure it even needed to outsell ME1 to be a more profitable product.

[AkiKishi]

shipped or moved is what the publisher sends to retailers, sold or sold through is what the retailer sells to the public.

[AkiKishi]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

DA2 is awful. I am not preordering ME3 especially after Arrival.

I really enjoyed ME2 , all the stuff about arrival though in the wake of DA2, I won't order ME3 unseen.

[Shirosaki17]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...

DA2 is awful. I am not preordering ME3 especially after Arrival.

I really enjoyed ME2 , all the stuff about arrival though in the wake of DA2, I won't order ME3 unseen.

I intend to finish up the story. I'll just play someone else's game. No money for Bioware from me though. Mwhahahahahhaha

[abaris]

BobSmith101 wrote...

I really enjoyed ME2 , all the stuff about arrival though in the wake of DA2, I won't order ME3 unseen.

Wise decision. In the best of cases, you're a paying Beta tester, in the worst of cases, you get the proverbial served on a silver platter. Preordering is always a gamble.

[billy the squid]

abaris wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

I really enjoyed ME2 , all the stuff about arrival though in the wake of DA2, I won't order ME3 unseen.

Wise decision. In the best of cases, you're a paying Beta tester, in the worst of cases, you get the proverbial served on a silver platter. Preordering is always a gamble.

Yep I agree, after the DA 2 debacle I will hold off on pre ordering, ME 3 (DA2 was the only game I have ever pre ordered, stupid, stupid, stupid *bangs head on desk*)
 
I won't make the same mistake, there are so many reviews and youtube videos flying around after a couple of weeks its worth waiting, so one can have a better idea of the art, graphics and gameplay rather than a 3 minute cutscene from developers and bought off critic reviews.

[Warheadz]

I too decided to quit pre-ordering completely. I'll wait for about a month after the game has been released and then pick it up cheaper.

DA2 was the second game I pre-ordered, first one being RDR.

Modifié par Warheadz, 05 avril 2011 - 10:01 .

[JoshPloof]

I'm extremely happy about the sales plummeting. After some dev banned me for a week because I hurt his feelings when I said I returned the game and couldn't be happier, I will never buy another Bioware game again, and I'll be sure to tell anyone I know not to buy another Bioware game. This company has become quite sad.

[JoshPloof]

silver-crescent wrote...

Actually I just looked at the numbers again and, not counting Japanese sales, DA2 actually sold MORE than DAO first 3 weeks. 840k vs 820k.

But anyway, keep on trolling. If making stuff up makes you feel better than I'm not gonna get in your way.

Lmao, you're pretty awesome at math, bro. 

Dragon Age origins, first three weeks sold 914,000

Dragon Age 2 first three weeks sold 843,000

I know second grade was hard, but there ARE such things as calculators.

[silver-crescent]

JoshPloof wrote...

Lmao, you're pretty awesome at math, bro. 

Dragon Age origins, first three weeks sold 914,000

Dragon Age 2 first three weeks sold 843,000

I know second grade was hard, but there ARE such things as calculators.

If you want exact calculations:

DA:O didn't sell 914k, it sold 838k = 308k (PS3) + 605k (X360) - 75k (PS3+360 Japan*)

DA2 sold 843k = 260k (PS3) + 583k (X360)

*not included because
1) DA:O was only released in Japan in January 2011 so those numbers are only counted from there
2) DA2 wasn't even released in Japan at all

You can act like the whole Japan thing is nitpicking/fanboyism or whatever if you want, but the truth if you want a fair comparison, those sales shouldn't be counted.

[jsachun]

Reasons why I choose not buy DA 2 (although it may seem quite ludicrous, but is quite simple). The misconception of rogue & warrior roles in combat. Concept that they tried to push in DA:O has gone a step further in DA 2 and further restricts customization of classes & number of deployable tactics. 

Modifié par jsachun, 05 avril 2011 - 12:09 .

[Artoz96]

silver-crescent wrote...

JoshPloof wrote...

Lmao, you're pretty awesome at math, bro. 

Dragon Age origins, first three weeks sold 914,000

Dragon Age 2 first three weeks sold 843,000

I know second grade was hard, but there ARE such things as calculators.

If you want exact calculations:

DA:O didn't sell 914k, it sold 838k = 308k (PS3) + 605k (X360) - 75k (PS3+360 Japan*)

DA2 sold 843k = 260k (PS3) + 583k (X360)

*not included because
1) DA:O was only released in Japan in January 2011 so those numbers are only counted from there
2) DA2 wasn't even released in Japan at all

You can act like the whole Japan thing is nitpicking/fanboyism or whatever if you want, but the truth if you want a fair comparison, those sales shouldn't be counted.

3 weeks DAO = 840080 and DA2 = 843000

BUT, do you know why DA2 fail? Look at what happend after 1 week.

DAO = 400934  DA2 = 287297

"if you want a fair comparison, those sales shouldn't be counted." I assume you r talking about first week sales? This sales were due to DAO not DA2.