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[silver-crescent]

Artoz96 wrote...
"if you want a fair comparison, those sales shouldn't be counted." I assume you r talking about first week sales? This sales were due to DAO not DA2.

I was refering to the Japanese sales 

[Fhaileas]

Morroian wrote...

Fhaileas wrote...

@Gatt: Yep! That is exactly what I assumed. The link claims that 2 million copies were moved (as in shipped to retailers), NOT sold during the first week. Good post BTW, agree on all points. ME2 was huge misstep, and apparently considering we got an even more awful game in DA2, Bioware in their hubris aren't willing to learn from past blunders.

ME2 sold 6.6m:

http://www.vg247.com...eynote-develop/

How is that a misstep?

Gatt9 wrote...

Claims 2.4 million total sales...
http://gamrreview.vg.../mass-effect-2/

Truth be told,  ME2 did very badly.  It was quite possibly outsold by Mass Effect and definitely outsold by DAO and even Fable 2.  In fact,  Baldur's Gate 2 probably outsold it 10 years ago with a much smaller potential market.  Turning the game into a shooter was a massive mistake.

That 2.4m looks to be for Xbox only.

So with sales of 6.6m ME2 outsold DAO by over 2m.

Errr...the random gaming website article that cites the 6.6m figure is from April 2010. The EA Q4 report is from May 2010. I'm more prone to believe EA's internal figures thankyouverymuch. Here's the Wall Street Journal (a highly reputable source) article which also mentions the 1.6m in sales:

online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704250104575238681063997848.html

As Gatt9 correctly stated, DA:O was/is Bioware's highest selling title to date.

[Perles75]

do you really think they are such bad numbers? the decrease of DA2 is more evident but there's not such a huge difference with respect to DAO. At least, they do NOT justify an eventual 180° change of direction for an eventual DA3. However, it doesn't seem that this new course attracts more customers, so I'm counting on this to hope for a different DA3.

I think more stable comparison could be made in a couple of months, to see how the two games got stabilised in time.

By the way, the PC sales are not indicated... I'd be curious to see them.

[Flunkorg]

Doesn't really look that much different to me compared to origins. Also, wheres the PC sells figures?

[silver-crescent]

DA:O PC sales are a mystery lol

DA2 PC sales - 207k in the first 3 weeks (retail) + another mystery (digital)

[Klimy]

silver-crescent wrote...

DA:O PC sales are a mystery lol

DA2 PC sales - 207k in the first 3 weeks (retail) + another mystery (digital)

+ another mystery (torrents)  

But even though numbers are dropping very fast, it still generated a pile of money that other game releases can only dream of. And based on the fact (that was already mentioned here) that game was done in such a short timeframe, thus man-hour costs are not that high. Thus final profits of DA2 can actually be higher that DA:O. (But who am I to make such astimations?)

Problem is that the game is released and everyone knows what misstakes were made [or why all media were mysticly giving out high scores to unfinished product]. And this is probably a blow to Biowares flawless career in gaming industry, because now thier games will not be expected to be perfect before people saw even a demo.

Not much can be done here (unless we all get amnesia all of a sudden), let's just take it as it comes. Bioware not complete idiots, and probably understand what they did wrong. Now, when we will get the ending of DA2, that is a question...

[Vice-Admiral von Titsling]

Now, when we will get the ending of DA2, that is a question...

That'll be $25.00 please.

[Artoz96]

I'm willing to bet that the total sales did not reach 2 million. And that means that DA will lose nearly half of theirs fans.

[Sakanade]

Artoz96 wrote...

I'm willing to bet that the total sales did not reach 2 million. And that means that DA will lose nearly half of theirs fans.

good

[1000questions]

Well, DA2 is a game is like a patient who even after being revived in Intensive Care Unit from death bed can not come out of comma. Therefore I seriously think, EA/Bioware lets DA2 Rest In Peace.

R.I.P --> DA2.

[Davasar]

EA should just let another franchise die...thus putting DA out of its misery.

I mean heck EA, why ruin a perfect kill record...

[Warheadz]

1000questions wrote...

Well, DA2 is a game is like a patient who even after being revived in Intensive Care Unit from death bed can not come out of comma. Therefore I seriously think, EA/Bioware lets DA2 Rest In Peace.

R.I.P --> DA2.

 I somewhat agree, at least that was my DA2 experience. But you got the EA part wrong. Ea doesnt let things rest in peace, EA rips things apart and leaves them to Rot In Pieces.

Seriously, they are evil.

[dfstone]

I don't see much of a difference between DA:O and DA2 sales.

[Warheadz]

dfstone wrote...

I don't see much of a difference between DA:O and DA2 sales.

You realize that's a bad thing for a sequel, right?

[dfstone]

Warheadz wrote...

dfstone wrote...

I don't see much of a difference between DA:O and DA2 sales.

You realize that's a bad thing for a sequel, right?

No it doesn't. 

[silver-crescent]

Well, according to Chris Priestly, DA2 actually passed the 1 million mark in less than 2 weeks, so the VGChartz numbers are probably a bit off.

Either that or the PC digital sales are more significative than expected.

http://social.biowar...1/index/6945135

[captain.subtle]

dfstone wrote...

Warheadz wrote...

dfstone wrote...

I don't see much of a difference between DA:O and DA2 sales.

You realize that's a bad thing for a sequel, right?

No it doesn't. 

perhaps you meant, "I don't" ? 

[dfstone]

captain.subtle wrote...

perhaps you meant, "I don't" ? 

Uh no.  Apparently not many people on here have much experience in business.  Your gross sales don't mean anything, its your net return that is vital.  As long as EA is making money off the franchise then they will keep expanding it. 

[Marionetten]

silver-crescent wrote...

Well, according to Chris Priestly, DA2 actually passed the 1 million mark in less than 2 weeks, so the VGChartz numbers are probably a bit off.

Either that or the PC digital sales are more significative than expected.

http://social.biowar...1/index/6945135

Obvious damage control. If Dragon Age II was selling as well as EA and BioWare would have you believe it would not be discounted on major retail sites like amazon.co.uk and come bundled with Mass Effect 2.

BioWare is tooting its own horn. Again.

[captain.subtle]

dfstone wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

perhaps you meant, "I don't" ? 

Uh no.  Apparently not many people on here have much experience in business.  Your gross sales don't mean anything, its your net return that is vital.  As long as EA is making money off the franchise then they will keep expanding it. 

It seems you have even less experience than them. 

In corporations its the 'meeting the projections ' that is more important. Stock value (which is MORE THAN THE NET PROFIT, WAY MORE) is tied to this kind of success. 

[dfstone]

captain.subtle wrote...
It seems you have even less experience than them. 

In corporations its the 'meeting the projections ' that is more important. Stock value (which is MORE THAN THE NET PROFIT, WAY MORE) is tied to this kind of success. 

LMAO.  Where did you go to business school?  I'd ask for a refund if I were you.

[Fhaileas]

Marionetten wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Well, according to Chris Priestly, DA2 actually passed the 1 million mark in less than 2 weeks, so the VGChartz numbers are probably a bit off.

Either that or the PC digital sales are more significative than expected.

http://social.biowar...1/index/6945135

Obvious damage control. If Dragon Age II was selling as well as EA and BioWare would have you believe it would not be discounted on major retail sites like amazon.co.uk and come bundled with Mass Effect 2.

BioWare is tooting its own horn. Again.

Also, a ploy to perhaps artificially normalize DA2 prices in order to increase demand for a now "value added" product.

This whole "loyalty reward" scheme reeks of desperation. Of course they couldn't  simply give away ME2 to new DA2 buyers without invoking the wrath of their existing loyalists who no doubt would already have both games.

[Volourn]

"You realize that's a bad thing for a sequel, right?"

Actually, sequels tend to sell less b/c those who hate the original tend to not bother with the sequel.

Anyways, people vgchartz to prove anything are silly because it's just random made up numebrs that are guesses not based on fact.

Plus, as numbers go, because of that, they can be spinned in any way to make them useless. Only BIO/EA and EA' stockholders will know the true facts.


"Obvious damage control. If Dragon Age II was selling as well as EA and BioWare would have you believe it would not be discounted on major retail sites like amazon.co.uk and come bundled with Mass Effect 2.

BioWare is tooting its own horn. Again."

Obvious butthurt hater who is crying that he's not neccessarily right. You obviously don't know hwo these things works. Deals are made often. DA1, btw, had deals offered for it when it first came out as well. It happens quite a lot for popualr new releases to get people into the strore and get them to buy less popular products.

Learn how marketing works.

[Frybread76]

dfstone wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

perhaps you meant, "I don't" ? 

Uh no.  Apparently not many people on here have much experience in business.  Your gross sales don't mean anything, its your net return that is vital.  As long as EA is making money off the franchise then they will keep expanding it. 

You do realize that half or more than half of the sales took place in the first week, which means a lot of people were buying DA2 based off DA:O.  Now that people know what DA2 is, expect sales to plummet and not equal DA:O in the long run.

[silver-crescent]

Marionetten wrote...

Obvious damage control. If Dragon Age II was selling as well as EA and BioWare would have you believe it would not be discounted on major retail sites like amazon.co.uk and come bundled with Mass Effect 2.

BioWare is tooting its own horn. Again.

You're missing the point. It's not about DA2 selling well on 4/5, it's about it having passed the 1 million mark earlier than what the vgchartz numbers seem to indicate.

Anyway, a quick look at a handful of retailers shows that DA2 currently is selling for the same price as Crysis 2, another EA game which just came out less than 2 weeks ago, so I wouldn't worry too much.

_

Regardless, it's obvious that the free ME2 thing is a way to boost sales, but is that even a bad thing?
1) people get a free game
2) DA2 gets a sales boost
3) ME2 DLCs get a sales boost
4) More people with ME2 = ME3 might get a sales boost as well

Everyone wins 

Modifié par silver-crescent, 05 avril 2011 - 05:45 .